Deal between Labour and Lib Dems?

[free spirit]

And yet you still don't have to prop up a tory govt.

No. You couldn't do a deal with Labour. That doesn't mean you have to do a deal with the Tories.

go on then, explain how it doesn't in a way that doesn't result in the lib dems basically being seen to have forced a second election at which we'd get hammered for it, and the tories would get in anyway without needing any support from us.

whether we're inside or outside the tory government we'd still have to prop it up one way or another.

I really don't see any good way out of this now.

 

[fakeplasticgirl]

What?

 

[danny la rouge]

I really don't see any good way out of this now.

You got yourselves into the position. Nobody made you.

 

[butchersapron]

go on then, explain how it doesn't in a way that doesn't result in the lib dems basically being seen to have forced a second election at which we'd get hammered for it, and the tories would get in anyway without needing any support from us.

whether we're inside or outside the tory government we'd still have to prop it up one way or another.

I really don't see any good way out of this now.

And there we have it - the 'national interest' dissolves into lib-dem party interest.

Why can't you get that you don't have to prop up the tory govt from inside or out? There's simply no need? What do you thin the lib-dems would get hammered at a 2nd election? Why couldn't labour and lib-dem sway 30 seats each? That's easily doable. Piecee of piss.The reason they won't is that the lib-dem leadership today are ideologically committed to the tories.

Some of you are operating on maps from the 80s and 90s that are severely out of date and you've got utterly lost as a result.

 

[cesare]

What?

I thought you were doing a deliberate funny ... y'know, the "I agree with Nick" meme.

 

[past caring]

I really don't see any good way out of this now.

You could make a start by getting rid of Clegg.

(Quite how anyone can take seriously someone named after one of the most verminous forms of insect life known to man is beyond me, but there we go)

 

[fakeplasticgirl]

I was, but it's also coincidentally what I really think!

 

[little_legs]

bbc 4 is also reporting that brown might resign this evening.

question: who takes over, harman?

 

[little_legs]

You could make a start by getting rid of Clegg.

(Quite how anyone can take seriously someone named after one of the most verminous forms of insect life known to man is beyond me, but there we go)

that's funny!

i have a feeling he will not be in his position for too long. power seeking/hungry fucker. will the pushed out before he knows it.

 

[danny la rouge]

bbc 4 is reporting that brown might resign this evening.

question: who takes over, harman?

If he resigns as party leader with immediate effect, then his deputy, Harman, becomes acting leader.

 

[little_legs]

If he resigns as party leader with immediate effect, then his deputy, Harman, becomes acting leader.

which might also imply that she will be doing the PMQs until the new leader is elected, she is pretty good at tory bashing. i enjoy her screaming sessions in the HoC. again, this is panning out like a smart move by labour.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

There was talk a few months ago of the NDP and the Liberals here in Canada, voting down the govt on some legislation, then forming a coalition govt. We have the same scenario here as you do, ie, a minority conservative government.

They didn't do it, because there was strong feeling in the country against the two parties that lost the election, banding together to form a government. They had no mandate from the voters to do so.

 

[TAE]

The whole point of FPTP is that you vote for a specific candidate.

Which the parties dictate to me.

Provided people vote on the individuals.

I don't think they do, mostly. Granted, they might vote against individuals from time to time, but surely they normally just look for the Tory/Labour/LibDem candidate and tick whichever box represents their chosen party. Otherwise we'd have far more independent candidates, wouldn't we?

 

[TAE]

According to that, AV would make virtually no difference to FPTP.

 

[Cobbles]

Lots of people here have said that Lab/Lib deal is not possible.

This was posted on another forum I frequent:



STV = single transferable vote.

Is this viable?

Clearly the Lib Dems were happy to climb into bed with anything less repulsive than NuLabor.

 

[claphamboy]

According to that, AV would make virtually no difference to FPTP.

I believe that is the plan.

 

[little_legs]

Clearly the Lib Dems were happy to climb into bed with anything less repulsive than NuLabor.

i am glad you have been able to articulate that much. now do me a favour, fuck off my thread!

 

[Cobbles]

which might also imply that she will be doing the PMQs until the new leader is elected, she is pretty good at tory bashing. i enjoy her screaming sessions in the HoC. again, this is panning out like a smart move by labour.

Nah, the more that the shrill PC ratbag is exposed, the more that folk will be reminded of the bad old days under Mandy.

 

[TAE]

I believe that is the plan.

Agreed. Just a shame Clegg went for it.

 

[Quartz]

Under AV Labour would have lost Luton South.