Deal between Labour and Lib Dems?

[danny la rouge]

So if he can and has resigned he is no longer PM, which is what I said they are reporting

They're wrong. Really.

What happens is that the incumbent concedes defeat. Then the leader of the party that can form a government goes to the Queen. She asks him if he can form a government. He says yes. She appoints him PM. Until she does that, the previous incumbent is still PM.

If, on the other hand, Brown resigns, then his deputy becomes acting PM, before going to the Queen to be appointed PM as swiftly as possible.

If Brown does that, that would be pretty stupid, given that that person will then need to concede to Cameron, and go through step one above.

 

[danny la rouge]

They say as PM.

They mean he has conceded.

 

[cesare]

There's a meeting tonight of peers and members at 7.30

 

[1%er]

They're wrong. Really.

What happens is that the incumbent concedes defeat. Then the leader of the party that can form a government goes to the Queen. She asks him if he can form a government. He says yes. She appoints him PM. Until she does that, the previous incumbent is still PM.

If, on the other hand, Brown resigns, then his deputy becomes acting PM, before going to the Queen to be appointed PM as swiftly as possible.

If Brown does that, that would be pretty stupid, given that that person will then need to concede to Cameron, and go through step one above.

it may be slack reporting, the reporter who broke the story is on now, he says, Labour can't do a deal with the Libdems so he will announce later tonight he is standing down as PM.
That was reported as "Browne has resigned forthwith"

 

[Prince Rhyus]

BBC is saying a Lib-Lab deal has crashed and burned...

 

[1%er]

BBC is saying a Lib-Lab deal has crashed and burned...

LBC reporting a deal has been done with Tory's and their MP have been told to be ready for a meeting at 8pm tonight

 

[danny la rouge]

it may be slack reporting, the reporter who broke the story is on now, he says, Labour can't do a deal with the Libdems so he will announce later tonight he is standing down as PM.
That was reported as "Browne has resigned forthwith"

They should know better. It's a pretty poor show.

 

[danny la rouge]

BBC is saying a Lib-Lab deal has crashed and burned...

Yes, we know.

 

[free spirit]

They could let the Tories got it alone, then make life hard for them.

but to let the tories go it alone they at least have to agree not to oppose them in the queens speech.

but yes, they could do that, but could easily risk the tories calling a snap election if they did, and potentially ending up with an absolute majority at the lib dems expense if it looked like they'd been playing silly buggers.

as the lib dems entire PR thing rests on their argument that coalition governments can work, realistically they're either going to have to hammer out some sort of non-agression pact in exchange for some concessions, or actually go into coalition also in exchange for whatever concessions they can now get.

If labour have now pulled the rug from under them, then the lib dem negotiating position with the tories is now much weaker than yesterday, which seems to have been a deliberate tactic from labour I reckon.

 

[1%er]

They should know better. It's a pretty poor show.

It was James Whale re-reporting, they have now cleared it up He said "I did say it is what we are being told"

 

[free spirit]

no they don't

they do unless they're going to force us into an immediate new election at which the chances are the lib dems would get annialated for not being able to deliver a coalition government with one party or the other.

 

[little_legs]

There's a meeting tonight of peers and members at 7.30

you mean the lib dems?

doubt there will be anyone saying anything against the deal. pathetic mother chuckers. i thought llib dems were crazy. now i hate them.

 

[cesare]

you mean the lib dems?

doubt there will be anyone saying anything against the deal. pathetic mother chuckers. i thought llib dems were crazy. now i hate them.

Yep:

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There will be a joint meeting of the Liberal Democrat parliamentary party and ruling federal executive at 1930 BST tonight. According to the Lib Dem rule book, at least three-quarters of the members of both bodies must give Nick Clegg their backing before he can agree to a deal with the Tories.

 

[danny la rouge]

If labour have now pulled the rug from under them, then the lib dem negotiating position with the tories is now much weaker than yesterday, which seems to have been a deliberate tactic from labour I reckon.

If a deal can't be done, then Brown had to go home and pack. What would you suggest they do, in order to smooth the way for the delicate LibDems?

 

[danny la rouge]

It was James Whale re-reporting

Then the gentleman is an idiot, and should never have been given a live current affairs microphone.

 

[free spirit]

If a deal can't be done, then Brown had to go home and pack. What would you suggest they do, in order to smooth the way for the delicate LibDems?

I expected them to put some effort into making this deal happen in the first place, but I guess once it was clear there was too much dissension in the labour ranks for it to work, I'd expect nothing less than for labour to do whatever it could to undermine cleggs position, in effect giving the tories lots more rope to hang the lib dems with.

 

[danny la rouge]

I expected them to put some effort into making this deal happen in the first place, but I guess once it was clear there was too much dissension in the labour ranks for it to work, I'd expect nothing less than for labour to do whatever it could to undermine cleggs position, in effect giving the tories lots more rope to hang the lib dems with.

But until last night, there was no expectation of a deal with Labour. So the LibDems can't hang this on Labour.

 

[butchersapron]

Then the gentleman is an idiot, and should never have been given a live current affairs microphone.

Are you unaware of the gentleman's previous work?

 

[stupid kid]

Are you unaware of the gentleman's previous work?

Getting sacked from TalkSport must take some doing.

 

[danny la rouge]

Are you unaware of the gentleman's previous work?

Is he the same gentleman who, perhaps 20 years ago now, had a late night TV show?

 

[free spirit]

But until last night, there was no expectation of a deal with Labour. So the LibDems can't hang this on Labour.

why not?

labour walked away leaving us no option after multiple labour mp's basically fucked any prospect of a deal that would have relied upon solid support from all labour and lib dem MP's to get anything done.

ok, the electorate, and electoral system are also to blame for leaving it on such a knife edge that even a handful of labour rebels could scupper any deal, and cleggs to blame for running a shit last 10 days of the election campaign, as well as possibly overplaying his hand in the negotiations, but labour could have done a deal if they'd wanted to.

 

[butchersapron]

Is he the same gentleman who, perhaps 20 years ago now, had a late night TV show?

One and the same.

 

[butchersapron]

why not?

labour walked away leaving us no option after multiple labour mp's basically fucked any prospect of a deal that would have relied upon solid support from all labour and lib dem MP's to get anything done.

ok, the electorate, and electoral system are also to blame for leaving it on such a knife edge that even a handful of labour rebels could scupper any deal, and cleggs to blame for running a shit last 10 days of the election campaign, as well as possibly overplaying his hand in the negotiations, but labour could have done a deal if they'd wanted to.

And yet you still don't have to prop up a tory govt.

 

[danny la rouge]

One and the same.

In the intervening period he's been misleading radio listeners in London, then, has he?

 

[danny la rouge]

why not?

labour walked away leaving us no option after multiple labour mp's basically fucked any prospect of a deal that would have relied upon solid support from all labour and lib dem MP's to get anything done.

ok, the electorate, and electoral system are also to blame for leaving it on such a knife edge that even a handful of labour rebels could scupper any deal, and cleggs to blame for running a shit last 10 days of the election campaign, as well as possibly overplaying his hand in the negotiations, but labour could have done a deal if they'd wanted to.

No. You couldn't do a deal with Labour. That doesn't mean you have to do a deal with the Tories.

 

[1%er]

It came from here: http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/

 

[danny la rouge]

It came from here: http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/

Well, the London Standard employs idiots, too.

 

[fakeplasticgirl]

i agree with free spirit on these threads

 

[1%er]

Well, the London Standard employs idiots, too.

I thought the Evening Standard closed years ago

 

[cesare]

i agree with free spirit on these threads