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Callie said:
Yep sorry Maggot

If Purley isn't in Croydon....where does Croydon end and begin?

Granted saying east Croydon in Croydon sounds a bit daft but Addiscombe is in Croydon, Broad Green is in Croydon, Sanderstead is in Croydon and mother flipping PURLEY IS IN CROYDON.

Purley probably likes to think it isn't though.
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TruXta said:
I wasn't talking about the borough, I meant the town. Up thread it was said Purley was in Croydon, which is fine if you're on about the borough.
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Truxta has hit the nail on the head here. There is a difference between being in Croydon and being in the Borough of Croydon. If you say something is in Croydon, it means it's in the town of Croydon (IMO), so Broad Green is in Croydon, but Sanderstead and Purley aren't.

It doesn't happen in other boroughs: People don't say Eltham is in Greenwich, or Earls Court is in Kensington and Chelsea do they?
 
Maggot said:
Truxta has hit the nail on the head here. There is a difference between being in Croydon and being in the Borough of Croydon. If you say something is in Croydon, it means it's in the town of Croydon (IMO), so Broad Green is in Croydon, but Sanderstead and Purley aren't.

It doesn't happen in other boroughs: People don't say Eltham is in Greenwich, or Earls Court is in Kensington and Chelsea do they?
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There is no town of Croydon.

And this thread is about Croydon. So, perhaps not the best place to pick a fight as to what is in Croydon.

:D

And yes, they do :D
 
Guineveretoo said:
There is no town of Croydon.
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:D

Really, so how do you explain this?
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Maggot said:
:D

Really, so how do you explain this?
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The same way that we have to explain all the other former town halls which are now in the London Borough of Croydon. That particular one happens to house (some of) the Croydon Borough Council offices. There is no town council, although there used to be.

But you know what? I really can't be bothered with yet another fucking argument about what is in Croydon and what is not in Croydon, and particularly on a thread about Croydon.

So, I am zoning out of this one.
 
You and maggot appear to be in agreement that there is a place...space...area within the borough of Croydon that is recognised as Croydon when referring to Croydon..Purley is not in it, Broad Green is. Norwood Junction is not in it presumably East, West and South are in.

It might prove you're talking nonsense :p
 
I can't draw maps, but the town of croydon is made up from part of CR0 and part of CR2. Definitely not CR7, SE25 CR8 or CR5!
 
Callie said:
You and maggot appear to be in agreement that there is a place...space...area within the borough of Croydon that is recognised as Croydon when referring to Croydon..Purley is not in it, Broad Green is. Norwood Junction is not in it presumably East, West and South are in.

It might prove you're talking nonsense :p
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There's been a town called Croydon for a good long time now. I don't see why the current administrative boundaries come into it at all.
 
"town
taʊn/
noun

a built-up area with a name, defined boundaries, and local government, that is larger than a village and generally smaller than a city."
 
Guineveretoo said:
defined boundaries
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that's kinda difficult in much of greater london - a few centuries ago, you could see the gaps between each settlement - you can't now.

and whose boundaries?

to a large extent, borough boundaries (even of London boroughs) owe something to the manors carved up after the norman conquest and hence the church parishes (although there has been tinkering at the edges occasionally since, in particular the creation of Greater London and the 1965 London Boroughs which - in most cases - meant that two or more boroughs became one new London Borough)

postcode boundaries and dialling code areas were as much a matter of operational convenience to the post office and don't neatly match borough boundaries

and there are housing developments that have been built over the last century that don't neatly fit within either existing boundary - I can't immediately think of one round Croydon, but the LCC's Downham estate was (and remains) partly within Lewisham borough (which was inside the LCC) and partly within Bromley borough (which wasn't)
 
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From wikipedia:

Croydon is a large town in south London, England, the principal settlement of the London Borough of Croydon. It is located 9.5 miles (15.3 km) south of Charing Cross. It is one of the largest commercial districts outside of Central London, bearing one of the largest shopping districts and a developed night-time economy. It is identified in theLondon Plan as one of 11 metropolitan centres in Greater London.[2] It has a population of 52,104 in the 2011 census, comprising the Addiscombe, Broad Green and Fairfield wards.
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personally speaking I would say Croydon is the middle bit with shops and concrete.

When I go up Duppas Hill from Waddon I think of myself as being in Croydon.
Same as coming up the A23 round about the bus garage.
Coming up Cherry Orchard Road from Addiscombe

etc. the rest is the 'Borough of'

same as Sutton, Kingston etc.

I take Callie point though if we drew it on a map we would probably come up with something different, as Croydon is as much a state of mind mmmaaannn
 
Excellent mapping skills :cool: the breadth is a bit off though, not sure anyone needs to include Hounslow. In anything. Ever.
 
Are there any parks in Croydon not looked after by a 'friends of' group? I'm sure there are loads actually but is this a fairly new phenomenon because councils don't want to invest? Is it just Croydon? Probably not. Maybe we should club together and take over a park?
 
Callie said:
Are there any parks in Croydon not looked after by a 'friends of' group? I'm sure there are loads actually but is this a fairly new phenomenon because councils don't want to invest? Is it just Croydon? Probably not. Maybe we should club together and take over a park?
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Friends groups appear to be the only way to get the council to do anything because they have so little money that they can't afford to pay people to do the planting, for example, even though they can afford to buy the bulbs.

Friends groups also raise money and get donations for planting and fixing stuff.

I am sure there are plenty still waiting to be loved, although I guess that the prettiest ones have all been taken :D
 
My garden is in Croydon (although possibly not in Croydon, Croydon) and in need of friends. It is not a park, but I would be more than happy for anyone to come and do some planting/weeding/litter collection/pond maintenance for me, in exchange for which you can sit on my patio furniture or lawn :D

(worth a try, I thought)
 
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