editor
hiraethified
Wow. Spoken like a true boss, full of disdain for their low paid staff. I know plenty of honest bar staff.
Crown and Anchor pub, Brixton Road, Brixton goes card-only
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NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
Unless the credit and debit card companies start offering free or reduced-rate services to small businesses, which often have an additional charge for card payments below a certain amount, then I'm not too worried about masses of people without a credit or debit card being excluded from their usual commerce venues. Apparently there are only two pubs in the entire country that only accept cards.
From my experience, where a lack of a proper debit card really hurts is that it limits your options in terms of where you can withdraw your money, how you can pay for things online, and paying for goods and services that aren't typically found on the local high street. Costs are higher when you have to resort the expensive and/or crappy selections from brick-and-mortar establishments.
From my experience, where a lack of a proper debit card really hurts is that it limits your options in terms of where you can withdraw your money, how you can pay for things online, and paying for goods and services that aren't typically found on the local high street. Costs are higher when you have to resort the expensive and/or crappy selections from brick-and-mortar establishments.
cuppa tee
Well-Known Member
It would cut down on a lot of potential dishonesty if we did away with the risky human element altogether and just had robotic dispensers.....
editor
hiraethified
Think of the EXTRA PROFITS!
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
The owner of the Crown has 3 others pubs in London which only take cards , I doubt he's the only Landlord in the country to have done this .
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
Fair enough, but to be honest it sounds like the kind of thing that doesn't happen much outside London. In fact I would expect the opposite to be the case; one of my local pubs takes cash only.
Mr Retro
Beware hedgehogs
I think people like to interact with a real person behind the bar. Once that person isn’t suffering from sticky finger syndrome everybody can be happy
Which editor feels they will be honour bound to refuse, as per up thread.
I suspect they will probably take your cash after all.
Alex
Scab barmen ?
editor
hiraethified
So the posters they put up around the pub and the text they have in BOLD AND IN CAPS on their website as just for show? Makes you wonder why they bothered.
editor
hiraethified
And there you go again, suggesting that bar staff are always stealing. How come you never ever mention the landlords? There's plenty of them who have had their fat fingers in the till, and they tend to steal a shitload more.I think people like to interact with a real person behind the bar. Once that person isn’t suffering from sticky finger syndrome everybody can be happy
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Mr Retro
Beware hedgehogs
Bar Owner: As you are low paid please feel free to take a little extra from the till.
Plain People of Urban 75: What a good boss.
Bar Owner: I am not making enough money to pay suppliers and now I must close down.
Plain People of Urban 75: Another bar closure. Yuppies are to blame.
Plain People of Urban 75: What a good boss.
Bar Owner: I am not making enough money to pay suppliers and now I must close down.
Plain People of Urban 75: Another bar closure. Yuppies are to blame.
editor
hiraethified
I've never suggested that bar staff should be allowed to take a penny from the till so I've no idea why you're posting up this pile of manufactured bullshit in response to my post. Who the fuck are the "Plain People of Urban75," anyway? Name names, please.
But do tell us about the filthy stealing bar staff again.
cuppa tee
Well-Known Member
Apologies for not making it obvious I was exaggerating to make a point....I think people like to interact with a real person behind the bar. Once that person isn’t suffering from sticky finger syndrome everybody can be happy
Nonetheless there is a serious point here because technology is going to make
a lot of jobs obsolete in the not too distant future, and
that could be quite bad for a big chunk of humankind
Given the way peeps are swallowing the card only arguments I doubt there will be much opposition
editor
hiraethified
Well some people here are making their opposition to card-only policies very strongly indeed!
But you're right - the total lack of meaningful opposition and collective shrugging of shoulders is quite depressing to witness on a board that has always been left leaning.
I asked if anyone would post up their unreserved condemnation of this pub's card-only policy and only got excuses, distracting tosh and quibbles in return.
friendofdorothy
Solidarity against neoliberalism!
I'm horrified to hear they don't take cash, makes me terribly old fashioned - though I find the arguments above is tedious.
A lot of people don't have bank accounts / can't open bank accounts - just checked in 2016 it was 1.6million people, it's financial exclusion. Now it's exclusion from the local pub too, which is terrible shame for some already excluded people.
I used to quite like the crown and anchor because of the real beer, though its a bit of a trek for me. I'm not sure how I feel about the place now - it puts me off going there.
A lot of people don't have bank accounts / can't open bank accounts - just checked in 2016 it was 1.6million people, it's financial exclusion. Now it's exclusion from the local pub too, which is terrible shame for some already excluded people.
I used to quite like the crown and anchor because of the real beer, though its a bit of a trek for me. I'm not sure how I feel about the place now - it puts me off going there.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
You don't need a bank account to have a contactless card, as I understand it. You can get pay-as-you-go type cards. Can't say I'll mourn the disappearance of cash (is it inevitable? I dont know) any more than I did cheques.
friendofdorothy
Solidarity against neoliberalism!
cheques haven't entirely disappeared - as there are still a lot of older / blind / disabled people who are unable to use on line banking / cards, who still use cheques.
Contactless cards do present problems for some blind / disabled people too - so the pub is excluding them too, which may not be legal under the equality act.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
There will of course always be a transition period where some people do not feel willing or able to move to new technologies, which is fair enough, and their needs should be considered, but in the longer term I see no reason for a cashless system to be intrinsically less convenient for those with disabilities including visual impairments.
friendofdorothy
Solidarity against neoliberalism!
no reason at all - but at the moment it excludes some older, disabled and poorer people.
I prefer pubs that are inclusive not exclusive.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Well, in the list of things that can exclude older/disabled/poorer people from pubs, I don't see card payment as a big one.
If we found ourselves in the situation where there were very few pubs where you could pay in cash, then it would be a bigger deal. I think that pubs that tend to serve the demographic who want to pay in cash will continue to accept cash for some time.
friendofdorothy
Solidarity against neoliberalism!
well there's also steps/ access problems and the loos being really wheelchair accessible and not stacked with unused furniture. And bloody awful loud music.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
In whose interests are these new technologies for?
So far from this thread its combination of the state and business?
Not consumers?
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Pay as you go cards are limited.
I know person who has one. He can use it to get payments for work. But has limited use for it as card. He can at very limited places withdraw money. But that is it.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Spoken like a true business man.
You are obnoxious right winger presenting yourself as fair minded.
Hypocrite.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Good point. The advocates of employer/ State imposition of cashless society as stopping fraud don't see this.
Someone with sight impairment will not be able to see easily money put into card transaction.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
So in your opinion as most places accept cash this is not an issue.
Looking at China for example which I have posted up about.
Its technolicy possible to give people social credit scores now. In China its leap frogged cash. Many use cashless payments.
Chinese government have wised up on on that and seen its possible way to keep tabs on citizens.
Are you happy with that?
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Contactless cards make my life easier. Cash is a pain. I realise not everyone will feel the same.
I would probably prefer in the longer term to retain some method of paying for things without it being immediately traceable. Cash can serve that purpose now. So, I think can payment cards that don't require an account or sign-up. I can see why some people might be uncomfortable with losing the cash option.
