SpamMisery
Pretty comfortable here right under your skin
Hadn't realised it was such a growing trend globally, nor that C&A's decision was, in part, driven by being burgled so often
Crown and Anchor pub, Brixton Road, Brixton goes card-only
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cuppa tee
Well-Known Member
Gotta say that surprised me too as I pass by on an almost daily basis and I have never seen any sign of forced entry or any attempts to beef up security.
E2a.....just had a look at the crime map for ingleton street and the area does appear to be a bit of a hotspot for crimes, including burglary, but also a scary amount of violence and sexual assault.
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Which is odd because it’s only about 5 meters long, is the address of the park ingleton street ?
cuppa tee
Well-Known Member
I am guessing it's for the area in general
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hiraethified
It's a piss weak excuse. Making it card only just makes his job shitloads easier.
Loads of pubs have proper safes for keeping their money safe at night (which according to him wasn't that much anyway). Besides, burglars are far more likely to try and steal stock, DJ gear, TVs etc.
What a bastard.
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
There is a new pop up craft beer place in South Norwood which is lovely. It was opened in a derelict shop.
Within weeks it had been broken into - the shop windows were smashed.
Now, they are card only. And I neither blame them, and neither did it bother me when it happened (it was a few weeks ago).
Although that is partly because it is a new popup bar, without any locals or anything, and most of the people who go there are Young, and likely to have cards....
Anyway, as you were
ETA - here it is, if anyone is interested. Craft Beer Cabin, South Norwood
Within weeks it had been broken into - the shop windows were smashed.
Now, they are card only. And I neither blame them, and neither did it bother me when it happened (it was a few weeks ago).
Although that is partly because it is a new popup bar, without any locals or anything, and most of the people who go there are Young, and likely to have cards....
Anyway, as you were
ETA - here it is, if anyone is interested. Craft Beer Cabin, South Norwood
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hiraethified
Somewhat different to a long established traditional pub though.There is a new pop up craft beer place in South Norwood which is lovely. It was opened in a derelict shop.
Within weeks it had been broken into - the shop windows were smashed.
Now, they are card only. And I neither blame them, and neither did it bother me when it happened (it was a few weeks ago).
Although that is partly because it is a new popup bar, without any locals or anything, and most of the people who go there are Young, and likely to have cards....
Anyway, as you were
ETA - here it is, if anyone is interested. Craft Beer Cabin, South Norwood
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hiraethified
Yeah - fuck those locals without credit cards who had supported the business. They can fucking do one now, the wankers.
Those useless twats should know that we're living in the digital age - so fuck 'em - and no one's ever going to break into a pub full of booze and expensive gear now that there's no cash about. And that's a Tobyjug fact.
Thimble Queen
Called away to another place
Cashless pubs are a stupid idea. How am I supposed to buy a pint two days before payday when all I've got left is the change behind the sofa?
I went to the opticians recently and it was cashless there too. They looked at me like a creature, an old one at that, from another planet when I pulled the crumpled notes from my purse
I went to the opticians recently and it was cashless there too. They looked at me like a creature, an old one at that, from another planet when I pulled the crumpled notes from my purse
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
I know - that is why I made the point about not having any locals.
But I thought it was relevant because there were suggestions that it had happened at the Crown and Anchor as a result of break ins, which is why it happened at the Craft Beer Cabin.
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hiraethified
So what's your suggestion in the context of this particular thread and the customers who have now been excluded?
Good point only I didn’t say any of those things, and your point that it’s unreasonable to do something because it is “shitloads easier” is comical.
Most people frequently do things because they are “shitloads easier”
Alex
Mr Retro
Beware hedgehogs
Not sure what those who have been excluded from this particular pub at this particular time can do to be honest. What’s your suggestion?
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hiraethified
I have no suggestion because there's very little they can do. They've been given a big 'fuck off' by the landlord so if it was me, I'd go somewhere else.
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hiraethified
It's like a double whammy to keep out the poorest locals: hike the prices up and even if they can still just about afford it, then make it impossible for them to pay - and if the selfish attitudes shown by the yup/Tory posters here are anything to go by, there'll be no one standing up for them either.
Cold Harbour
Active Member
I operate a cash-based economy day to day, use my bank account for salary and direct debits and take a weekly cash 'allowance' out. If I run out of cash I go home, I don't get paid enough to be in debt. I'm far from the only person I know who still pays with cash in supermarkets, pubs etc. I'm a middle aged professional with a PhD, and skint.
If that works for you then great.
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
I was sacked from the Hope and Anchor in Acre Lane in (1979) because there was an alleged £5 deficiency on the till - and the landlord proposed "fining" each bar steward £1.67 (ie 1/3 of the loss), which I would not accept.
I know we are dealing with "old money" here - I suppose the 2018 equivalent would be a £20 deficiency (at least).
The point I want to make is that rather than break-ins the use of card only would certainly make theft by a member of staff much harder, and also eliminate change-giving mistakes.
T & P
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You could still open a saving accounts with no overdraft facilty, which comes with a Contactless and Chip & Pin-enabled debit card, so you can go cashless at a certain retailer if needed and control your spending just as easily.
It makes sense to get one anyway, as contactless and cashless transactions are going to stay, and eventually replace cash in more and more industries and retailers each passing year. You can't even pay with cash to catch a bus in London anymore ffs- something far more serious and excluding to the poorest people in our society than a pub going cashless, incidentally.
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hiraethified
It's a pain but you can just buy an Oyster Card which is easily topped up. Quite different to having to go through the rigmarole of handing over your details to set up a bank account to see if you'll be accepted and then getting a card delivered.
What do you think about pubs excluding customers who only have cash?
T & P
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Opening up a savings bank account is minimal hassle, and it provides you with a Contantless debit card for life. Really not a big deal whatsoever, and far less hassle than a lifetime of queuing up at convenience stores or Tube ticket machines to top up an Oyster card with cash.
As to the customers being excluded from cashless pubs, since it doesn't cost anything to open a savings account, nobody needs to be excluded.
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hiraethified
Typical Tory/nu-Labour reply: do what the boss says and jump through the hoops he demands just to get a bloody pint or - quite literally -
Mr Retro
Beware hedgehogs
Do you know if banks are obliged to provide this service or can they refuse if they want to? I can’t seem to find good information on that online.
What if you’ve fucked about in the past and have an awful credit history and then went bankrupt and then kicked Mark Carney in the bawlz? Are banks still compelled to provide a very basic chip and pin service to anybody who wants one?
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hiraethified
They can refuse you and don't even have to give a reason.
Getting a bank account
And not everyone can easily provide the information required. Just to get a fucking pint because the rich boss likes to make things easy for himself.
Guineveretoo
Mostly bewildered
It is surprisingly difficult to open a bank account these days, although it is now a requirement for the payment of benefits in most circumstances as well, which is why the majority of adults in this country do now have bank accounts.
I say "surprisingly" because, since it is a requirement in so many circumstances, and since it used to be really easy to open as many bank accounts as you wanted, and since opening a bank account does not give you access to overdrafts or loans, it seems odd that it is now so much more complicated than it used to be. (ETA - I guess it may be to do with money laundering).
Having said that, though, I don't think many people will be excluded from the Crown and Anchor because of the "card only" requirement, for the reasons given above.
There will be one or two people I know who will struggle because they have refused the contactless card, though.
I say "surprisingly" because, since it is a requirement in so many circumstances, and since it used to be really easy to open as many bank accounts as you wanted, and since opening a bank account does not give you access to overdrafts or loans, it seems odd that it is now so much more complicated than it used to be. (ETA - I guess it may be to do with money laundering).
Having said that, though, I don't think many people will be excluded from the Crown and Anchor because of the "card only" requirement, for the reasons given above.
There will be one or two people I know who will struggle because they have refused the contactless card, though.
