CrowdScores - Live Pre-season Scores

[CrowdScoresMike]

Hi,


I’m Mike from CrowdScores, a football scores app with a difference.


We’re looking to improve the live score experience for fans and have created a platform where football supporters can instantly share goals, cards and subs with one another. This means that you get updates faster and more reliably than from major sports data conglomerates. Our app is also specifically designed for the low signal environment of a football ground, which makes score checking and sharing a less painful experience.


Obviously this enables you to share information on games that major sports data conglomerates are not interested in. As football fans ourselves, we know that keeping up to date with pre-season games is almost impossible and we want to change that. Our platform means that no game is too small for instantaneous live score updates - it’s like having a friend at every game. We have the ability to provide live updates on youth games, reserve games and friendlies as well as offering the fastest and most accurate score updates available during the domestic season.


Check out our speed and accuracy by downloading our app available on Android and iOS and compare the speed to Sky, the BBC or your scores app of choice.

We covered your recent home game against Ebbsfleet and had a number of Fleet fans in attendance and were looking to feature more Dulwich games before the season starts. So If you’re heading to any Dulwich Hamlet matches and you’d be interested in sharing the score with fans everywhere and becoming a part of the CrowdScores network then give us a shout and we’ll add it to the system.


Thanks,


Mike

 

[Dulwich Mishi]

So how does this differ from FootballWebPages, which are already updated by someone from the Club, and what fees to you offer for someone doing this service for you?

 

[butchersapron]

So how does this differ from FootballWebPages, which are already updated by someone from the Club, and what fees to you offer for someone doing this service for you?

You want paying?

 

[Dulwich Mishi]

No, as I wouldn't be offering to help. But there's no harm in asking. Noww you can answer my other point...

 

[Buckaroo]

eh?

 

[editor]

So how does this differ from FootballWebPages, which are already updated by someone from the Club, and what fees to you offer for someone doing this service for you?

Do they have an app? The Android one for crowdscore is free, btw, and there's no advertising.

 

[butchersapron]

No, as I wouldn't be offering to help. But there's no harm in asking. Noww you can answer my other point...

What other question? No harm in asking - so you would be prepared to help for money? Maybe i'm being naive, but this doesn't look like a profit job to me. I think that you're being a bit of a parochial knob though.

 

[CrowdScoresMike]

Hello all,

Thanks for taking the time to read through and respond, hopefully I can shed some light on some of the questions asked.

DM, in regards to the 'why us' question, you're certainly right that most forums, some twitter feeds and probably mates at the game may well provide you with scores when possible and those methods are certainly one way to obtain updates.

What we have built is a platform for fans who want to share information with other people that can be instantly consumed in any situation. Instead of having to access a desktop or trawl through twitter or even message your friends directly so scores can spread by word of mouth, we instantly update the app with reports so that any Dulwich fan can access that information (and in turn they can provide you with updates for games that you may miss.)

The team here are trying to spread coverage of lower league football in both the UK and eventually abroad so that fans of clubs with an average attendance of 100 or 200 can access their side's scores as quickly as a Barca fan or a United supporter.

In regards to payment or intrinsic value of the reports, realistically the data is worth little or nothing to us. Obtaining the data for the Premier League or La Liga may be of benefit but there are very few situations where people are looking to invest in football data below the Football League.

The idea of contacting non-league clubs to promote CrowdScores really came about by us wanting people to use the system and appreciate the benefits. Even if the data is worthless to us, why wouldn't we want people to enjoy the platform that we have worked hard to create?

I can understand if the proposition isn't attractive to you. Some people attend every match so will always know the score and some will always be online at 3pm to make sure they don't miss a kick, but we know that some fans struggle for live updates, especially on the move and especially at certain levels in the football pyramid.

In the coming months we are hoping to have push notifications for all levels, live league tables as low as we can go and various other data on leagues including top scorers, subs, cards and live line-ups as soon as they are announced. We genuinely want people to utilise the platform and keep each other as close to the club and as close to the fan base as possible because that is what makes it such a special game.

Sorry for the Oscar speech, if anyone has any more questions or wants any more info just ask.

 

[editor]

Hello all,

Thanks for taking the time to read through and respond, hopefully I can shed some light on some of the questions asked.

DM, in regards to the 'why us' question, you're certainly right that most forums, some twitter feeds and probably mates at the game may well provide you with scores when possible and those methods are certainly one way to obtain updates.

What we have built is a platform for fans who want to share information with other people that can be instantly consumed in any situation. Instead of having to access a desktop or trawl through twitter or even message your friends directly so scores can spread by word of mouth, we instantly update the app with reports so that any Dulwich fan can access that information (and in turn they can provide you with updates for games that you may miss.)

The team here are trying to spread coverage of lower league football in both the UK and eventually abroad so that fans of clubs with an average attendance of 100 or 200 can access their side's scores as quickly as a Barca fan or a United supporter.

In regards to payment or intrinsic value of the reports, realistically the data is worth little or nothing to us. Obtaining the data for the Premier League or La Liga may be of benefit but there are very few situations where people are looking to invest in football data below the Football League.

The idea of contacting non-league clubs to promote CrowdScores really came about by us wanting people to use the system and appreciate the benefits. Even if the data is worthless to us, why wouldn't we want people to enjoy the platform that we have worked hard to create?

I can understand if the proposition isn't attractive to you. Some people attend every match so will always know the score and some will always be online at 3pm to make sure they don't miss a kick, but we know that some fans struggle for live updates, especially on the move and especially at certain levels in the football pyramid.

In the coming months we are hoping to have push notifications for all levels, live league tables as low as we can go and various other data on leagues including top scorers, subs, cards and live line-ups as soon as they are announced. We genuinely want people to utilise the platform and keep each other as close to the club and as close to the fan base as possible because that is what makes it such a special game.

Sorry for the Oscar speech, if anyone has any more questions or wants any more info just ask.

Sounds good to me.

 

[Dulwich Mishi]

What other question? No harm in asking - so you would be prepared to help for money? Maybe i'm being naive, but this doesn't look like a profit job to me. I think that you're being a bit of a parochial knob though.

I ask what I feel is a reasonable question...and you respond by calling me a 'parochial knob'...yep. great way to drum up support that! I think it YOU that is coming across as a 'knob' by that comment!

 

[butchersapron]

I ask what I feel is a reasonable question...and you respond by calling me a 'parochial knob'...yep. great way to drum up support that! I think it YOU that is coming across as a 'knob' by that comment!

You sound very confused - this is the second time that you've replied to me in the mistaken belief that i am the OP. And your reasonable question is precisely what leads me to call you a 'parochial knob' - suggesting as it does that everyone else can go to hell because you know one person who supports your cub who already gives the score to another app/service. Guess what, the club doesn't belong to you or your mate, and neither does football scores. You may be in a shit league - no need to have shit vision though.

 

[editor]

You may be in a shit league - no need to have shit vision though.

It's not a 'shit league.'

 

[vicarofsibley]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand here we go again.

 

[butchersapron]

It's not a 'shit league.'

Maybe not, don't watch it - it's irrelevant to the point that the parochial vision shown by the person who thinks he and his mate owns both the club and its scores is indicative of the worst small scale non-league parochial thinking possible. They'll be thinking they own the streets next.

 

[editor]

Maybe not, don't watch it - it's irrelevant to the point that the parochial vision shown by the person who thinks he and his mate owns both the club and its scores is indicative of the worst small scale non-league parochial thinking possible. They'll be thinking they own the streets next.

I think you might be taking it all a bit seriously to be honest, and being a bit over the top with your responses. Maybe you should come down to Hamlet to get a better understanding of the club? Who knows, you might even get to enjoy the "shit league." I certainly prefer it to the Premiership.

 

[butchersapron]

I think you might be taking it all a bit seriously to be honest, and needlessly aggressive. Maybe you should come down to Hamlet to get a better understanding of the club? Who knows, you might even get to enjoy the "shit league." I certainly prefer it to the Premiership.

I'll not be going to watch 'Hamlet' thanks. No interest. I've cast no aspersions on them or their fans/play/ground etc - i've made one rhetorical poke in order to annoy the cuckoo who thinks s/he and his/her mate own the football scores, not just those of 'Hamlet' but all hard to find scores and so sees fit to trash any initiatives to help others as profit seeking spam. That said, i think mikes responses above to to this parochial small mindedness is a better way to proceed that winding up humourless mishis.

 

[Dulwich Mishi]

I'll not be going to watch 'Hamlet' thanks. No interest. I've cast no aspersions on them or their fans/play/ground etc - i've made one rhetorical poke in order to annoy the cuckoo who thinks s/he and his/her mate own the football scores, not just those of 'Hamlet' but all hard to find scores and so sees fit to trash any initiatives to help others as profit seeking spam. That said, i think mikes responses above to to this parochial small mindedness is a better way to proceed that winding up humourless mishis.

Actually...I don't understand technology, so am not even sure what you are trying to set up. BUT..if someone wants to find out scores on matchdays they are already updated on FootballWebPages by someone from the Club, I therefore am not entirely sure why there needs to be a duplication, when something similar/the same already exists.
The CrowdScores bloke asks for help, but I am simply wondering why something needs to be copied, rather than duplicated.
butchersapron shows his true distain for non-league football at our level by his responses. Me? Parochial? Well you're entitled to your intepretation, but I'd rather be what I am, as in a life-long Dulwich Hamlet fan committed to helping the club support base grow, and to enjoy promotion when it's achieved on the pitch, rather than start throwing insults on this section of a messageboard, which is clearly for Dulwich Hamlet fans, not shit stirrers to throw their tw0 penn'orth in.

 

[butchersapron]

Actually...I don't understand technology, so am not even sure what you are trying to set up. BUT..if someone wants to find out scores on matchdays they are already updated on FootballWebPages by someone from the Club, I therefore am not entirely sure why there needs to be a duplication, when something similar/the same already exists.
The CrowdScores bloke asks for help, but I am simply wondering why something needs to be copied, rather than duplicated.
butchersapron shows his true distain for non-league football at our level by his responses. Me? Parochial? Well you're entitled to your intepretation, but I'd rather be what I am, as in a life-long Dulwich Hamlet fan committed to helping the club support base grow, and to enjoy promotion when it's achieved on the pitch, rather than start throwing insults on this section of a messageboard, which is clearly for Dulwich Hamlet fans, not shit stirrers to throw their tw0 penn'orth in.

It's not me setting the bloody thing up. The person trying to set it up has explained why a single app - esp for those on then move - is handier than what currently exists. It's that simple. And you responded by suggesting he was seeking to exploit others for profit and suggest that as someone you know from the Club already posts them elsewhere then he shouldn't bother.

 

[Dulwich Mishi]

It's not me setting the bloody thing up. The person trying to set it up has explained why a single app - esp for those on then move - is handier than what currently exists. It's that simple. And you responded by suggesting he was seeking to exploit others for profit and suggest that as someone you know from the Club already posts them elsewhere then he shouldn't bother.

My first post on here was: "So how does this differ from FootballWebPages, which are already updated by someone from the Club, and what fees to you offer for someone doing this service for you?
"

I'm not sure where I suggested someone is out to exploit others for profit, but not knowing anything about this new venture is is so strange to ask if someone might get some renumeration, when it's their time and possibly mobile phone connection paid time that will be spent? And if the proposed new venture is successful there might be advertising revenue to be shared, and I personally am not a fan of vlounteers, unless it's for a cause that I support. No doubt you will twist my words here, again.

Personally I couldn't care less what people do, it's a free world, but if it's a duplication, then no, I wouldn't know why anyone would bother.

I apologise though, if it appeared that I thought you were part of setting it up. By your responses to me, and by having limited time, to bother to look back on who posted what, I assumed you were part of it, getting the original poster and you mixed up.

Anyway, I think we'll 'agree to diasagree', as you clearly have a contempt for non-league football at the level of the Club I so proudly support, but I am happy to chat on here with anyone who has an interest in Dulwich Hamlet, whether Hamlet fans or not, and you clearly are not one of them from your posts.

 

[liamdhfc]

As somebody who does update football webpages for Dulwich Hamlet I have no objection to clicking another button on an app to post a score in. However, having looked at the app I cannot find any way that I can add the DHFC fixtures to it and so I have to assume that they want scores/updates published when they choose to cover games or can we be assured that every DHFC game will appear on there?
The current system via football webpages is available on their desktop and mobile version in real time. It includes the team line ups, scores and scorers, bookings & sending offs and also feeds directly to the Ryman League site and the club Twitter feed.

 

[butchersapron]

My first post on here was: "So how does this differ from FootballWebPages, which are already updated by someone from the Club, and what fees to you offer for someone doing this service for you?
"

I'm not sure where I suggested someone is out to exploit others for profit, but not knowing anything about this new venture is is so strange to ask if someone might get some renumeration, when it's their time and possibly mobile phone connection paid time that will be spent? And if the proposed new venture is successful there might be advertising revenue to be shared, and I personally am not a fan of vlounteers, unless it's for a cause that I support. No doubt you will twist my words here, again.

Personally I couldn't care less what people do, it's a free world, but if it's a duplication, then no, I wouldn't know why anyone would bother.

I apologise though, if it appeared that I thought you were part of setting it up. By your responses to me, and by having limited time, to bother to look back on who posted what, I assumed you were part of it, getting the original poster and you mixed up.

Anyway, I think we'll 'agree to diasagree', as you clearly have a contempt for non-league football at the level of the Club I so proudly support, but I am happy to chat on here with anyone who has an interest in Dulwich Hamlet, whether Hamlet fans or not, and you clearly are not one of them from your posts.

Appeared to?

Yes, do your non-league dance. I clearly hate non-league football and esp your club. That's why i go and watch weston. Come on, how often must you pull this rabbit out of your hat that it's there just waiting to go?

And seriously, you immediate follow:

and what fees to you offer for someone doing this service for you?

with

I'm not sure where I suggested someone is out to exploit others for profit,

Look, someone came on with a suggestion/request for help and you responded in a petty small minded...dare i say parochial way,..one that suggested they were treading on what you think are your prerogatives - i.e how dare someone not from the Club want to provide scores to ugh..other people, people that might, ugh again, support other clubs. That response annoyed me - that's it. Move on - that's what i'm doing with this thread now.

 

[TonyWalt]

Football web pages updates pretty frequently, and for the rare occasion I miss a match, it's actually quite fun checking twitter to find out goals as they go in from fans who are there. Away to Margate last season I missed, but was glued to twitter, reading the comments and excitement of our fans posts as we turned the game around...to me that is better than just seeing a teleprinter giving goal updates.

 

[CrowdScoresMike]

Hi Liam,

It's great that this kind of system already exists. It would be great to know how the system works if you have a second? Maybe we can improve on the current model or perhaps provide the platform to the league so that they can use the app to keep fans updated?

Is there one person at each club who agrees to update the Football Web Page and then those reports feed into the main Ryman site?

In regards to adding Dulwich games, we want to provide updates for fans that feel like our system will improve their experience when trying to obtain scores. If there is a feeling that there is no benefit from a certain fan base then we won't push the idea. If there are people here that would like to use the app and keep updated via it because it's a very simple way to access information they want, then I'll happily add Dulwich games to the system.

Thanks for the information on the FWP site, it actually looks like a very good platform to find lower league information. Do you know if their app shows live scores or just pre and post?

Thanks,

Mike

 

[Scutta]

football webpages does live scores and pretty much updates straight away.... I go into the web page just as I would on a desktop on my smart phone (dont use an app) and check constantly esp toward end of the season for other teams scores... works fine.... think Mishi's first question was very reasonable what makes this different? if there is something new and better then brilliant... but I would have thought anyone making a website/app like this would have already known about football web pages and making sure they have something slightly more unique?

 

[JTG]

Another amazing thread. This new forum's growing on me

 

[CrowdScoresMike]

I think there a number of things that separate us from the competition.

One reason we aren't terribly acquainted with organisations that cover non-league football is that we don't want to segregate our Manchester United fans and our Harlow Town fans. We understand that a number of people care about multiple teams or multiple leagues and we want all of that information to be accessible in one place or via one app.

The new navigation system which is set to be implemented reasonably soon will give you the ability to drag and drop Ryman leagues above the Prem but will feature updates of all the games throughout the leagues. We will also have push notifications so instead of sitting and refreshing or having to stare at an idle screen, we will notify you of events in your selected games.

Speed wise, we update instantly. Our Premiership scores are consistently quicker than Sky and the BBC or whatever scores app you usually use and we see no reason as to why our non-league scores can't match that speed.

We also have a comment feature in the app so that anyone at the game can relay information or commentary from the match for others to discuss instantly.

Future plans include a 'match history' of games you have been to and a 'miles travelled' to follow your favourite club along with all of the expected stats including live league tables, fixtures, results, top scorers and cards.

We aren't there yet and we appreciate that there are other alternatives that have been doing a similar thing for a sustained amount of time but we know that we can provide a more comprehensive and comfortable experience. Whether there is a demand for that experience, we will find out!

 

[Scutta]

I think there a number of things that separate us from the competition.

One reason we aren't terribly acquainted with organisations that cover non-league football is that we don't want to segregate our Manchester United fans and our Harlow Town fans. We understand that a number of people care about multiple teams or multiple leagues and we want all of that information to be accessible in one place or via one app.

The new navigation system which is set to be implemented reasonably soon will give you the ability to drag and drop Ryman leagues above the Prem but will feature updates of all the games throughout the leagues. We will also have push notifications so instead of sitting and refreshing or having to stare at an idle screen, we will notify you of events in your selected games.

Speed wise, we update instantly. Our Premiership scores are consistently quicker than Sky and the BBC or whatever scores app you usually use and we see no reason as to why our non-league scores can't match that speed.

We also have a comment feature in the app so that anyone at the game can relay information or commentary from the match for others to discuss instantly.

Future plans include a 'match history' of games you have been to and a 'miles travelled' to follow your favourite club along with all of the expected stats including live league tables, fixtures, results, top scorers and cards.

We aren't there yet and we appreciate that there are other alternatives that have been doing a similar thing for a sustained amount of time but we know that we can provide a more comprehensive and comfortable experience. Whether there is a demand for that experience, we will find out!

It does sound good..
I think the best thing to do (if you are London based) is come down to a game and meet people who would be involved like maybe liamdhfc or just regular fans. You will get the best feedback that way, see how it works for us or who would do it etc this also may then help when speaking to other clubs at this level. We are a friendly bunch, especially Dulwich Mishi !!

.........and more importantly you will get to see the greatest team in the world play football...!! Im sure you know our fixture list already ;-)

 

[Scrooge]

It's 7am and according to the app it's 0-0 at half time in the Beckenham game.

I've registered but my "report goal" option is greyed out so I can't even update the info.

The app needs some work I think!

 

[CrowdScoresMike]

Hello all,

Last night didn't go very well and I apologise for that. Non-league football is new territory for us and because we had a number of sign-ups from Dulwich, the reputation assigned to the fans was reasonably low. In reality we only got one goal report for the opener and that just wasn't enough to update the system.

Due to the low-key nature of non-league pre-season games we also struggled with external sources so we weren't able to verify a goal from just one report. We did have two reports stating that it was half-time, hence the game being stuck there.

We certainly misjudged the response and that is down to us and our inexperience at this level, the fact is that you had fans reporting from the game and that should be enough to share the score. That is exactly what we want, one person should be enough to update a side dependant on attendance.

We will run Dulwich's next few games and endeavour to prove that our platform works and that we can adapt to circumstance.

Thanks to those of you who reported from the game and sorry to everyone who was looking to receive their updates,

Mike

 

[CrowdScoresMike]

We'll be running the Palace game later just in case anyone is out and about and wants live updates via the CrowdScores app.

It would be great to have some of you reporting again but if you can't make the game then keep updated via the app.