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COVID-19 in America

In response to CDC, nurses, doctors, immunologists, virologists etc:

'I'm not having your EXPERIMENTAL, UNPROVEN vaccine you evil scientists!'

In response to some random person on the internet:

'I'm gonna take that horse dewormer as you recommended to treat a respiratory virus!'
 
I considered attempts by US official to describe for a while their current wave as 'a pandemic of the unvaccinated' as unwise, and indeed they've since had to roll back on that inappropriately narrow rhetoric. Well it doesnt sound like many officials have given up on that rhetoric yet, but it blew up in their face in some ways once the scale of breakthrough infections became more obvious.

“It is true that the unvaccinated are the biggest driver, but we mustn’t forget that the vaccinated are part of it as well, in part because of the delta variant,” said Dr. Eric Topol, professor of molecular medicine at Scripps Research in La Jolla, California. “The pandemic clearly involves all people, not just the unvaccinated.”
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apnews.com

Questioning a catchphrase: 'Pandemic of the unvaccinated'

This summer’s coronavirus surge has been labeled a “pandemic of the unvaccinated” by government officials from President Joe Biden on down.
apnews.com apnews.com
 
High Voltage said:
With my figures taken from the ever reliable World-O-Meters web site :rolleyes:

IF America carries on at approximately its current daily death rate then they'll top the 600,000 total in less than 20 days - this is a big mile stone

The next mile stone that I really, really hope doesn't (but fear it will) get broken is the 666,441 - this is the total combat deaths of every American soldier in every conflict . . . like, ever. From the American Revolution war right through to the 2017 death of some poor sod during a Raid on Yeman

And the final mile stone that would be a disaster if they broke would be 675,000 (ish) or the death total from the 1918 Spanish Flu
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This weekend will almost certainly see the States of America pass the second milestone mentioned above

If you're an American you are now safer going to fight in a war than live free in the SoA

And yes, I know I'm really twisting two totally unrelated numbers. But with new daily case levels approaching 185,000 things ain't looking good

Before we all start feeling a little smug in the Kingdom our new daily case level (yesterday), scaled to allow for differences in population size, would see the equivalent of over 200,000 of our fellow countrymen, women and children infected. With each one capable of causing another mutation that the current vaccines will not work on or work on as well. Not to mention putting an even greater strain on the finite resources of the NHS and putting the doctors and nurses and ambulance crews and cleaners and all staff involved at greater and total avoidable risk
 
krtek a houby said:
Headlines getting more and more terrifyingly sureal :(

Gunshot Victims Left Waiting as Horse Dewormer Overdoses Overwhelm Oklahoma Hospitals, Doctor Says
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As people take the drug, McElyea said patients have arrived at hospitals with negative reactions like nausea, vomiting, muscle aches, and cramping — or even loss of sight.

“The scariest one that I’ve heard of and seen is people coming in with vision loss,” the doctor said.
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FFS, despite them being complete fucking idiots, I hope the vision loss is only temporarily.
 
High Voltage said:
But with new daily case levels approaching 185,000 things ain't looking good
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I think you mean 165,000, which adjusted for population is about the same as the UK on 34,000, however with the population adjustment their average daily deaths are running at almost two & half times the UK rate*, and that gap has been increasing recently. :(

* US - 1304 / 4.88 = 267
UK - 114

Their testing rate per one million people is less than half ours, so they are probably missing a lot more new cases, which together with fairly low vaccination rates, probably goes a long way in explaining the ratio between new cases and deaths being so different to the UK.
 
I did say that I'm taking my figures from the ever reliable World-O-meter Web site which does list the States, for the last two days, at 182,000 and change

But either which way the numbers are going the wrong way and we are worse

This is not over by a long chalk. Shame a lot of people can't or won't accept that and are wanting to get back to the old normal and not realising that we may never get back there
 
I was also using the World-O-meter Web site too, but I always tick the box for the 7-day average figures, to iron out the ups & downs of the daily figures, and, yes the numbers are bad on both sides of the ponds.

But, I am not sure about 'we are worse', on new cases we could well be in a week or two with the schools going back, but ATM we are on a par, however we are testing a lot more, so are probably picking up more cases per head.

But, more important than cases is the deaths, and I doubt we will start seeing that high ratio of deaths to cases, or perhaps I should say 'I hope we don't start seeing...'
 
If seeking to compare the UK with the USA, when it comes to number of positive cases we need to factor in the idea that availability of testing is worse in the US. We dont need to rely on that assumption without evidence, we can compare the percentage positivity rates of the two nations. I dont have those figures to hand at the moment, but I think last time I looked, the percentage of positives in the USA was indeed ridiculously high.

And/or use hospital data. Which will reflect other stuff like differences in what percentage of the population have been vaccinated in the two countries.

In terms of current trends, I think there were some trends in US data that implied a peak, but if I try to look into this properly then its probably better to do so on a state by state basis.
 
krtek a houby said:
Headlines getting more and more terrifyingly sureal :(

Gunshot Victims Left Waiting as Horse Dewormer Overdoses Overwhelm Oklahoma Hospitals, Doctor Says
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The doctor quoted in that story has walked it back somewhat - he says he was misquoted and while some ivermectin overdose patients have added to the burden on overloaded hospitals, there aren't enough of them to overwhelm hospitals by themselves.

www.newson6.com

Oklahoma Doctor At Center Of Viral Ivermectin Story Says Report Is Wrong

The doctor at the center of the story told News 9 he was misquoted, and the story was wrong.
www.newson6.com www.newson6.com
 
I have some sympathy for the ivermectin fans, tbh - it's not a conspiracy theory to say that health care in the US is a total fucking scam and doctors there can't always be trusted, many the poor, rural communities where people are taking horse paste instead of getting vaccinated were hit hard by the opioid crisis caused in large part by doctors overprescribing drugs like OxyContin while taking kickbacks from drug companies.

So I can see why some people in these places, especially those with no health insurance or shitty health care plans, might get seduced by the idea that vaccines etc. are a scam and the disease can actually be cured by a medicine you can buy very cheaply at the farm supply store. And too often, they just end up dying after spending weeks on a ventilator, leaving their families with medical bills of $50,000 or more.
 
Yossarian said:
I have some sympathy for the ivermectin fans, tbh - it's not a conspiracy theory to say that health care in the US is a total fucking scam and doctors there can't always be trusted, many the poor, rural communities where people are taking horse paste instead of getting vaccinated were hit hard by the opioid crisis caused in large part by doctors overprescribing drugs like OxyContin while taking kickbacks from drug companies.

So I can see why some people in these places, especially those with no health insurance or shitty health care plans, might get seduced by the idea that vaccines etc. are a scam and the disease can actually be cured by a medicine you can buy very cheaply at the farm supply store. And too often, they just end up dying after spending weeks on a ventilator, leaving their families with medical bills of $50,000 or more.
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^This. I'm from a rural area and people there regularly treat their own illness with drugs meant for animals. Get a cut, put some bag balm on it. Get a cold, shoot up some antibiotics. It's cheap, its available, which is more than can be said for rural medical care. I've sometimes had to drive an elderly parent halfway across the state to get the care of a specialist. Regular GPs can be over an hour away. Just the geographics of rural areas make healthcare difficult to deliver in an large area with a small population. If you add the costs, it becomes impossible to get health care. A lot of rural farmers don't have health insurance because it costs so much, as well so that locks them out of the medical system from the beginning.

When my father was sick with cancer, I had to drive to his place (200 miles), pick him up, take him to Omaha (250 miles), and then drive him back home (250 miles). I remember once being so angry with them because we got there and the doctor spent five minutes speaking to him and sent him home. We drove a sick, elderly man 700 miles, just to spend five minutes with a doctor for something that could have been handled over the phone.

That said, there are some very dedicated rural doctors and nurses out there who could make a lot more money if they gave up and moved to the city.
 
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