COVID-19 in America

[High Voltage]

Whilst we are all looking on in shock and awe at the unwinding disaster that is currently befalling the assorted States of America let's not forget that the Disjointed Kingdom is still doing far worse per capita

Granted, figures from the ever reliable World-O-meters, but the Disjointed Kingdom is currently sitting fourth for deaths per million at 670 and hot on the heels of Andorra who have 673. The Americas are currently languishing in eleventh with only 441

And don't, please, forget that our highest single death total was approaching 1500 in a country about 1/5 the size of Trumpland

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[cupid_stunt]

Whilst we are all looking on in shock and awe at the unwinding disaster that is currently befalling the assorted States of America let's not forget that the Disjointed Kingdom is still doing far worse per capita

Granted, figures from the ever reliable World-O-meters, but the Disjointed Kingdom is currently sitting fourth for deaths per million at 670 and hot on the heels of Andorra who have 673. The Americas are currently languishing in eleventh with only 441

And don't, please, forget that our highest single death total was approaching 1500 in a country about 1/5 the size of Trumpland

News, sport and opinion from the Guardian's UK edition | The Guardian › jun
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Nearly 1,500 deaths in one day: UK ministers accused of downplaying Covid-19 peak | World news | The Guardian

That's very true, but the gap is closing, because since the start of July our average daily deaths have almost halved, whereas across the pond they have gone up by around 50%. What's more worrying is deaths tend to go up 4+ weeks after the new cases are reported, and a month ago they were hitting around 30k a day, now it's around 68k a day, so if the death rate follows the usual path, they are going to more than double over the next few weeks.

Put another way, our 7 day average is currently 64, five times that would be 320, whereas they are on 862 and accelerating.

On the US page of worldometers you can see the deaths per million for most states, New Jersey has suffered worst so far on 1,777, with New York on 1,677, if the states now getting hit hard get anything like those numbers it's going to be horrific.

 

[High Voltage]

I know, it's heart breaking watching what's happening. Like a lot in the DK I have friends and family over there.

I've already lost one close family member here to this dammed virus when that occurred it really hit home, as Mrs Voltz has since said (it was her last remaining aunt who died), it's not until you actually know someone who's died that or really starts to register, it seems too remote and its easy to brush it off as it not happening to me

 

[frogwoman]

I'm sorry to hear that

 

[existentialist]

I know, it's heart breaking watching what's happening. Like a lot in the DK I have friends and family over there.

I've already lost one close family member here to this dammed virus when that occurred it really hit home, as Mrs Voltz has since said (it was her last remaining aunt who died), it's not until you actually know someone who's died that or really starts to register, it seems too remote and its easy to brush it off as it not happening to me

It's the thing I was banging on about on another thread: we can't see or detect this virus, so at quite an animal level it's not "there". Even the numbers are, well, just numbers - the more imaginative of us can conceive of some idea of what all this means, but it's not until something happens that directly affects us personally that the reality truly dawns.

And, for some people, even that isn't enough - the "covid deniers" are simply responding to their atavistic "if I can't see it, it doesn't exist" reaction, and then not bothering to do that extra bit of thinking that the rest of us will be doing, which says "but people who DO have ways of 'seeing' it can, and I trust them".

This cognitive dissonance is what I suspect is what will really floor people, trauma-wise, in the aftermath of this.

 

[frogwoman]

It's the thing I was banging on about on another thread: we can't see or detect this virus, so at quite an animal level it's not "there". Even the numbers are, well, just numbers - the more imaginative of us can conceive of some idea of what all this means, but it's not until something happens that directly affects us personally that the reality truly dawns.

And, for some people, even that isn't enough - the "covid deniers" are simply responding to their atavistic "if I can't see it, it doesn't exist" reaction, and then not bothering to do that extra bit of thinking that the rest of us will be doing, which says "but people who DO have ways of 'seeing' it can, and I trust them".

This cognitive dissonance is what I suspect is what will really floor people, trauma-wise, in the aftermath of this.

Watched an interview with guy who had caught it in Texas and been in hospital twice (!) And his own son wouldn't wear a mask and refused to believe the virus was real.

 

[existentialist]

Watched an interview with guy who had caught it in Texas and been in hospital twice (!) And his own son wouldn't wear a mask and refused to believe the virus was real.

Eric Kahnemann's book, "Thinking Fast & Slow" offers an interesting angle on this kind of thing.

 

[Teaboy]

I don't know if this has already been discussed but does anyone else read the thread title in the style of James Brown's singing? Obviously you need to drop the '19' bit. I suppose you could do that in the voice of Paul Hardcastle?

 

[frogwoman]

Eric Kahnemann's book, "Thinking Fast & Slow" offers an interesting angle on this kind of thing.

I find it impossible to understand.

 

[Yossarian]

I don't know if this has already been discussed but does anyone else read the thread title in the style of James Brown's singing? Obviously you need to drop the '19' bit. I suppose you could do that in the voice of Paul Hardcastle?

I was thinking Kim Wilde.

 

[Numbers]

I don't know if this has already been discussed but does anyone else read the thread title in the style of James Brown's singing? Obviously you need to drop the '19' bit. I suppose you could do that in the voice of Paul Hardcastle?

I do now.

 

[frogwoman]

It's the thing I was banging on about on another thread: we can't see or detect this virus, so at quite an animal level it's not "there". Even the numbers are, well, just numbers - the more imaginative of us can conceive of some idea of what all this means, but it's not until something happens that directly affects us personally that the reality truly dawns.

And, for some people, even that isn't enough - the "covid deniers" are simply responding to their atavistic "if I can't see it, it doesn't exist" reaction, and then not bothering to do that extra bit of thinking that the rest of us will be doing, which says "but people who DO have ways of 'seeing' it can, and I trust them".

This cognitive dissonance is what I suspect is what will really floor people, trauma-wise, in the aftermath of this.

I'm pretty sure at least some covid truthers (like Bolsonaro) do know, they just don't care?

 

[Dogsauce]

Poor sods in New York area didn’t know what hit them, it was widespread before anyone could do much about it. That it has reached this level elsewhere several months later when there’s a lot more knowledge about what it is and how it is spread just seems preposterous. It’s criminally negligent that they’ve let it become re-established at this level.

 

[Yossarian]

This picture of an American boat (top, limited to 50% capacity) and a Canadian boat (bottom, limited to six passengers) at Niagara Falls has led to a certain amount of self-congratulation north of the border - while Canada's pandemic response has undoubtedly been better than the US one, I think the boat passengers should be fine - they're outdoors, wearing masks, and being hit with massive amounts of spray from an enormous waterfall probably limits virus transmission, though I don't think it's something researchers have looked at too closely.

 

[krtek a houby]

Crazy people

Would be funny if it wasn't so sad and horrifying.

 

[Cid]

Just doing some reading up... Currently 59,628 hospitalised. Fuck. This is roughly the same as the previous highest hospitalisation rate on the 15th April. Just grim.

 

[frogwoman]

59k in hospital (and no doubt more who haven't had positive tests etc) is a shocking number.

 

[editor]

This picture of an American boat (top, limited to 50% capacity) and a Canadian boat (bottom, limited to six passengers) at Niagara Falls has led to a certain amount of self-congratulation north of the border - while Canada's pandemic response has undoubtedly been better than the US one, I think the boat passengers should be fine - they're outdoors, wearing masks, and being hit with massive amounts of spray from an enormous waterfall probably limits virus transmission, though I don't think it's something researchers have looked at too closely.


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The America boat should be renamed 'Maid of Idiots.'

 

[petee]

Maskless "Holy Karen" Filmed Invoking Jesus To Banish Others From Store Aisle Until She's Done

It didn't end well for this Karen though...

god.dailydot.com

Shoppers at a Fred Meyer in Longview, Washington were greeted with a new form of Karen this week when an anti-mask woman started shouting at anyone coming down the aisle she was currently shopping in, banishing them “in Jesus Christ’s name” until she was finished.

“I command you in Jesus Christ’s name to get off this aisle!” she yells at a retreating masked store employee. “You need to leave, in Jesus Christ’s mighty name!”

see, this is what happens when you don't have a magisterium.

 

[RTWL]

Trump Is Using Pandemic to Enrich Billionaires as Millions Lose Work & Face Eviction

 

[Steel Icarus]

That's a large font size.

 

[two sheds]

Maskless "Holy Karen" Filmed Invoking Jesus To Banish Others From Store Aisle Until She's Done

It didn't end well for this Karen though...

god.dailydot.com

Shoppers at a Fred Meyer in Longview, Washington were greeted with a new form of Karen this week when an anti-mask woman started shouting at anyone coming down the aisle she was currently shopping in, banishing them “in Jesus Christ’s name” until she was finished.

“I command you in Jesus Christ’s name to get off this aisle!” she yells at a retreating masked store employee. “You need to leave, in Jesus Christ’s mighty name!”

see, this is what happens when you don't have a magisterium.

Below article is another headline with a fine example of the importance of a written constitution:

[quote]Maskless Customer Demands Her Constitutional Right To Pizza[/quote]

Eta: although now I read it 'Constitution' only appears in the headline I feel dirty

Eta eta: although now I actually read it the bloke she's with calls on their First Amendment rights (one assumes to pizza).

 

[Tankus]

surprise

As Trump Calls for Schools to Fully Reopen, His Son’s School Says It Will Not (Published 2020)

St. Andrew’s Episcopal School, the private school in the Maryland suburbs attended by Barron Trump, said it was considering either a hybrid part-time plan or going back to entirely online classes.

www.nytimes.com

 

[yield]

“Stealth” food banks serve the undocumented
07.21.2020

Underground food distributions, direct financial assistance, and postings on WhatsApp are some of the ways food banks are reaching out to undocumented clients, a population that has been particularly hard hit by the coronavirus crisis.

The efforts are designed to combat the chilling effects of the current administration’s immigration policies, which seek to make it harder for immigrants who are not wealthy to gain permanent residence. They go above and beyond more common ways of accommodating the undocumented, such as not asking people about their migration status during food distributions.

“I was not aware of how scared they were. That was a shock for me.”

Undocumented clients are especially vulnerable these days because they don’t qualify for the unemployment benefits that other out-of-work people are able to receive. They also fear coming into contact with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers during distributions or endangering their migration status by applying for SNAP.

 

[RTWL]

That's a large font size.

Yer sorry about that.... copy and paste on my phone is limiting.

 

[sideboob]

This picture of an American boat (top, limited to 50% capacity) and a Canadian boat (bottom, limited to six passengers) at Niagara Falls has led to a certain amount of self-congratulation north of the border - while Canada's pandemic response has undoubtedly been better than the US one, I think the boat passengers should be fine - they're outdoors, wearing masks, and being hit with massive amounts of spray from an enormous waterfall probably limits virus transmission, though I don't think it's something researchers have looked at too closely.


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The Canadian boat has raised their prices and been marketing it as a VIP cruise. Good response from the public and its been quite popular apparently.

 

[frogwoman]

Fucking hell is this true? Is this really set to go out on local TV? America is completely fucked

 

[Sue]

Saw this article the other day about Americans not believing the numbers. I assumed from the headline it'd be people thinking the numbers were higher than reported but no.

US public increasingly skeptical of Covid-19 death toll, poll finds

Axios-Ipsos poll shows 31% of respondents believe number of Americans dying from virus is smaller than public data portrays

www.theguardian.com

 

[cupid_stunt]

Saw this article the other day about Americans not believing the numbers. I assumed from the headline it'd be people thinking the numbers were higher than reported but no.

US public increasingly skeptical of Covid-19 death toll, poll finds

Axios-Ipsos poll shows 31% of respondents believe number of Americans dying from virus is smaller than public data portrays

www.theguardian.com

That was posted a few days ago, on one of the threads, it's nuts isn't it?

But, this says a lot...

Skepticism about coronavirus statistics was heavily correlated with media consumption habits, the poll found. A 62% majority of Fox News watchers said the statistics are overblown, while 48% who reported no main news source thought so. Only 7% of CNN and MSNBC watchers thought so.

 

[frogwoman]

Posted this on another thread but in fact fact deaths are being significantly undercounted because people get strokes, heart attacks etc which aren't necessarily linked to the virus, there's been a huge increase in these type of deaths. Additionally a lot of US states have huge problems with running out of tests and people are waiting hours for tests if they're able to get it at all, with backlogs of up to two weeks for results.