COVID-19 in America
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Supine
Newt Member
so maybe you’d expect them to be worse?
elbows
Well-Known Member
Maybe I'd expect them to have gotten worse more quickly earlier on, and therefore to start looking better later on, when others were then busily heading in the other (bad) direction. And perhaps to also gain a bit more wiggle room post-lockdown as a result of the 'fire already having burnt through more of the population' than places that werent hit bad early on. If so, it does make those red vs blue states graphs a bit unfair in a few senses, but probably still appropriate in others. Because these factors are also reasons why its probably especially stupid for some of those places that never had huge epidemic waves in the first place to be so cavalier with the way they came out of lockdown, as if the danger had somehow passed them by via nothing more than the passing of time.
spring-peeper
Well-Known Member
US president says 'silent majority is stronger than ever before' – as it happened
President ignored experts and local concerns to stage event as Oklahoma experiences Covid-19 increase
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
US president says 'silent majority is stronger than ever before' – as it happened
President ignored experts and local concerns to stage event as Oklahoma experiences Covid-19 increasewww.theguardian.com
What the actual fuck?
spring-peeper
Well-Known Member
Was watching CNN for a bit, and there seems to be all sorts of stuff for sale.
Below is from my facebook page
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
That's gotta be photoshopped surely? If that's genuine then we really have gone through the looking glass
magneze
🎧
It was on the news earlier in the background.
spring-peeper
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cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Tankus
Amused OAP
Six Trump campaign staffers working on Tulsa rally test positive for coronavirus
Six staffers working on President Donald Trump's rally in Tulsa, Oklahoma, have tested positive for coronavirus, the Trump campaign said Saturday.
edition.cnn.com
trumps waiver may not be legally valid
spring-peeper
Well-Known Member
Yip.
I used to have to get people to sign the necessary waivers, but was told it would not stop someone suing.
spring-peeper
Well-Known Member
I think that some of his followers are not too bright and will think that suing is not an option. They did sign it.
bimble
floofy
Part of a body of work that might be studied by historians one day yep. like this sort of thing, one of my favourites of the genre.BIB - yes, clearly it's not actually Trump.
But, the banner is real.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
Jesus Christ what has the world come to?BIB - yes, clearly it's not actually Trump.
But, the banner is real.
petee
no gods, no malarkey
within some states yes. we're doing quite better here in NYS. now just let's not botch it, as some indisciplined people seem to want to do.
if it's botched, it'll be botched by the inadequacies and failures of the public health response, not the indiscipline of the public.
petee
no gods, no malarkey
no, it'll be botched by people who refuse to distance or mask.
editor
hiraethified
America is seriously fucked
Top US health official Fauci warns of 'disturbing' new US surge
They also told US lawmakers that they had never been asked to slow testing for coronavirus.
www.bbc.co.uk
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
How so? The CDC's response to the outbreak could have been absolutely textbook (well maybe not literally textbook, as elbows might point out), and there would still be malcontents squealing about how encouraging people to wear masks is "Chinese communism tactics". Not sure how the relevant public health bodies could respond adequately to such stuff, but I'm open to ideas.
Although I will grant that a proper response would probably involve enough public education to mean fewer people who seem to think that hardly anybody is dying or that Covid-19 is no worse than the flu. But I don't think the deeply entrenched Red Scare bullshit would have been as easy to respond to.
In Wuhan, when people were indisciplined, they welded them into their houses. There are a range of measures available to the state (which is ultimately responsible for the public health response, not the CDC) from consistent and clear messaging through to harsh penalties for lockdown breakers, and many more besides - that the american state just didn't do. The failure of the response is on them, not the indisciplined rabble.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
The way I see it, and maybe what killer b meant in his reply, is that it is the job of government to govern in a way, including decent public health provision, that means that when citizens are asked to make great sacrifices, there can be a reasonable expectation of most of them doing it - ie., not operating as an indisciplined rabble, to swipe killer b's term.
Trump's government has actively encouraged counter-social activities through his support for white pride marches, his barely-disguised racism and utterly undisguised sexism, his failure to observe the proprieties of the office he holds, his cavalier attitude to diplomatic relations...the message he is sending to (at least) his base is "do whatever the fuck you want, if you're white". Which doesn't bode well for the situation where the government wants to ask everyone to act in the common good (never a major theme in American politics - probably regarded as dangerously liberal). And, let's face it, Trump has neither really asked for, nor demonstrated, a socially responsible attitude to this whole business. Or any other business.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Breaking news on the BBC - the New York governor, supported by the governors of both New Jersey & Connecticut, have announced an 'internal travel advisory' for people coming from 14 states with high & growing inflection rates into these 3 states, which means they will have to quarantine for 14 days.
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