Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion
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those guys will kick off at literally anything mind.You only need to read the comments on your local rags Facebook
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
I think one of the government's many, many failures on handling this is their total failure to be open and to educate people on the science behind it. And in particular the community level side and the degree to which distancing etc are for a much wider benefit than yourself. When I see people going 'ooh distancing has broken down, nobody gives a fuck anymore,' I don't really see that. I think people in general want to do the right thing and if you give them clear instructions then in general they'll do it. What I do see is that people aren't living in fear to the same degree any more - they're not cowering round people in the street like they were in March. To be honest I think they're right in that, others might disagree, but ultimately it doesn't matter because that sort of nervousness will only motivate people for so long IMO.
This is true but make no mistake people are being sick of being put in detention.
I know. How awful to be in a secure job with a solid salary, decent pension, subsidised bars and restaurants, likely a nice expenses account, long holidays, possibly a second home and a pocket stuffed full of money from private party donors.Good job I’m not in Government
(((government)))
elbows
Well-Known Member
Even the original plan A that went in the bin did involve a lengthy period of quite large restrictions. But we never got to see that because it all fell apart in record time due to the double whammy of getting both the measures and the timing wrong in early March.
If we had almost no obesity in this country, some other demographic differences and had vastly more healthcare capacity, staff, etc, then I think the establishment in this country would have tried much harder to stick to their preferred approach. The UK, the Netherlands and Sweden were all originally up for variations on that theme. We were least well placed to pull it off, then the Netherlands, then Sweden. I will rejudge this once we have seen what winter is like in all those places.
Say what you like about being an MP but stable job it ain’t. They work fucking hard for their money too on the whole. The decent ones anyway. I’ve never had a Tory MP.
A variety of work environments now telling staff not to use the NHS app. I know Orang Utan has been facing this.
NHS Covid-19 app: Why are some teachers being told not to use it?
Some school heads are telling teachers to ignore or switch off contact tracing, BBC News has learned.
www.bbc.co.uk
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
People aren't being 'put in detention' though, and talking like that is nonsense. There's a few restrictions in place short term to stop thousands of the most vulnerable people dying.
Mmm, round here, there's a sort of misplaced rebellion over distancing. It is actually impossible in many places to do it, cos folk just walk into you, walk up behind you in shops etc, in a 'fuck you' kind of way.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
We have since been told we're welcome to use it now and to keep our phones on us, if that makes us feel safer.A variety of work environments now telling staff not to use the NHS app. I know Orang Utan has been facing this.
NHS Covid-19 app: Why are some teachers being told not to use it?
Some school heads are telling teachers to ignore or switch off contact tracing, BBC News has learned.www.bbc.co.uk
I know but that’s not how many see it
Oh good!! Did they just change their minds on their own, or was there some negotiation on your part? I know you said your union had been crap over it.
andysays
Love and solidarity
The way things are going, literally tens of thousands more are likely to be dead by Christmas, in large part because the government was too keen on prioritising the short term effect on some sectors of the economy than actually doing anything to get the spread under control before re-opening pubs etc.
Its a mad situation. My first thought was 'well at least that aspect of it is stable'. Then I sort of imagined a single event where 77 people died like a plane crash or terrorist event, the fall out from it would be huge yet this is happening every day.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Just wait till I start boring everyone with the latest daily hospital data again once I've had a chance to process the data.
Edie is just relaying how people are feeling. This is also the feeling I'm getting from speaking with people. You can rationalize it all you want but that doesn't change what is happening out there. I think you are perhaps a bit blind as to what is actually happening out there and how much it is influencing government decision making.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Think it was just me and others taking a stand. The unions did fuck all. Perhaps we should start our own union. I'd make a crap rep though!
Maybe - all I know is that as each new restriction has approached, it's been widely predicted that there'll be widespread disobedience, when in the breach, each time... there hasn't.
Gobby dicks on local paper facebook pages are all fucking mouth.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Its not influencing the government that much. If it was, they would not have brought in the rule of 6, and they would not be looking at hospitality closures.
Well done. That's brilliant. Hey, why not? I think you'd make a great rep!
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
not so good with details tho
I see they're gonna start doing daily briefings again. Deja fucking vu anyone? Except this time the buffoon won't be leading them.
Ex-Journalist Allegra Stratton to lead No 10 TV briefings
No 10 announced earlier this year it plans to hold daily White House-style press conferences.
www.bbc.co.uk
Absolutely this. The hard line ‘close it all down’ brigade are missing the general mood. Which isn’t pretty. Yes, there are those that are scared of a big second wave- most of us!!- but there is also a complete lack of sense of the fact that people need to earn a living! If you are on a zero hours job, what are you gonna do if you get a ‘isolate for two weeks’ text? Not having the app for a start. Or what if you’re gonna lose your job with a second total lockdown cos you work in a hairdressers or in a pub. Surprise surprise people don’t want to be without a job. Universal credit, if you even get it, takes weeks and weeks to come through.
Not sure about that, the rule of 6 seemed like a pretty clear compromise and is one of the reasons why it hasn't worked. They are dragging their feet regarding hospitality closures as well. I think how the people will react is and has been influencing pretty much all their decision making to a greater and lesser degree. They are, after all politicians first and foremost.
This is also a possibility to be fair.
StoneRoad
heckling from the back!
Today's figures make depressing reading, not just the cases (with a 6.88% positivity rate) nor the appalling 77 deaths.
But there have been another 609 people admitted to hospital today and of the 3,412 now in hospital, some 442 are in beds equipped for mechanical ventilation.
Not happy about all the dilly-dallying going on, within the decision making process.
Personally, health of the population comes first.
With suitable will-power and funding, the economy can be boot-strapped later ...
But there have been another 609 people admitted to hospital today and of the 3,412 now in hospital, some 442 are in beds equipped for mechanical ventilation.
Not happy about all the dilly-dallying going on, within the decision making process.
Personally, health of the population comes first.
With suitable will-power and funding, the economy can be boot-strapped later ...
elbows
Well-Known Member
A brief hospital admissions narrative for England.
At its lowest point after months of falling after the first lockdown, 316 people were admitted with Covid-19 in a 7 day period in England. That was in the latter part of August.
When I add up the England admissions figures for the last 7 days data that are currently published, which means the period of 30th September->6th October, that figure is 2927. So nearly 10 times higher. Almost 3000 people a week. I cant actually say thats literally 3000 people hospitalised a week from covid because these admission numbers also include people that were already in hospital and then diagnosed later, which will also include people who caught it in hospital.
At its lowest point after months of falling after the first lockdown, 316 people were admitted with Covid-19 in a 7 day period in England. That was in the latter part of August.
When I add up the England admissions figures for the last 7 days data that are currently published, which means the period of 30th September->6th October, that figure is 2927. So nearly 10 times higher. Almost 3000 people a week. I cant actually say thats literally 3000 people hospitalised a week from covid because these admission numbers also include people that were already in hospital and then diagnosed later, which will also include people who caught it in hospital.
I think this mood is at least partly informed by the government's bullish approach to financial support - no-one here is suggesting closing anything down without significant financial support for affected people & businesses.
miss direct
misfungled
A friend of mine is on a zero hours contract through an agency. She got a positive test and is isolating. She's gutted as she needs the money, but surely two weeks off work is better than the prospect of infecting those around you? It must be a really hard choice
Especially for those who are told to isolate just because they have been in contact with someone else but haven't had a test.Similar threads
