Coronavirus in the UK - news, lockdown and discussion

[editor]

And up pops another 'it's a violation of my liberty' idiot

Noel Gallagher says he refuses to wear a 'pointless' mask despite UK laws

Singer-songwriter argues ‘if I get the virus it’s on me, it’s not on anyone else’, as Ian Brown calls for ‘no masks no vax’

www.theguardian.com

His brother is not impressed

 

[Roadkill]

And up pops another 'it's a violation of my liberty' idiot

Noel Gallagher says he refuses to wear a 'pointless' mask despite UK laws

Singer-songwriter argues ‘if I get the virus it’s on me, it’s not on anyone else’, as Ian Brown calls for ‘no masks no vax’

www.theguardian.com

So, Morrissey is a raving racist and Noel Gallagher and Ian Brown are Covidiots.

'Manchester, so much to answer for.'

 

[IC3D]

It's under his fucking nose

 

[FridgeMagnet]

It's under his fucking nose

For a moment there I was worried that I might have to think Liam Gallagher was being sensible.

 

[maomao]

Surely Noel Gallagher must realise wearing a mask in public reduces his chances of being punched in his smug cunt face considerably.

 

[MrSki]

Surely Noel Gallagher must realise wearing a mask in public reduces his chances of being punched in his smug cunt face considerably.

I witnessed him getting twatted in Camden in the 90s. Great night.

 

[Supine]

worth a read but depressing.

Two weeks for ‘rule of six’ to stop Covid spread or tougher measures loom | ITV News

Social distancing measures could be reintroduced, Robert Peston has learned. | ITV National News

www.itv.com

 

[zahir]

Hospital outbreak in Tameside.

Tameside hospital fights fatal outbreak of hospital-acquired Covid

Exclusive: inquiry launched as several patients die of Covid-19 after becoming infected while being treated for other illnesses

www.theguardian.com

 

[Steel Icarus]

worth a read but depressing.

Two weeks for ‘rule of six’ to stop Covid spread or tougher measures loom | ITV News

Social distancing measures could be reintroduced, Robert Peston has learned. | ITV National News

www.itv.com

It's depressing how fucking obvious it is that current measures will not be enough.

 

[killer b]

So, Morrissey is a raving racist and Noel Gallagher and Ian Brown are Covidiots.

'Manchester, so much to answer for.'

Its probably for the best Ian Curtis signed out early. He was a tory then, you can only imagine where he'd be now...

 

[clicker]

It's depressing how fucking obvious it is that current measures will not be enough.

Yes this. We know it'll change, but waiting for the inevitable is grim.

 

[Steel Icarus]

Yes this. We know it'll change, but waiting for the inevitable is grim.

Still feels like I'm still hoping for someone close enough to me to get it without getting it myself. I don't mean that in a bad way, I hope nobody gets it, but yswim

 

[elbows]

Hospital outbreak in Tameside.

Tameside hospital fights fatal outbreak of hospital-acquired Covid

Exclusive: inquiry launched as several patients die of Covid-19 after becoming infected while being treated for other illnesses

www.theguardian.com

The headline has pissed me off too. First fatal outbreak of hospital-acquired Covid in England my fucking arse. Why the fuck are they framing it like that? I spoke a bunch in this thread about an outbreak in my local hospital that killed a bunch of people in June. And the article itself mentions that as many as a fifth of inpatients with Covid-19 caught it this way, and the article also makes reference to a tory MPs father who died of hospital-acquired Covid in May.

 

[IC3D]

I'm resisting writing an account of staff illness in my trust and the horror as I realised we were following govt guidelines published too late and only wearing masks for patient contact for way too long. It was complete negligence from our managers and execs. First hospital outbreak was in February.

 

[IC3D]

Wasting tests on patients that were pouring in all presenting with identical covid symptoms and not testing any staff or even raising an eyebrow that it was tearing through the front-line workers

 

[elbows]

I havent had time to make a complete series of graphs relating to my local hospitals outbreak, and when I do I'm going to put it in the nerdy thread. But since the subject came up I just graphed the data showing bed occupancy at my local hospital. Look at how bad it got again by mid June as a result of the fatal outbreak here, and then just look what happened to it when they finally got a grip on infection control in the hospital, closed some wards etc. No local lockdown required to deal with this, and I think the data paints quite a vivid picture.

 

[LDC]

I'm resisting writing an account of staff illness in my trust and the horror as I realised we were following govt guidelines published too late and only wearing masks for patient contact for way too long. It was complete negligence from our managers and execs. First hospital outbreak was in February.

Our hospital was way behind in reacting to what was going on at the start of the pandemic. Nothing happened for ages (and I was regularly asking/hassling for info) and then it was sudden panic.

 

[Ms Ordinary]

So if people are using fake postcodes at the other end of the country, to get tests at their nearest centre... what postcodes are their results linked to? Do you still enter your real home address at some point?

 

[elbows]

The Guardian have fixed their headline and intro for that hospital story by removing the idea that that it was the first fatal outbreak of that kind in England.

 

[elbows]

While we are on that subject, NERVTAG minutes for a June 10th meeting includes this:


From Box via Box

I know we are already not too short on explanations for why this country does so badly in this pandemic, but the one mentioned above is not focussed on nearly enough.

 

[elbows]

And yes, JVT is Jonathan Van Tam.

 

[Roadkill]

FFS

 

[cupid_stunt]

FFS

TBF, they did open a replacement in Rochester before that one closed.

 

[Roadkill]

TBF, they did open a replacement in Rochester before that one closed.

They did, but we need all the testing capacity we can get atm. Yet they're closing one for a lorry park that should never have been necessary.

 

[bimble]

worth a read but depressing.

Two weeks for ‘rule of six’ to stop Covid spread or tougher measures loom | ITV News

Social distancing measures could be reintroduced, Robert Peston has learned. | ITV National News

www.itv.com

The bit where it quotes 'a senior member of the government' as saying “There is no possibility of us waiting for the death rate to rise before we act” - what is that supposed to mean, what are they waiting for then.

 

[frogwoman]

I think the confusion/dissatisfaction about the ridiculous aspects of the rules is deliberate tbh, I think they are banking on not as many people following them as last time, they're doing the bare minimum to look like they're doing something. Remember all those headlines about how the UK was 'more compliant than expected' etc.

 

[cupid_stunt]

We had a hell of a spike in Worthing, after weeks of just 2 or 3 new cases a week, it shot up to 37 in the first 7 days of this month. The County Council said most the cases were linked, and they had been successful in contact tracing, the 7-day rolling average has started to drop again, and we are down to 2 cases a day, still 7 times more than in August.

I was in a zoom meeting earlier and found out what had happened, apparently three guys in their 20's returned from holiday and decided the self-isolation rule didn't apply to them, went and met some mates at a pub, which had to close for a deep clean, then went on to a house party, and general mixing in the community over several days, spreading it about.

Fucking cunts.

 

[Badgers]

Iwas in a zoom meeting earlier and found out what had happened, apparently three guys in their 20's returned from holiday and decided the self-isolation rule didn't apply to them, went and met some mates at a pub, which had to close for a deep clean, and then went on to a house party spreading it about

Assumed they will fined heavily at very least?

 

[Teaboy]

We had a hell of a spike in Worthing, after weeks of just 2 or 3 new cases a week, it shot up to 37 in the first 7 days of this month. The County Council said most the cases were linked, and they had been successful in contact tracing, the 7-day rolling average has started to drop again, and we are down to 2 cases a day, still 7 times more than in August.

I was in a zoom meeting earlier and found out what had happened, apparently three guys in their 20's returned from holiday and decided the self-isolation rule didn't apply to them, went and met some mates at a pub, which had to close for a deep clean, and then went on to a house party spreading it about.

Fucking cunts.

I said on the holiday thread at the start of summer how I thought holidays were going to be bad news and it would be better if we missed a year. The story you describe above has been repeated so many times over all around the country.

 

[LDC]

I think the confusion/dissatisfaction about the ridiculous aspects of the rules is deliberate tbh, I think they are banking on not as many people following them as last time, they're doing the bare minimum to look like they're doing something. Remember all those headlines about how the UK was 'more compliant than expected' etc.

I'm not so sure. (Also any rules like this will have bits that seem to make no sense.) I think there's quite significant internal disagreements in the Tory party and the wider establishment about how to deal with the coming months and what we have now is a holding pattern until things change and then the balance of pressure will swing towards stricter measures,