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Combating hopelessness

Happy Larry said:
They are doomed because history has shown that there has never been a successful socialist nation. Socialism is great on paper but simply doesn't work in practice. We will always put our families and other loved ones before society as a whole.
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Hello new Happy person, why are you so happy? Is no one sick /unemployed/precariously housed in your family?
Britain used to be more socialist nation post war.

For some of us putting our families first means wanting a socialist future that might favour our families and loved ones - or at lease not impoverish them/leave them uneducated/make them homeless/ destroy them. Mr Larry are you not worried about the idea in our increasing unequal society thet those without hope won't just put up with it?
 
krink said:
I'm pretty sure that we are fucked and things will just get worse.
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Thats generally how I think too - well apart from some small moments of hope things have indeed always got worse. Prepare for the worst, as I'm sure will happen.

Hang on - stop trying to cheer me up.
 
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Seems to me labour are gonna get in at the next election. Can't see how the tories can hang on. They haven't got enough to offer. The only thing they seem to have is 'not corbyn'. Which isn't enough.

Obviously there's no knowing what brexit is going to bring up, but I'm not sure that's actually got much to do with who'll vote what at the next GE. Which may well be sooner than expected.

Now whether corbyn and co can actually make a difference or not is another question. But the signs so far are pretty damn good. Labour have already changed the debate and policies.

Surely that's something to be positive about.
The IMMINENT* corbyn lead labour government :)

*only half joking.
 
friendofdorothy said:
Norway has been a fairly successful socialist country. They are very rich as a nation - since they invested their oil profits in a sovereign wealth fund for the investment in citizens future.
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Norway is a country with huge resource wealth and a small population. It has been fairly successful. But as the New York Post points out regarding the Scandinavian countries:

"There are a couple of things wrong with the Left’s romance with these countries, as Swedish analyst Nima Sanandaji notes in a recent monograph. It doesn’t fully appreciate the sources of Nordic success, or how Scandinavia has turned away from the socialism so alluring to its international admirers."
 
friendofdorothy said:
why are you so happy? Is no one sick /unemployed/precariously housed in your family?
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I was born in one of the most economically depressed towns in the North of England. It grieves me that so many people are suffering there. However, I believe that those who are really in need are suffering because much of our welfare budget is wasted on those who can support themselves but, due to their sense of entitlement and socialist mentality, prefer to live off the taxpayer.
 
Hopelessness is me sitting here contemplating suicide all night after smashing my flat up and serioyusly considering swallouing a full packet of diazapam due to the bullying and snide games of pickmans model..flaring up my PTSD, i want my account closed. Editor read my message and shut my account down before i do something even more depressing than destroying my fucking home.
 
Pac man said:
Hopelessness is me sitting here contemplating suicide all night after smashing my flat up and serioyusly considering swallouing a full packet of diazapam due to the bullying and snide games of pickmans model..flaring up my PTSD, i want my account closed. Editor read my message and shut my account down before i do something even more depressing than destroying my fucking home.
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What can we do? Anyone?
 
Pac man said:
Hopelessness is me sitting here contemplating suicide all night after smashing my flat up and serioyusly considering swallouing a full packet of diazapam due to the bullying and snide games of pickmans model..flaring up my PTSD, i want my account closed. Editor read my message and shut my account down before i do something even more depressing than destroying my fucking home.
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Where are you located? It sounds like you need some immediate help. Is there a help-line you can call?

(You should not take the opinions of posters here too seriously. We've all been here a while and sometimes its not all that friendly to newcomers. My sincere apologies.)
 
Pac man said:
Hopelessness is me sitting here contemplating suicide all night after smashing my flat up and serioyusly considering swallouing a full packet of diazapam due to the bullying and snide games of pickmans model..flaring up my PTSD, i want my account closed. Editor read my message and shut my account down before i do something even more depressing than destroying my fucking home.
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Just stick her on ignore like the rest of us!
 
Fed up of the conference eh? sad its over?

Happy Larry said:
I was born in one of the most economically depressed towns in the North of England. It grieves me that so many people are suffering there. However, I believe that those who are really in need are suffering because much of our welfare budget is wasted on those who can support themselves but, due to their sense of entitlement and socialist mentality, prefer to live off the taxpayer.
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like the old and the sick eh? We are a rich enough country, that used to provide a safety net to those suffering the misfortune of ill health, disability or unemployment. If its a culture of unemployment and taught helplessness that worries you may I remind you the mass unemployment of the Thatcher years started this , as Tories considered it a price 'price worth paying'. Neoliberal bosses invented euphamisms like down sizing to describe throwing a whole generation on the scrape heap. I am a tax payer and always have been but I'm not blind to whats going on. look deeper and don't beleive what you read in the Mail.
 
friendofdorothy said:
like the old and the sick eh?
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You obviously either didn't read or didn't understand my post :

"I believe that those who are really in need are suffering because much of our welfare budget is wasted on those who can support themselves but, due to their sense of entitlement and socialist mentality, prefer to live off the taxpayer."

It is the old and sick that are suffering because much of our Welfare Budget is spent on those who could get by without government aid.
 
Happy Larry said:
You obviously either didn't read or didn't understand my post :

"I believe that those who are really in need are suffering because much of our welfare budget is wasted on those who can support themselves but, due to their sense of entitlement and socialist mentality, prefer to live off the taxpayer."

It is the old and sick that are suffering because much of our Welfare Budget is spent on those who could get by without government aid.
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Odious shit.
 
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