Coldharbour Lane, Brixton - news and updates

[ViolentPanda]

So, just a cheap jibe then. I see.

Of course. Just as much as your own inane whine was.

 

[bimble]

Inane whining by the glass , it's the future.

 

[leanderman]

Of course. Just as much as your own inane whine was.

Thank you for demonstrating my original point.

 

[leanderman]

No, but I don't pretend to be neutral, and am open about my distaste for the sort of property speculation and rentierism that is rapidly changing local demographics.

I have consistently called here for landlordery to be much more heavily taxed. The abolition of mortgage interest relief for starters.

 

[Ms T]

They do a starter in there called a burratina which I loved, it's basically just a funny shaped lump of mozarella on a plate but it's great.

I saw someone eating it and it looked bloody lovely. It's the extra-deluxe mozzarella which is burrata, no?

 

[bimble]

I saw someone eating it and it looked bloody lovely. It's the extra-deluxe mozzarella which is burrata, no?

Don't really know what exactly it is but can confirm it's bloody lovely though, it's like a really posh mozzarella consistency on the outside and then a squidgy creamy thing going on inside.

 

[Ms T]

Don't really know what exactly it is but can confirm it's bloody lovely though, it's like a really posh mozzarella consistency on the outside and then a squidgy creamy thing going on inside.

Burrata - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You can get it in Wild Caper sometimes.

 

[alcopop]

Don't really know what exactly it is but can confirm it's bloody lovely though, it's like a really posh mozzarella consistency on the outside and then a squidgy creamy thing going on inside.

I'm fairly sure that posh mozzarella is frowned on in these parts.

 

[bimble]

I'm fairly sure that posh mozzarella is frowned on in these parts.

Yes, I know. I'm putting my hand up as a mozzarella eater which is dangerous when engaged in trench warfare. But it's true & also in aid of pointing out that maybe there aren't just "2 camps" here locked in eternal enmity sniping at eachother about eating the Wrong Food, like someone suggested earlier.

 

[editor]

Let he who has not sinned ... and all that.

This thread is about Coldharbour Lane. If you have nothing to add to that subject, leave.

 

[editor]

Y'know, we have plenty of posters across urban who have different perspectives and politics than the predominant outlook, yet they're part of the community here and are able to have a proper discussion and respect for others even when disagreement can at times get quite heated.

The Brixton forum in the last couple of years though has really become victim to a handful of posters that aren't even this, but just cheap point score, attack long-time posters, wear down Ed with nasty bile, and derail threads which document a time of massive social and economic change for this part of London. Have some fucking respect for the place some of you.

Spot on. There's important things happening and I'm fucked off seeing these threads turn into the usual pointless smear/belittle/attack-o-thons.

I'm fairly sure that posh mozzarella is frowned on in these parts.

Case in point.

 

[leanderman]

This thread is about Coldharbour Lane. If you have nothing to add to that subject, leave.

Feel free to mutually ignore, or ban.

 

[Harbourite]

Doesn't sound like it was quite as minor, according to the Standard:
Five seriously injured after jumping from windows to escape house fire

thanks

 

[bimble]

Feel free to mutually ignore, or ban.

Why would you bother posting that? Why not just go stand on coldharbour lane and start shouting 'come on then' at passersby instead. very odd.

 

[Gramsci]

More easy arguments playing to the authority of 'long-time posters' or the supposed brilliance of the thought in whatever the P&P forum is. And then the classic trolling claim.

What I see is a questioning of dubious assertions on the subject of change, gentrification and community - questioning which is met with sneers and smears.

And you are sneering at the P&P forum.

Ive learnt a lot from that forum even though I dont post up there much.

 

[leanderman]

Why would you bother posting that? Why not just go stand on coldharbour lane and start shouting 'come on then' at passersby instead. very odd.

Why would you bother posting that?

 

[bimble]

Why would you bother posting that?

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(this could go on for weeks)

 

[alcopop]

Yes, I know. I'm putting my hand up as a mozzarella eater which is dangerous when engaged in trench warfare. But it's true & also in aid of pointing out that maybe there aren't just "2 camps" here locked in eternal enmity sniping at eachother about eating the Wrong Food, like someone suggested earlier.

Just to let you know I was not trying to usually pointless smear/belittle/attack-o-thon you.

Was just being light hearted.

 

[bimble]

Just to let you know I was not trying to usually pointless smear/belittle/attack-o-thon you.

Was just being light hearted.

Ye well there's no room for that sort of thing here, expensive foreign cheese is a seriously contentious issue so get back in your trench.

 

[Gramsci]

I don't know why you're defending that minority of idiots tbh - they seem utterly incapable of putting some decent opposing arguments about the socio-economic issues related to gentrification and capital, or the change that's happening. That's why they seem to spend most of their time just making sly digs and derailing. Unless there's some sort of guilt by association going on because they're your mates irl or something I really don't know.

The reason why Brixton forum has changed is that a lot of the old posters have been pushed out of Brixton and no longer post up here.

The social- economic basis of this section of U75 has changed. As an infrequent poster here pointed out to me recently.

Issues like that arches- which imo is straightforward case- get argued about here in way that I do not experience when I talk to locals off the boards. Where its outright opposition to what NR are doing and Councils luke warm "support" of the arches.

 

[alcopop]

Ye well there's no room for that sort of thing here, expensive foreign cheese is a seriously contentious issue so get back in your trench.

I usually only eat economy mouse cheese made by people who can trace their Brixton ancestors back 10,000 years

 

[alcopop]

The reason why Brixton forum has changed is that a lot of the old posters have been pushed out of Brixton and no longer post up here.

The social- economic basis of this section of U75 has changed. As an infrequent poster here pointed out to me recently.

Issues like that arches- which imo is straightforward case- get argued about here in way that I do not experience when I talk to locals off the boards. Where its outright opposition to what NR are doing and Councils lack of luke warm support of the arches.

A lot of the posters who I remember as being very active seem to have been banned.

 

[editor]

Feel free to mutually ignore, or ban.

Or why not do something really crazy like talk about Coldharbour Lane, given that this is a thread about Coldharbour Lane. I live here. It's important to me. I don't give a shit about all the pathetic sniping and sneery point scoring.

 

[editor]

The reason why Brixton forum has changed is that a lot of the old posters have been pushed out of Brixton and no longer post up here.

The social- economic basis of this section of U75 has changed. As an infrequent poster here pointed out to me recently.

Issues like that arches- which imo is straightforward case- get argued about here in way that I do not experience when I talk to locals off the boards. Where its outright opposition to what NR are doing and Councils luke warm "support" of the arches.

That's definitely noticeable. The lack of solidarity you might expect on what would appear to be really obvious cases needing community support is quite depressing. It seems that some people would rather defend the prices of some posh cocktail bar than support long term traders fighting for their livelihoods.

 

[bimble]

I suspect that some of the stuff that gets said here is simple kneejerk contrarianism (you're all saying that so screw you I'll say this etc).
But maybe some people are going out of their way to be a bit obnoxious so that they can build up a sort of defence to feeling at all uncomfortable whilst for instance downing cocktails opposite the barrier block:
Maybe I'm a silly snowflake but the thought of doing that is just grim, it would be no fun at all, because the inequality is so in your face. I'm not a cocktail person anyway but it would take some serious wilful blindness to be totally untroubled by the context in which you're sipping your sex on the beach. Don't know if anywhere else in London is undergoing change quite as fast and as brutally as right here so its bound to be emotive defensive stuff, and not just for those who feel excluded but possibly for the 'usurpers' as well?

 

[Winot]

I'm confused Bimble. First you say this (which I agree with):

endless debates about the price of football versus cocktails is completely boring far as I can see.

But then you say this:

But maybe some people are going out of their way to be a bit obnoxious so that they can build up a sort of defence to feeling at all uncomfortable whilst for instance downing cocktails opposite the barrier block:
Maybe I'm a silly snowflake but the thought of doing that is just grim, it would be no fun at all, because the inequality is so in your face. I'm not a cocktail person anyway but it would take some serious wilful blindness to be totally untroubled by the context in which you're sipping your sex on the beach. Don't know if anywhere else in London is undergoing change quite as fast and as brutally as right here so its bound to be emotive defensive stuff, and not just for those who feel excluded but possibly for the 'usurpers' as well?

Which is fairly offensive if you think about it - you are suggesting that those of us that like drinking cocktails are wilfully blind to inequality. And yet eating posh Italian cheese is apparently OK? But - oh dear - we are back then to the endless debate comparing one thing that people like to do with their spare cash with another - which is completely boring as you say.

 

[bimble]

I'm confused Bimble. First you say this (which I agree with):



But then you say this:



Which is fairly offensive if you think about it - you are suggesting that those of us that like drinking cocktails are wilfully blind to inequality. And yet eating posh Italian cheese is apparently OK? But - oh dear - we are back then to the endless debate comparing one thing that people like to do with their spare cash with another - which is completely boring as you say.

Yep, of course cheese is not morally superior to cocktails, it's the same thing (just tastier).

My point was not about cheese being better than cocktails though.. I was trying to suggest a possible psychological explanation for why the defensiveness and consequent toxic aggression / nastiness in these local threads might exist on 'both sides of the debate', as a way of not having to think about the glaring injustice of it whilst you're tucking in to your cheese / cocktail. Maybe it was a bit of a stretch though, don't know.

 

[editor]

I'm confused Bimble. First you say this (which I agree with):



But then you say this:



Which is fairly offensive if you think about it - you are suggesting that those of us that like drinking cocktails are wilfully blind to inequality. And yet eating posh Italian cheese is apparently OK? But - oh dear - we are back then to the endless debate comparing one thing that people like to do with their spare cash with another - which is completely boring as you say.

The well off supping expensive cocktails while overlooking one of the most deprived estates in London highlights the glaring and growing inequality that is happening in this particular part of Brixton.

It raises some important questions, and it's not just about people spending their 'spare cash' either.

 

[editor]

Cop cars on CHL last night. The centre of town is insanely busy these days and full of some remarkably drunk people.

 

[Rushy]

Yep, of course cheese is not morally superior to cocktails, it's the same thing really (just tastier).

My point was not about that though.. I was trying to suggest a possible reason why the defensiveness and consequent toxic aggression / nastiness in these local threads might exist on both 'sides' for different reasons. Maybe it was a bit of a stretch though, don't know.

But were you totally untroubled by the context in which you were munching on your £5.50 ball of burrata cheese (as an indulgent precursor to your specialty pizza, no doubt, and washed back with something tasty?) If not, why not? Why did it not feel grim?

A lot of the toxicity and hostility derives from people feeling aggrieved at being painted as insufferably nasty, selfish or depraved by quite blatant hypocrites. Have a read about the narcissism of small differences. That's my guess anyway. But what would I know? I'm just a silly snowflake.