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Christian population disappearing from Middle East

I expect the End Times have finally come.

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Im not fan of poisonous organised religion but I do care about people. Its sad when anyone through whatever methods is forced to leave somewhere due to threats, killings, harassment or whatever.

If this was a thread about Palestinians being treated in that fashion by the Israelis I doubt the flippant answers about would have come.....sad really.
 
well, you're wrong. i can be flippant about anything. especially the concerns of the catholic church, murdering paedo cunts that they are.
 
Yossarian said:
They believe Jesus was a prophet, yes, but they certainly don't believe that he was the son of God.
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Therefore if you say they accept him as a prophet, (which I agree with because Issa, muslim name for Jesus is in the Koran) then according to your logic the muslims belive in two Gods? One that sent Jesus the other Muhammed?
 
Nope, they believe in one God who has sent a succession of prophets over the years, including Jesus, and Noah and Adam and others, whereas the Christians believe in a God who splits himself up into Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
 
Take a good look at what the Zionists have done to Bethlehem;

Open Bethlehem is a civil society initiative established to respond to the state of emergency in Bethlehem as the wall is going up turning a city that resonates with millions of people around the world into a 21st century prison.

http://www.openbethlehem.org/
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Leave your message on the wall.
 
Yossarian said:
Nope, they believe in one God who has sent a succession of prophets over the years, including Jesus, and Noah and Adam and others, whereas the Christians believe in a God who splits himself up into Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
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So ONE GOD has sent both prophets...therefore they belive in the same God.

Are you seriouly telling me that the Koran bigs up ANOTHER God by exhaulting Jesus...I think not. They Both belive in the SAME God, it's just that the Muslims do not belive Jesus/Issa is the last prophet. It's the detail that they dont agree on.

The Muslim Nation is more Worthy of ‘Issa than all others
The one who claims that ‘Issa (AS) is God, or that ‘Issa (AS) is the Son of God, or that God is a Trinity that includes ‘Issa is in fact the most distant from the teachings of ‘Issa (AS) even if he calls himself a devout Christian. Claiming love for someone implies that you adhere to what that individual stood for and called to. ‘Issa (AS) was never one who claimed any one of the previous three statements for himself. In fact neither did his true followers.
For this to become clear we will analyze four main points:
1. The Prophets of Allah are all Related.
2. The Only accepted Deen (Religious Way of Life) is Islam.
3. ‘Issa was but a humble Messenger and Prophet of Allah.
4. ‘Issa distances himself from the slander and unjustified claims of Christians.
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Source: http://www.islaam.com/Article.aspx?id=547
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Sure, there's a bit of overlap, but I don't think you'll find many Christians or Muslims who believe that Allah and Yahweh are the same god - and it's not as if either of them actually exist, is it?
 
Yossarian said:
Sure, there's a bit of overlap, but I don't think you'll find many Christians or Muslims who believe that Allah and Yahweh are the same god - and it's not as if either of them actually exist, is it?
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A lot of Muslims do (they dont exsit but on sociological/political terms it's worth knowing) Here's a thread start from a Muslim Forum called Jews for Allah (I kid you not)

In The Name Of Allah, The Majestic, The Mighty

My Brothers And Sisters,

Peace, Mercy And Blessings Of Allah AlMighty Be Upon All Of You!

Who out of you knows that Allah is basically the God of Jews while they know Him not ?

Nobel Qur'an 26:48 The Lord of Moses and Aaron.

Hebrew word "Elohim" is used for God in Bible (Gen 1:1)

The Hebrew plural "Elohim" is generally known as the plural of “majesty” and is the ordinary name for God .... {International Standard Bible Encyclopedia (ISBE)}

"Eloah" is the singular form of "Elohim" .... {Easton's Bible Dictionary}

"Eloah" in hebrew and "Elah" in Arabic and "Eloi" in Aramaic. Three words used in three different languages for the same purpose (i.e to call God).

How much different is in these three words keeping in mind that these are the words of three different languages of three different eras ? "Eloah", "Elah" and "Eloi".

"Allah" is an arabic word which is the compound of two words "Al" and "Elah".

{ "Al" in Arabic = "The" in English } and { "Elah" in Arabic = "God" in English }

Al + Elah = AlElah = The God

According to Arabic grammer, letter "E" in "AlElah" is silent. In Arabic silent words are neither written nor spoken.

AlElah = Allah {"E" is silent} = The God {in English}

Elohim, commonly translated God in our version, and Jehovah, translated Lord. Elohim is the plural of Eloah, in Arabic, Allah; it is often used in the short form, El, (a word signifying strength, as in El-Shaddai, God Almighty, the name by which God was specially known to the patriarchs. Gen_17:1; Gen_28:3; Exo_6:3 ..... {Smith's Bible Dictionary}

The first form of the Divine name in the Bible is “Elohim”, ordinarily translated “God”. The derivation of this word is quite uncertain. Gesenius, Ewald and others find its origin in "Ul" "to be strong". Others trace it to "Alah". BDB inclines to the derivation from "Alah" “to be strong,” .... {International Standard Bible Encyclopedia (ISBE)}

Personality is the same but words are a bit different in different languages to indicate HIM. This is the only reason that the word "Allah" is used in Arabic Bible for the word "God".

In Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, the three religions rooted in the biblical tradition, God is conceived primarily in terms of his transcendence, personality, and unity ...... {Microsoft ® Encarta ® Encyclopedia 2005 © 1993-2004 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved}
Noble Qur'an 17:110 Say: "Call upon Allah, or call upon Rahman: by whatever name ye call upon Him, (it is well): for to Him belong the Most Beautiful Names."

Allah (El, Eloi, Elah, Eloh, Alah) is not just of Arabs or Muslims but He is basically of Jews.

Noble Qur'an 26:43 Moses said unto them: Throw what ye are going to throw!

Noble Qur'an 26:44 Then they threw down their cords and their staves and said: By Pharaoh's might, lo! we verily are the winners

Noble Qur'an 26:45 Then Moses threw his staff and lo! it swallowed that which they did falsely show.

Noble Qur'an 26:46 And the wizards were flung prostrate,

Noble Qur'an 26:47 Crying: We believe in the Lord of the Worlds,

Noble Qur'an 26:48 The Lord of Moses and Aaron.

And My Brothers And Sisters! Do you know that Allah is still looking their way. No doubt Jews were the chosen ones and yet Allah loves them.

Allah said to Jews in His First Testament ....

Deuteronomy 7:6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

Deuteronomy 7:9 Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;

Deuteronomy 7:12 Wherefore it shall come to pass, if ye hearken to these judgments, and keep, and do them, that the LORD thy God shall keep unto thee the covenant and the mercy which he sware unto thy fathers:

And Allah (YehWah) is reminding those to whome He loved (and still loves) in His Final Testament (Noble Qur'an).....

Noble Qur'an 2:40 O Children of Israel! Remember My favor wherewith I favored you, and fulfil your (part of the) covenant, I shall fulfil My (part of the) covenant and fear Me.
What an example of love YehWah (Allah AlMighty) have established.

My Muslim Brothers and Sister! Are you not feel Jealousy ? Our cousins (Jews) are still required. Allah AlMighty has yet not filled vacencies while billions of Muslims can be seen on the face of earth.

My Sugession : keep unto thee the covenant (of Noble Qur'an 3:110) otherwise Allah AlMighty has another option ....... talking about our cousians (Jews)
Peace, Mercy And Blessings Of Allah AlMighty Be Upon All Of You!
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Source : http://www.jews-for-allah.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=3543&sid=1966528da497443939e6e5747e1d0a56
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Also the Jewish/xtian/Muslim religions are called Abrahamic for a reason...they have the same root...ie, Abraham (who erected the Kabbah, apparently)
 
nino_savatte said:
Aw, shame eh? I don't suppose you know about the religious composition of Palestine - do you?
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I do know the Christian composition, does that appease you?

The Palestinian Christians are Palestinians who follow Christianity. They make up 1.6% population of Palestine, according to Bernard Sabella. Prior to the establishment of the state of Israel, approximately 10% of Palestine's population was Christian.
 
Christian Man said:
I do know the Christian composition, does that appease you?

The Palestinian Christians are Palestinians who follow Christianity. They make up 1.6% population of Palestine, according to Bernard Sabella. Prior to the establishment of the state of Israel, approximately 10% of Palestine's population was Christian.
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"Appease" me? You haven't used that word correctly btw. Surely you mean "please" me. At any rate, I'm not sure what you're getting at here...unless you're a rapturist (and I suspect that you are).
 
nino_savatte said:
"Appease" me? You haven't used that word correctly btw. Surely you mean "please" me. At any rate, I'm not sure what you're getting at here...unless you're a rapturist (and I suspect that you are).
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I meant appease.

I am actually not a 'rapturist'. The word rapture is not in the Bible. The idea largely came from an English guy named Darby in the 18th century and later became more popular in the late 1900's. All the Bible really says is that when Jesus comes back during the end times Christians will meet him in the air. I think Christians will be needed most on earth during the end times not taken away before we may be needed most. I do think Christians will be protected in some form or fashion during these troubled times which is a large component of the idea of 'rapture'.
 
Christian Man said:
I meant appease.

I am actually not a 'rapturist'. The word rapture is not in the Bible. The idea largely came from an English guy named Darby in the 18th century and later became more popular in the late 1900's. All the Bible really says is that when Jesus comes back during the end times Christians will meet him in the air. I think Christians will be needed most on earth during the end times not taken away before we may be needed most. I do think Christians will be protected in some form or fashion during these troubled times which is a large component of the idea of 'rapture'.
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It doesn't matter whether you say you're a rapturist or not, you began this thread with a particular agenda in mind; an agenda that is remarkably similar to the rapturist's agenda.

What you say about Xtians being "protected" is the same sort of claptrap the ancients and the medievals used to say about themselves. When it came time for this marvellous "protection" they were left high and dry and had to contemplate their faith...of course they always came back to the same conclusion - more fools them

The Virgin Mary was the patron saint/protector of Constantinople. When the icon of her likeness was paraded around the city's walls in May 1453, it was believed that this icon alone would protect the city from the Ottomans. It didn't, the last Byzantine emperor, Constantine XI Paleologus was slain and the city fell to the Turks.

You're living in a time that no longer exists.
 
Christian Man said:
I meant appease.

I am actually not a 'rapturist'. The word rapture is not in the Bible. The idea largely came from an English guy named Darby in the 18th century and later became more popular in the late 1900's. All the Bible really says is that when Jesus comes back during the end times Christians will meet him in the air. I think Christians will be needed most on earth during the end times not taken away before we may be needed most. I do think Christians will be protected in some form or fashion during these troubled times which is a large component of the idea of 'rapture'.
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Jesus isn't coming back, whilst you're waiting a bunch of thugs going by the name of 'politicians' are fucking up the planet. I'd suggest God won't save us, we have to save ourselves.......
 
nino_savatte said:
It doesn't matter whether you say you're a rapturist or not, you began this thread with a particular agenda in mind; an agenda that is remarkably similar to the rapturist's agenda.

What you say about Xtians being "protected" is the same sort of claptrap the ancients and the medievals used to say about themselves. When it came time for this marvellous "protection" they were left high and dry and had to contemplate their faith...of course they always came back to the same conclusion - more fools them

The Virgin Mary was the patron saint/protector of Constantinople. When the icon of her likeness was paraded around the city's walls in May 1453, it was believed that this icon alone would protect the city from the Ottomans. It didn't, the last Byzantine emperor, Constantine XI Paleologus was slain and the city fell to the Turks.

You're living in a time that no longer exists.
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Left wing and related idealogy states that various societal values and ethics will 'protect' those followers, in fact name one thing you believe that doesn't have a facet of protection either hidden or blatant about it.

The agenda of my thread is to point out cleansing from the middle east. Nino, your prejudice blinds you as if this were a story about Native Americans or Aboriginals and their culture/religion being displaced and replaced you would not be so antagonistic. Why?
 
Christian Man said:
Left wing and related idealogy states that various societal values and ethics will 'protect' those followers, in fact name one thing you believe that doesn't have a facet of protection either hidden or blatant about it.

The agenda of my thread is to point out cleansing from the middle east. Nino, your prejudice blinds you as if this were a story about Native Americans or Aboriginals and their culture/religion being displaced and replaced you would not be so antagonistic. Why?
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Ah, now we're getting somewhere. You've betrayed your motives in the first sentence.

It's easy to accuse me of prejudice when your thesis is shaky. In fact, it's nothing less than intellectual dishonesty on your part. Now deal with the issue, this is blatant propaganda that has been put out by a certain organ to stir up trouble and justify more brutality and the expurgation of your hated nemesis: the Muslims...or will you deny this?

The original form of christianity and right wing ideologies are incompatible. You realise that Christ was a socialist, don't you?:D
 
You're trying to sidestep the debate with jibber jabber, come back when you're serious. You have not named one of your ethics or societal values because you don't want to be exposed. Let me know when you're in a more candid mood.
 
Christian Man said:
You're trying to sidestep the debate with jibber jabber, come back when you're serious. You have not named one of your ethics or societal values because you don't want to be exposed. Let me know when you're in a more candid mood.
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I am serious and I'm not sidestepping anything. Try reading and comprehending for a change instead of reading the things that you want to see.

My personal ideological beliefs have fuck all to do with this and your insistence that I declare some sort of belief smacks of you wanting to control the discourse. In that respect you are no better than mears who uses the same tactic when things get sticky for him. it's a ploy that betrays the level of your dishonesty.

Deal with it.
 
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surely it's a bad thing that people are leaving the middle east cos they are'nt allowed to practice their religion

i don't have any time for religious wankers of any faith, but i don't see how this has turned into a 'have a pop at christians' thread
 
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