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bmd

Island in the stream.
I have just begun to produce electronic music. I am doing this for me, with a view to playing out eventually. Say, 2 years time. I want to be able to get the tunes in my head laid out, as quickly as possible and then to take them right through to mixing and mastering. I'm not bothered about releasing anything but I will if it makes my goal of playing out more likely.

Goals:
  • learn electronic music production.
  • Sketch out ideas for individual tracks without losing the initial feeling of what I'm trying to say (play? Sound like?).
  • Understand my workflow.
  • Understand it well enough to quickly evaluate new tools for incorporation into it.
  • Stop buying stuff and start making music.
  • List what I need to learn in order of importance to my goal of learning electronic music production.
  • Stop posting on Urban instead of learning stuff.
I'll update my list as I go.

I would love it if there were others on here to talk about this stuff with, learn from, bounce ideas off etc. Obviously you post whatever you want, no need for lists or goals or whatever.
 
I produced electronic music for years, mainly of the house/techno ilk. Still got loads of gear - MPC, various synths, mixing desk, fx units etc, but all in storage. Current living situation does not allow for any of this, so am weighing up a new laptop at the moment and just going back to basics with some software. Many moons ago I started out making music on Reason, so may go down that route again - a mate who still uses it advises me that most of the initial limitations of it (no audio recording, no control over external MIDI units etc) have now been implemented. It was always quick and easy to knock an idea together, plus if at some point I get all my hardware out of storage, it should be relatively simple to sync everything up and keep working on the same projects. Ableton is also a consideration, or Logic/Cubase (strongly considering a Mac for the first time), so welcome any good info from people using one or any of the above platforms.
 
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I produced electronic music for years, mainly of the house/techno ilk. Still got loads of gear - MPC, various synths, mixing desk, fx units etc, but all in storage. Current living situation does not allow for any of this, so am weighing up a new laptop at the moment and just going back to basics with some software. Many moons ago I started out making music on Reason, so may go down that route again - a mate who still uses it advises me that most of the initial limitations of it (no audio recording, no control over external MIDI units etc) have now been implemented. It was always quick and easy to knock an idea together, plus if at some point I get all my hardware out of storage, it should be relatively simple to sync everything up and keep working on the same projects. Ableton is also a consideration, or Logic/Cubase (strongly considering a Mac for the first time), so welcome any good info from people using one or any of the above platforms.

I was about to say something about Reason having been left choking on the dust of other DAWs' features but then I remembered that we're making and recording sound and Reason does that and doing that is a very personal thing. No one can tell me what I should be using. They can give me info on stuff but what I've realised is that workflow is everything and if I attempt to reproduce yours then I will move away from mine and consequently my sound.
 
I would be grateful for any resources posted here, including samples, software, tutorials, YT channels etc.

I am focusing on the iPad right now as my primary DAW host. I'm learning Garageband and Beatmaker3 on there but also have a tiny amount of knowledge of Ableton and Bitwig 3. Both on a W10 laptop.

The iPad is connected to a USB 3 hub via a Dragonfly Black DAC and the hub also has a Behringer 204HD audio interface plugged into it which is connected to a Xenyx 1204FX mixer. I have one monitor right now, a JBL Pro 308p MK II, I was going to buy the other one when I got paid at the end of March but present circumstances changed that.

MIDI-wise I have an Arturia Keystep and an Akai LPD for pads/knobs.

Behringer K2 synth and a Teenage Engineering OP 19 drum machine is the only hardware I have. I also have a W10 laptop Intel i5, 8GB RAM, 1TB SSD. Old W10 desktop with 16GB RAM and a couple of 1TB drives. External 1TB SSD plugged into the iPad via a powered USB C hub and a couple of 32GB Micro SD cards for transferring between the computers.
 
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I've been a bit on / off over the years. Ssince buying Reaper have been trying to go about the whole thing more seriously, finish tunes, learn more about what I'm doing rather than just relying on a preset.

Reaper is fucking amazing. Might not have the fanciest plugins but has good stock ones and of supports VST, VST3, even DX.

There's loads of free general production info on YT etc. Groove3 (not free) do some good tutorial videos, often on deals.
I read a great book, the Mixing Engineer's Handbook by Bobby Yousinkski about general mixing, different genres, leading pros methods and tricks.

Still not quite melded the various things I like to play into a cohesive whole but that's probably pretty common...
 
I keep thinking about trying Reaper. People who become proficient at it seem quite taken with it. Evangelical, almost. :) I guess I was looking for a DAW that I clicked with. I am coming to the understanding that it's more about reading the manual and getting to a place of proficiency through putting the hours in, not some magical, ephemeral shortcut.
 
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watches and learns

Most of my music production energies are going into LMMS and Audacity at the moment. I could do with a cheap condenser mic, because I really don't think recording audio on my phone is anywhere near ideal... :D
 
watches and learns

Most of my music production energies are going into LMMS and Audacity at the moment. I could do with a cheap condenser mic, because I really don't think recording audio on my phone is anywhere near ideal... :D
what would you use the mic for?
 
I've recently ordered a Soundcraft Signature 12 mtk. Bascially so I can plug


Dynamic but what about the good old Shure SM58 or 58 Beta?

I was looking at a CAD M179 for acoustic guitar a while ago. But then the price went up and I realised it would probably pick up all sorts of unwanted noise in my studio... (Living room.)
An SM58 would make sense as I could also use it as a stage mike. Either way, any microphone is going to be beyond my budget for the time being, so at least I've got the phone to do it with. And vocals aren't my main thing anyway...
 
It's a free Digital Audio Workstation (DAW)!!! A vital piece of kit for putting a track together, imo.

What's it like existentialist?
Well, I'm no music tech - I play stuff, rather than computering it. But, having had various goes at the offerings in Ubuntu Studio and not got very far, LMMS seemed to offer a pretty rapid learning curve, and I ended up putting together some nice loops (once I'd downloaded some not-completely-awful soundfonts) with drums, bass, and acoustic guitar. It's fairly obviously synthesised, but good enough to work with.

The interface is not - to me at least - entirely intuitive, and there's some definitely clunky bits, but I'm using it very happily!

The sound engineering workspace:
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An SM58 would make sense as I could also use it as a stage mike. Either way, any microphone is going to be beyond my budget for the time being, so at least I've got the phone to do it with. And vocals aren't my main thing anyway...

This might be worth a look.

Oh yeah I started writing a post then forgot this new version keeps stuff in the edit box. Pain in the arse. Anyway, I just ordered a Soundcraft Signature 12mtk.
So I can leave everything plugged in rather than the current ugly daisy chain business and also use as a mixer if recording at my mate's house. Something we'd been planning to do before this lock down stuff.
 
Slightly related, all these drum machine samples are free right now...
 
Slightly related, all these drum machine samples are free right now...

Nice one. Can't quite believe they're giving these away. They're like a basic starter pack for drum samples.
 
My goal today is to continue watching and learning Analog Synthesis in a Digital World by Richard Lainhart. If you're completely broke you can watch 5 episodes a day for nowt. That's not actualy a bad way to learn this stuff, imo.

I want to make my own sounds via sythesiser patches. A synth patch is basically, turn this knob that way, slide that up to 7.5 and you'll get this sound out of it. I have got lots of loops and I can make a tune out of them but I always end up with a sequence of loops and that's it. I have no knowledge of how to take it further. I thought that if I learnt how to program a synth, what that entailed, then I would be in a much better place to continue with a track, rather than wondering if that sample pack contains anything that could finish off my tune.
 
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My goal today is to continue watching and learning Analog Synthesis in a Digital World by Richard Lainhart. If you're completely broke you can watch 5 episodes a day for nowt. That's not actualy a bad way to learn this stuff, imo.

I want to make my own sounds via sythesiser patches. A synth patch is basically, turn this knob that way, slide that up to 7.5 and you'll get this sound out of it. I have got lots of loops and I can make a tune out of them but I always end up with a sequence of loops and that's it. I have no knowledge of how to take it further. I thought that if I learnt how to program a synth, what that entailed, then I would be in a much better place to continue with a track than wondering if that sample pack contains anything that could finish off my tune.
I used to be well into all that synthesiser tech when I was young, and fascinated by the intricacies of sawtooth generators, VCOs, and so on. But I never really bridged across from that interest to the point of making music with it. I guess it depends which end you're coming at it from, and as someone who could already make quite passable analogue noises, learning a really complex system of doing the same electronically never quite had the same draw...

So I'm probably - without setting out to be - a bit more of a sequencers-and-samples person when it comes to the electronic stuff.
 
I would like to say I've learnt a really complex sound synthesis system. Hopefully, one day, I will. I'll have to get on with learning the basics first though. :D :rolleyes:
 
My goal today is to continue watching and learning Analog Synthesis in a Digital World by Richard Lainhart. If you're completely broke you can watch 5 episodes a day for nowt. That's not actualy a bad way to learn this stuff, imo.

I want to make my own sounds via sythesiser patches. A synth patch is basically, turn this knob that way, slide that up to 7.5 and you'll get this sound out of it. I have got lots of loops and I can make a tune out of them but I always end up with a sequence of loops and that's it. I have no knowledge of how to take it further. I thought that if I learnt how to program a synth, what that entailed, then I would be in a much better place to continue with a track, rather than wondering if that sample pack contains anything that could finish off my tune.
what synth are you working on today?
 
My goal today is to continue watching and learning Analog Synthesis in a Digital World by Richard Lainhart. If you're completely broke you can watch 5 episodes a day for nowt. That's not actualy a bad way to learn this stuff, imo.

I want to make my own sounds via sythesiser patches. A synth patch is basically, turn this knob that way, slide that up to 7.5 and you'll get this sound out of it. I have got lots of loops and I can make a tune out of them but I always end up with a sequence of loops and that's it. I have no knowledge of how to take it further. I thought that if I learnt how to program a synth, what that entailed, then I would be in a much better place to continue with a track, rather than wondering if that sample pack contains anything that could finish off my tune.
This was an excellent series when it was printed(!)
Well worth a read.
 
My goal today is to continue watching and learning Analog Synthesis in a Digital World by Richard Lainhart. If you're completely broke you can watch 5 episodes a day for nowt. That's not actualy a bad way to learn this stuff, imo.

I want to make my own sounds via sythesiser patches. A synth patch is basically, turn this knob that way, slide that up to 7.5 and you'll get this sound out of it. I have got lots of loops and I can make a tune out of them but I always end up with a sequence of loops and that's it. I have no knowledge of how to take it further. I thought that if I learnt how to program a synth, what that entailed, then I would be in a much better place to continue with a track, rather than wondering if that sample pack contains anything that could finish off my tune.

I guess he's covering this in those vids. But read up on subtractive synthasis. (sp) It's the basis for a lot of analogue and virtual analogue synths.

A typical signal flow. some synths will have more, some less.

First in the signal path. Your noise generators. Oscilators, VCOs, voltage controlled oscilators. Possibly a noise generator for whitenoise, pink noise etc.
Let's say you have 2 oscilators and a noise generator.
You can choose square, sawtooth or triangle for each osc.
You can set the pitch and tuning for each independently.
You can adjust the shape independently.
You might be able to sync the cycle of the waveforms together.
You can turn on some white noise.

Next, the mixer:
You can set the levels for the 2 oscs and noise

Next, a filter:
You might have more than one filter and might be able to change what type. Let's keep it simple. We've just got a lowpass.

You can adjust the resonance and cutoff frequency level.
You might be able to adjust the sloap. Typically 12 or 24db. These have different characteristics.

Finally, amplifier:
Next in the signal path is the amplifier. You can set ADSR characteristics for this. i.e. short stabby sounds, to string swell type sounds to constant noise whilst you keep a key pressed..

Then you probably got 1 or more Low Frequency Oscilators LFOs. You can adjust the cycle rate, depth and target for these. e.g. you might target one at the pitch and set a fast cycle rate for a wabbley sort of sound.
Target the frequency for a wah type effect.
You might set it to the waveshape of the oscilators, to get a sort of phasing in and out type sound.

This is only a relatively simple synth.

With a modular setup you have all those elements in separate units and mix and match them. Prefering a particular filter module, or oascilator.

Then have effects. Never mind changing how the keyboard interacts with everything. Porta mento, key tracking for the filter, microtuning.
 
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