Change UK: Chuka Umunna resigns from Labour party and launches Independent Group

[treelover]

Heidi Allen has just come out against railway nationalisation, not exactly in tune with the public mood then.

 

[killer b]

Heidi Allen has just come out against railway nationalisation, not exactly in tune with the public mood then.

They've just worked out their growth market is sensible tory centrists is all.

 

[Lord Camomile]

Missed the question, but in response to Reese-Mogg, Soubry just said "the majority of [her constituency] did not vote Conservative, and as an MP I represent all my constituents".

Not sure it's very wise to introduce that argument in the current context...

 

[SpookyFrank]

Heidi Allen has just come out against railway nationalisation, not exactly in tune with the public mood then.

Well that's a guaranteed vote winner, and well worthy of the name Change UK.

 

[Kaka Tim]

their polling isn't too looking too great - sub 5%. and apparently some of those have polled were pro-leavers who said they'd vote for them based purely on their name.

 

[kenny g]

In our fast forwards political arena they seem heading for a remarkably quick SDPish future. Look forwards to watching them lose their seats.

 

[gosub]

In our fast forwards political arena they seem heading for a remarkably quick SDPish future. Look forwards to watching them lose their seats.

Think they might make gains in other areas

 

[andysays]

Think they might make gains in other areas

Really? I'd be fascinated to hear which other areas you think they're likely to make actual gains in (which I take to mean winning actual seats) either in the so-to-be-held Euro elections or in the next GE

 

[gosub]

Really? I'd be fascinated to hear which other areas you think they're likely to make actual gains in (which I take to mean winning actual seats) either in the so-to-be-held Euro elections or in the next GE

I'm currently in North East Hants - largest tory majority in the Commons, voted 52% remain, with a staunch ERG supporting MP , to the point local UKIIP dissolved itself. The council is NOC, but thats purely because the Lib Dems in the largest town here grasped it is a tainted brand and stood as a rebranded NIMBY group.
Labour don't get a look in.. Ummuna/Soubry lot potentially could shake up local politics here more than anything else in decades.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

whenever these cancer and vermin talk about their ‘political values’ I am reminded of this:

 

[agricola]

So Stephen Dorrell, then?

 

[tim]

Think they might make gains in other areas

No!

 

[tim]

So Stephen Dorrell, then?

Dorrel Defecating could be a game changer for other has-beens from the 80s and 90s seeking a last 15 seconds of political change.

 

[likesfish]

so what is chukka going to do with his post political career?
tv
selling face cream

 

[Argonia]

My bet is he'll work for a hedge fund

 

[teqniq]

He already has at least one well-paid consultancy.

 

[SpookyFrank]

their polling isn't too looking too great - sub 5%. and apparently some of those have polled were pro-leavers who said they'd vote for them based purely on their name.

And minor parties usually do less well than polling would suggest IIRC, on account of people changing their minds in the booth and picking a safe /familliar option instead.

 

[agricola]

so what is chukka going to do with his post political career?
tv
selling face cream

I have a recurring nightmare that he will go down the direct entry Superintendent route.

 

[likesfish]

well he talks in management bollocks so would be a slide in

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Currently meeting with fellow racist, neo-liberal Nancy Pelosi:

 

[andysays]

I'm currently in North East Hants - largest tory majority in the Commons, voted 52% remain, with a staunch ERG supporting MP , to the point local UKIIP dissolved itself. The council is NOC, but thats purely because the Lib Dems in the largest town here grasped it is a tainted brand and stood as a rebranded NIMBY group.
Labour don't get a look in.. Ummuna/Soubry lot potentially could shake up local politics here more than anything else in decades.

All eyes on NE Hants next time then...

 

[agricola]

Currently meeting with fellow racist, neo-liberal Nancy Pelosi:

It will be at least interesting to learn who paid for that trip.

 

[gosub]

All eyes on NE Hants next time then...

Politics is broken and the fissures are intersting. I doubt Ranal will lose his seat but its ripe for a mix up. Also an interesting area in Tory heartland that has no sub identity beyond English not like the Geirdies Londobers Welsh etc So an obstercal to federal UK which enough people who voted No in the Scottish referendum were holding out for.


Everywhere is different, but can't see things will go back to how things were. The genie is out of the bottle

 

[Balbi]

No Chuka but you've got Mike 'MIWK' Gapes front and centre there...

 

[butchersapron]

Voice of the youth.

 

[andysays]

Politics is broken and the fissures are intersting. I doubt Ranal will lose his seat but its ripe for a mix up. Also an interesting area in Tory heartland that has no sub identity beyond English not like the Geirdies Londobers Welsh etc So an obstercal to federal UK which enough people who voted No in the Scottish referendum were holding out for.


Everywhere is different, but can't see things will go back to how things were. The genie is out of the bottle

Not sure how any of that points to Chuka's chums as likely to make actual gains, TBH

 

[butchersapron]

Currently meeting with fellow racist, neo-liberal Nancy Pelosi:

 

[Wilf]

Corbyn looks quite anxious about the hot cross buns.

 

[butchersapron]

He's wondering where the toaster is. And who is is this strong mad woman in front of me.

 

[gosub]

Not sure how any of that points to Chuka's chums as likely to make actual gains, TBH

I not sure gains as such, many of the MP"s that split will lose their seats.. But I think they could take others say assuming Kate Joey keeps her candidacy who does a hunt sabing pro EU Labour voter in her constuency vote for (shall find out Saturday) The dynamics on the fissure on that side are different but still in play.


The biggest draw backs to new parties are funding (and I suspect this mob have easy access to cash (as WS Burroughs advised "watch whose money you pick up") And media coverage the formula for that, based on previous votes, screws them - but social media is a bigger thing these days, and while it won't be enough to help dissemi ate their message its a strong enough platform for them to get over how heavily the deck is stacked, which helps them