Change UK: Chuka Umunna resigns from Labour party and launches Independent Group

[Pickman's model]

Looks like Sasaferrato is heading to the South Atlantic canal network too...

by no means, he's going to be working on the drainage of falkland sound



a new and prestigious public space will be opened where now the waters of falkland sound are found. Sasaferrato will be equipped with bucket and spade. a number of former people have expressed interest in this exciting project so he won't be on his own for long!

 

[elbows]

Colonel LeftBaiter has left his colostomy bag in the microwave again.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Out of (feigned) interest, who do you think is a traditional Labour supporter?

As the interest is feigned, I can't be arsed to answer.

 

[Sasaferrato]

by no means, he's going to be working on the drainage of falkland sound

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a new and prestigious public space will be opened where now the waters of falkland sound are found. Sasaferrato will be equipped with bucket and spade. a number of former people have expressed interest in this exciting project so he won't be on his own for long!

I've been there. A goodly number of my colleagues remain there.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Colonel LeftBaiter has left his colostomy bag in the microwave again.

So glad to see that you find such a major life event so humorous. Loss of a limb must be a real buzz for you.

 

[belboid]

Really? Is that the totality of your argument? Risible.

BTW ad hom is not, and never will be an argument winner. It is an indicator of paucity and ability of response.

'fuck off' isn't an ad hominem.

If I'd written 'fuck off you disingenuous tory twat' then that would have been an ad hominem.

But 'fuck off' is just 'fuck off'.

Thank you.

 

[two sheds]

BTW ad hom is not, and never will be an argument winner. It is an indicator of paucity and ability of response.

Errrm isn't that ad hom?

It's also an indicator of: you wouldn't listen so why should we bother?

 

[Sasaferrato]

so the many thousands who voted for corbyn not once but twice to be leader are iyo not traditional labour supporters.

No traditional Labour supporter would vote for the cesspit that the party has become.

The arrivistes are not Labour supporters, they are hard left opportunists, who have hijacked the party which could have been of help to many. They have destroyed the prospect of a much needed socialist government.

 

[Sasaferrato]

'fuck off' isn't an ad hominem.

If I'd written 'fuck off you disingenuous tory twat' then that would have been an ad hominem.

But 'fuck off' is just 'fuck off'.

Thank you.

You fail to grasp that it is the insulted who judges the insult, not the person doing the insulting.

 

[butchersapron]

No traditional Labour supporter would vote for the cesspit that the party has become.

The arrivistes are not Labour supporters, they are hard left opportunists, who have hijacked the party which could have been of help to many. They have destroyed the prospect of a much needed socialist government.

Whole lot of people suddenly became 18 between 2015 and 2017 then. About 10-12 million. Do you think that this is what happened?

 

[8ball]

You fail to grasp that it is the insulted who judges the insult, not the person doing the insulting.

Certainly on Twitter that is true.

 

[Pickman's model]

No traditional Labour supporter would vote for the cesspit that the party has become.

The arrivistes are not Labour supporters, they are hard left opportunists, who have hijacked the party which could have been of help to many. They have destroyed the prospect of a much needed socialist government.

no they haven't, being as labour under wilson, callaghan, foot, kinnock, smith, blair, brown, miliband and indeed corbyn has never offered such a prospect.

 

[Sue]

They have destroyed the prospect of a much needed socialist government.

Wait, what?

 

[8ball]

Whole lot of people suddenly became 18 between 2015 and 2017 then. About 10-12 million. Do you think that this is what happened?

I knew this age self-identification thing would open a can of worms.

 

[03gills]

No traditional Labour supporter would vote for the cesspit that the party has become.

The arrivistes are not Labour supporters, they are hard left opportunists, who have hijacked the party which could have been of help to many. They have destroyed the prospect of a much needed socialist government.

Oh, fuck off.

 

[Sasaferrato]

no they haven't, being as labour under wilson, callaghan, foot, kinnock, smith, blair, brown, miliband and indeed corbyn has never offered such a prospect.

Whatever.

 

[belboid]

You fail to grasp that it is the insulted who judges the insult, not the person doing the insulting.

Most words and phrases have meanings that can be easily looked up by anyone to see if they are being used appropriately. It's not for you to decide. And that goes for 'integrity' as well as 'ad hominem'

 

[elbows]

No traditional Labour supporter would vote for the cesspit that the party has become.

The arrivistes are not Labour supporters, they are hard left opportunists, who have hijacked the party which could have been of help to many. They have destroyed the prospect of a much needed socialist government.

I think you know fuck all about traditional Labour supproters. There are some who do not like Corbyn or the policy direction, but they are a subset of the group, not the entire base.

I struggle to understand what the idea of a socialist government is to you, since anything to the left of the right seems to be written off as 'hard left' to you, you blowhard know nothing.

 

[killer b]

a much needed socialist government.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Wait, what?

We need a period of re-balance.

The current government are beyond deplorable, especially with regard to the destruction of the welfare system.

A socialist government is required to bring the 'pendulum' back to the center especially with regard to welfare and employment law.

Labour is so toxic at the moment, that they would be unlikely to win an election were one to be called tomorrow, which given the state of the current government is beyond astonishing.

 

[Sasaferrato]

a much needed socialist government.

Yes.

 

[Sasaferrato]

I think you know fuck all about traditional Labour supproters. There are some who do not like Corbyn or the policy direction, but they are a subset of the group, not the entire base.

I struggle to understand what the idea of a socialist government is to you, since anything to the left of the right seems to be written off as 'hard left' to you, you blowhard know nothing.

This from someone who feels that a person with a colostomy is an object of mirth.

 

[killer b]

How would a socialist government be achieved by Labour, except via a socialist leadership? I don't understand. Which other current in the parliamentary party do you imagine would deliver anything like a socialist manifesto?

 

[Sasaferrato]

Oh, fuck off.

So eloquent.

 

[danny la rouge]

a much needed socialist government.

Can you outline some of the things that would qualify this hypothetical government as socialist?

 

[Sue]

We need a period of re-balance.

The current government are beyond deplorable, especially with regard to the destruction of the welfare system.

A socialist government is required to bring the 'pendulum' back to the center especially with regard to welfare and employment law.

Labour is so toxic at the moment, that they would be unlikely to win an election were one to be called tomorrow, which given the state of the current government is beyond astonishing.

And the thread takes a (completely unexpected) Invasion of the Bodysnatchers/V-esque turn...

 

[elbows]

This from someone who feels that a person with a colostomy is an object of mirth.

The humour was supposed to stem from the vision of a colostomy bag exploding in a microwave, and the equating of this with a forum thread being stunk up with your shit. It probably wasnt a very good attempt, but it certainly didnt resemble a joke about colostomy bag users in general.

 

[Pickman's model]

by no means, he's going to be working on the drainage of falkland sound

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a new and prestigious public space will be opened where now the waters of falkland sound are found. Sasaferrato will be equipped with bucket and spade. a number of former people have expressed interest in this exciting project so he won't be on his own for long!

this map better illustrates the plan, to erect barriers through falkland sound by white rock bay in the north and from speedwell island to East Falkland in the east and across to West Falkland via several small islets in the sound. once these walls are built, the water between them will be removed at first by hand and then, when funds are available, perhaps with footpumps.

 

[elbows]

Can you outline some of the things that would qualify this hypothetical government as socialist?

Tony Blair wearing a beret perhaps.

 

[Pickman's model]

Can you outline some of the things that would qualify this hypothetical government as socialist?

tony blair wearing a noose perhaps