Celebrity Big Brother 2007

[Guineveretoo]

There's definitely some racism in there. It's the core of their bullying - you can see them all resassuring each other that their behaviour's OK with yet another snide dig. Classic bullying behaviour.

My biggest fear is that the majority of people watching the show - perhaps the people who buy Jade's autobiography - agree with the bullies. And that Shilpa will be boo-ed when she leaves the house and the bullies cheered. That, essentially, Britain is a racist county.

The whole thing makes me feel sick.

As I said, I am not convinced it is racism per se.

It is unpleasant and nasty, though, and I doubt that the GBP would support the harpies, particularly when last night's show ended with Shilpa crying. Of course, they still managed to do their best to edit Jade in a positive way, since that appears to be their main aim, but they also showed Shilpa sympathetically last night.

 

[Orangesanlemons]

Another thing being discussed on digi spy is 'John Noel Management'......How many of the Brit celebs are on the books.

Add Cleo to the list: it sounds like they just went through the client books to find a last-minute replacement when Lauren Harries failed the psych tests (again!).
It's an interesting angle on things for sure...

 

[Guineveretoo]

What did they say then? That's what I heard.
I don't enjoy painting people as racists at all so roll your eyes back the other way and tell us what you' think they said.

I heard a conversation when one of the Harpies, I think it was Jo, but I am not sure, was saying that she didn't like the way that Shilpa used her hands to mess about with the food on her plate. She appeared to be talking about Shilpa touching Jo's food, which was a bit odd.

Anyway, the trio then had a conversation about how awful this was, but one of them said that they believed it was either a Chinese or an Indian thing to eat with your hands, and the other Harpies said that this was disgusting, or words to that effect.

I really don't think that is a racist statement.

 

[Guineveretoo]

Add Cleo to the list: it sounds like they just went through the client books to find a last-minute replacement when Lauren Harries failed the psych tests (again!).
It's an interesting angle on things for sure...

But I thought Lauren was going in?

 

[sheothebudworths]

In other news the 'H' from Steps money train may be just about to reach destination profitsville - in from 21.0 last week right down to 7.6. How far can we go tonight?

I backed him at 19 and laid at 8, racking up another enormous £8 profit...


Jade, Danielle and to a lesser degree Jo, are just being spiteful and childish now...horrible little girls.

Does anyone know what Jo was crying about on the live feed last night....Jade was telling her that she was sure she'd go up from here....not quite as far up as she was before, but up a bit more than she is now heh heh ....so I'm wondering if she was overcome with grief about her failing career!

 

[sorter]

someone earlier said they are using her ethnicity and background as a stick with which to beat her. spot on pal.

whether it's intended or not peeps, that IS racist behaviour. it's disgraceful........

 

[Orangesanlemons]

But I thought Lauren was going in?

Latest info I had was that a couple of celebs were going in weds, but that Lauren plus mum wouldn't be now. The source is usually honest, but obviously things change very quickly in BB land. He didn't know who they would be or if they would be 'full' housemates or vistors ala Mr Jingle-Jangle last year.
They need someone to break up this constant bickering about Shilpa/chicken though, and they need it fast. Racism/bullying is becoming the talking point of BB this year and while to an extent any publicity is good publicity for the show (no, really), they need to manipulate a few evictions now (Danielle vs Shilpa say) for a happy ending, good to triumph over evil etc etc. It needs to be some recovery...

 

[Orangesanlemons]

I backed him at 19 and laid at 8, racking up another enormous £8 profit...

*high fives*

Me too, but I haven't laid off much yet. H needs to have a real 'moment' where he reveals his bullied past to the girls and tells them to go do one. It probably won't come, but you never know...

I've been laying Cleo too - she can't actually win this can she?
Also massive green on any other - in case we do get a new HM - and H. Third eviction I've laid Jade due to Danielle being the likeliest to be thrown to the masses.

Slightly nervous about Cleo tbh - I really like her too, doh.

 

[sheothebudworths]

Also massive green on any other - in case we do get a new HM - and H.

Me too*




















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[Orangesanlemons]

No flies on you, sheo

 

[Relahni]

someone earlier said they are using her ethnicity and background as a stick with which to beat her. spot on pal.

whether it's intended or not peeps, that IS racist behaviour. it's disgraceful........

Out of academic interest. You say that it is racist behaviour.

Would you and others who think it's racist behaviour, please mark it out of 5 in terms of a racism scale.

For example - 1 being very mild racism and 5 being an extreme example of racism.

Feel free to use .5's etc.

Would appreciate it - I studied racism in depth and may do another bit of research at some point.

Thanks

 

[Treacle Toes]

someone earlier said they are using her ethnicity and background as a stick with which to beat her. spot on pal.

whether it's intended or not peeps, that IS racist behaviour. it's disgraceful........

Ahem, it was I.....
I also said that although these people may not be racist...they are definately behaving like they are because they are using her ethnicity as a rod to beat her with.

 

[Treacle Toes]

I heard a conversation when one of the Harpies, I think it was Jo, but I am not sure, was saying that she didn't like the way that Shilpa used her hands to mess about with the food on her plate. She appeared to be talking about Shilpa touching Jo's food, which was a bit odd.

Anyway, the trio then had a conversation about how awful this was, but one of them said that they believed it was either a Chinese or an Indian thing to eat with your hands, and the other Harpies said that this was disgusting, or words to that effect.

I really don't think that is a racist statement.

Mmmm me neither....my comments have been about all the comments being made, I make my own judgements in light of all the behaviour, not from just one.

 

[Guineveretoo]

Mmmm me neither....my comments have been about all the comments being made, I make my own judgements in light of all the behaviour, not from just one.

So, that's one comment which we have agreed is not racist. Detail me another instance of supposed racism, and let's unpick that one, too

 

[Treacle Toes]

So, that's one comment which we have agreed is not racist. Detail me another instance of supposed racism, and let's unpick that one, too

No dear, you go through my posts and unpick them if you like. Some of them have, some of them haven't.....None of them have been overtly racist but the racism is there all the same and they are trying to justify their bullying of her and goading eachother to more overt.....Have you heard them talk about anything other than Shipla lately?

My assumptions have been made given all of the comments made, and behaviour exhibited......

Question to all....
Is using someone's ethnicity as the basis for your comments, jokes and denegation of character racist?

 

[Chairman Meow]

So, that's one comment which we have agreed is not racist. Detail me another instance of supposed racism, and let's unpick that one, too

What about the indians not cooking chicken properly, hence they are so skinny and sick all the time?

Or asking Shilpa if she lived in a shack? Do you think those statements do not have racist connotations?

 

[Guineveretoo]

No dear, you go through my posts and unpick them if you like. Some of them have, some of them haven't.....None of them have been overtly racist but the racism is there all the same and they are trying to justify their bullying of her and goading eachother to more overt.....Have you heard them talk about anything other than Shipla lately?

My assumptions have been made given all of the comments made, and behaviour exhibited......

Question to all....
Is using someone's ethnicity as the basis for your comments, jokes and denegation of character racist?

Please don't patronise me - I find it offensive, and it doesn't add anything to the debate.

I haven't seen anything overtly racist from the Harpies, so was asking if you could provide examples. You have failed to do so, so I lose interest in debating with you.

I have not denied that the foul mouthed harpies are obsessed with Shilpa and I think it is horrible and nasty and vicious and lots of other negative words, but I honestly haven't seen any examples of what I regard as racist behaviour. I speculate that they would treat Shilpa in the same way if she was merely a well educated, very rich, successful and beautiful white woman. They would simply find different things to pick on.

 

[Guineveretoo]

What about the indians not cooking chicken properly, hence they are so skinny and sick all the time?

I didn't hear the Harpies saying that. Is it on youtube?

Or asking Shilpa if she lived in a shack?

That was Jackiey. It certainly demonstrated her ignorance about Indian culture!

But it wasn't the three harpies who said it.

Do you think those statements do not have racist connotations?

Not necessarily, no.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Please don't patronise me - I find it offensive, and it doesn't add anything to the debate.

I wasn't trying to, I found your tone quite patronising as well but wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt, perhaps do the same for me eh?

I haven't seen anything overtly racist from the Harpies, so was asking if you could provide examples. You have failed to do so, so I lose interest in debating with you.

Did you actually read the post of mine you quoted? I repeat....None of them have been overtly racist but the racism is there all the same and they are trying to justify their bullying of her and goading eachother to more overt.

I have not denied that the foul mouthed harpies are obsessed with Shilpa and I think it is horrible and nasty and vicious and lots of other negative words, but I honestly haven't seen any examples of what I regard as racist behaviour. I speculate that they would treat Shilpa in the same way if she was merely a well educated, very rich, successful and beautiful white woman. They would simply find different things to pick on.

Yes they would pick on different things but she isn't and they are not...we are discussing their behaviour now...the things they are doing now.

I have also said before that I don't think they are picking on her because she is Indian...I think they are doing it because they don't understand her, can't read her, are intimadated by her grace and intelligence...More importantly they are picking on her for all the things they are not.
...however, they are using her ethnicity more than her class etc......what would you call that behaviour?

 

[Treacle Toes]

I didn't hear the Harpies saying that. Is it on youtube?

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I saw it on last night's HLs...

 

[Relahni]

Out of academic interest. You say that it is racist behaviour.

Would you and others who think it's racist behaviour, please mark it out of 5 in terms of a racism scale.

For example - 1 being very mild racism and 5 being an extreme example of racism.

Feel free to use .5's etc.

Would appreciate it - I studied racism in depth and may do another bit of research at some point.

Thanks

anyone?

 

[Lisarocket]

I didn't hear the Harpies saying that. Is it on youtube?

Jo said it. She said it was no wonder that Indians were all thin and ill because they must have the shits all the time from undercooked chicken. This then led her and Danielle to discuss Shilpa putting her hands in their food and how Indians eat with their hands (or is it the Chinese said Danielle) and that it was unhygenic and they didn't know where her hands had been.

Then later on when Danielle was drunk and the witches, Jack and Cleo were playing a game she joked about putting scabs and thrush in Shilpas curry.

 

[Guineveretoo]

I saw it on last night's HLs...

I watched the highlights show, but didn't see this comment. I did hear them going on about how she was probably thin because she didn't know how to cook and this would make her sick, but I didn't hear them saying that this was because she was Indian.

 

[Guineveretoo]

I wasn't trying to, I found your tone quite patronising as well but wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt, perhaps do the same for me eh?

Did you actually read the post of mine you quoted? I repeat....None of them have been overtly racist but the racism is there all the same and they are trying to justify their bullying of her and goading eachother to more overt.



Yes they would pick on different things but she isn't and they are not...we are discussing their behaviour now...the things they are doing now.

I have also said before that I don't think they are picking on her because she is Indian...I think they are doing it because they don't understand her, can't read her, are intimadated by her grace and intelligence...More importantly they are picking on her for all the things they are not.
...however, they are using her ethnicity more than her class etc......what would you call that behaviour?

I don't know why you are turning on me - I am merely trying to have a discussion/debate about this issue.

I will repeat - I have not seen anything which I consider to be racist in what Jo, Danielle and Jade have been saying about Shilpa, although I do accept, as Martin Luther King told us all, that ignorance is the root of racism. I am, however, prepared to be proved wrong on the question as to whether or not they are being racist, not least because I have watched very little of this series, and none of the live feed.

 

[Guineveretoo]

Then later on when Danielle was drunk and the witches, Jack and Cleo were playing a game she joked about putting scabs and thrush in Shilpas curry.

How is this racist?

 

[tarannau]

What, they would ask if she lived in a shack if she was a rich white woman? And then imply that 'her kind' can't cook and make themselves ill because they have insufficiently good (kitchen) hygiene.

You can argue about the intentions, but there's little doubt that they're effectively being racist in my book - jibes about poverty and cleanliness/hygiene are pretty telling.

 

[Lisarocket]

How is this racist?

I never said it was. I was only responding to your query about what was said. The bit where they were talking about Indians having the shits and eating with their hands and being unhygenic was IMO

 

[Guineveretoo]

What, they would ask if she lived in a shack if she was a rich white woman? And then imply that 'her kind' can't cook and make themselves ill because they have insufficiently good (kitchen) hygiene.

You can argue about the intentions, but there's little doubt that they're effectively being racist in my book - jibes about poverty and cleanliness/hygiene are pretty telling.

But it was Jackiey who asked about the shack, not the three harpies!

How do you know that, when they say "her kind", they don't mean posh film stars who have hordes of servants, rather than meaning Indian people? This is all I am trying to establish.

What I see is jealousy, but not because Shilpa is Indian!

 

[Guineveretoo]

I never said it was. I was only responding to your query about what was said.

The question was general. Can someone explain why threatening to put horrible things in someone's food is racist?

 

[Treacle Toes]

I watched the highlights show, but didn't see this comment. I did hear them going on about how she was probably thin because she didn't know how to cook and this would make her sick, but I didn't hear them saying that this was because she was Indian.

It was said that 'that's why they'll all so skinny...because they are all sick/get sick'...this was with regard the undercooked chicken...Jo didn't say 'she', Jo said 'them'.........meaning indians.