Celebrity Big Brother 2007
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Chairman Meow
Perth, WA
Wide Eyed Angel said:
Yes, he danced in a posing pouch which exposed a little bit more than I personally wanted to see. Lets just say when he asked Big Brother' Is that it?' while clutching his groin, I nearly fell off the sofa laughing.
story
Changing the facts
I remember him saying "That's all I've got Big Brother..." as well.... 
Poor Jade...
And there was a moment of squirming embarrassment when Danielle was in there saying she wanted to be a model (her contract has been cancelled in her absence), and to meet Teddy Sheringham (who has alledgedly dumped her in absentia).
oh the irony
Poor Jade... And there was a moment of squirming embarrassment when Danielle was in there saying she wanted to be a model (her contract has been cancelled in her absence), and to meet Teddy Sheringham (who has alledgedly dumped her in absentia).
oh the irony
Chairman Meow
Perth, WA
story said:I remember him saying "That's all I've got Big Brother..." as well....
And there was a moment of squirming embarrassment when Danielle was in there saying she wanted to be a model (her contract has been cancelled in her absence), and to meet Teddy Sheringham (who has alledgedly dumped her in absentia).
oh the irony
Yeah she was pretending to be an Aveline from Bread model-wannabe, whose goal was to go after Teddy Sheringham. Then she said, I know he's already got a girlfriend....errr, not any more love [according to the gospel of the NOTW}.
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
but this isn't foresight and as we have seen in previous occasions where real violence might have occurered the situation has been (physically) prevented. These what if's aren't foresight they are hyperbol trying to blow up a situation where people get to cast another group of people in a bad light for being not terrible pleasent humans.tangerinedream said:
jade; over powering and ignorant very unself aware until it's pointed out to her.
danelle; young naive and not willing to question the level of overt propigahnda which has been placed in front of her and will recite it second hand with out thinking.
jo; worring about her own situation and preoccupied.
whilst their actions have been unpleasent and aggersive none of them deserve to have their humanity stripped from them merely becuase of this, which is what this demonising witch hunt is now doing. Intrestingly, this point is already conceeded by the simple fact that the general consensious seems to be to widen the witch hunt to then include others by way of bolstering their nonexistant point.
FabricLiveBaby!
Live Baby Fabric!
Apologies for the length of this post:
I read an intresting article in You MAgazine (given to me by my psycologist after the bullying I experienced at school) It rang a bell with me and rings a bell with what was happening on BB. I'm going to take the liberty of typing it all out becuase there isn't a link on the internet. I've PAINSTAKINGLY TYPED ALL THIS OUT, IT IS NOT A CUT AND PASTE.
I think it's an intresing point about the way males bully and females bully, and some of the guys on here may not have had the experince of feamle bullying.
If anyone can find a link to this article I will be most grateful.
It is written by Kate Figes, who has a book out on bullying.
"When my daughter was 14, I knew something was wrong. She spent hours on the phone in floods of tears dissicting who had said what to whom. She lacked the usual confidence but couldn't tell me why. Twho years later, when we were discussing bitching as a possilbe subject for a book, large tears ran down her face and it came out "I've never felt so alone. It was like their code: "she's coming, start singing".
It's a typical teenage girl tactic. I know that now. While boys tend to bully in more overt ways, girls employ underhand, stealth-missile bitching techniques. They spread rumours and whispering campaigns, blank or give evil looks. They start secret hate clubs and truth circles, and rank friends so someone has to come out bottom. They say nasty things and disguise them as jokes. They pass on bitchy comments that a grown-up girl knows should be left unsaid. They build alliences by picking on one particular girl in the gang, making it clear that she is being left out of social arrangemnets but keeping her hanging on by just enough of a thread to let her belive that she could still be thier friend. She therefore thinks she is to blame. If she tried harder, if only she was thinner, prettier, cooler, more popular, then maybe, just maybe she would feel really protected by that close gang of girlfrinds that is so crucial in early adolescence. Mention these tctics to any girl between the ages of 10 and 14 and she will know what you are talking about.
Bitching tactics are subtle and clever. Half the skill is looking so good and kind that adults don't belive that you could mistreat anyone in the first place. When grown-ups find out, which is rare they tend to dismiss it as just "how girls are". Or they follow the 'sticks and stones' theory and you just have to toughen up or find other friends.
Without acknowledgement of adults, the legacy of this kind of behaviour can be lasting. Snide put-downs really hurt for a teenager, for theyr'e always directed at her most sensitice points - appearance, clothes, and whether or not she's cool. Once a girl has become a victim, she doesn't necessarily toughen up. She's just as likelye to become the quiet accommodator with low self esteem who can be drawn to abusive relationships. A girl looses self respect when she learns to be loved on someone elses terms and that's a terible model for adulthood. The bitch looses out too, when her behaviour goes unchalleneged. She believed that it's acceptable to manipulate others when she feels vunderable.
I've been to dozens of schools listening to girls talking about bitchy behaviour. They want it to stop. They need help understanding the hairline difference between language and behaviour they use to bond as equals and the verbal arsenal women can be so adept at employing when they feel threatened. We need to give girls the tools they need, a new etiquette to withstand hurtful behaviour and understand their own potential for cruelty. Girls get littel guidance from our media cultur, wich gets bitchier with reality TV and celebrity-watching magazines. As they get stressed by the pressures inherent in growing up, they get bitchier. We should consider bullying a symptom of distress among girls struggling for perfection, just like anorexia."
snip......
So what I find happened in Big Brother (from my own experiences and this article with particularly rings true with me) is that these three girls have always been like this, indeed probably got away with this behaviour at school. The intense nature of the BB house brought it all bubbling up to the surface and they decided to form alliences by picking on shipa because they felt threatened by her (class, beuty, intelligen, the list goes on) And as girls do they picked on the things that are the most sensitive areas, in this case looks, class and race. Things that one can't change.
What we witnessed was a patheitc teenage style bulling campaign, very similar to what I experienced in school. I instantly recognsed the behaviour displayed.
Jade, Jo and Danielle, are not racist, just picked on race as a way to get under somones skin (no pun intended) because they felt threated. Shipa could have been Black, White, anything, they would have found somehting to pick on either way. Because they are Bitchy nasty girls that havn't learned better and felt threatened.
I read an intresting article in You MAgazine (given to me by my psycologist after the bullying I experienced at school) It rang a bell with me and rings a bell with what was happening on BB. I'm going to take the liberty of typing it all out becuase there isn't a link on the internet. I've PAINSTAKINGLY TYPED ALL THIS OUT, IT IS NOT A CUT AND PASTE.
I think it's an intresing point about the way males bully and females bully, and some of the guys on here may not have had the experince of feamle bullying.
If anyone can find a link to this article I will be most grateful.
It is written by Kate Figes, who has a book out on bullying.
"When my daughter was 14, I knew something was wrong. She spent hours on the phone in floods of tears dissicting who had said what to whom. She lacked the usual confidence but couldn't tell me why. Twho years later, when we were discussing bitching as a possilbe subject for a book, large tears ran down her face and it came out "I've never felt so alone. It was like their code: "she's coming, start singing".
It's a typical teenage girl tactic. I know that now. While boys tend to bully in more overt ways, girls employ underhand, stealth-missile bitching techniques. They spread rumours and whispering campaigns, blank or give evil looks. They start secret hate clubs and truth circles, and rank friends so someone has to come out bottom. They say nasty things and disguise them as jokes. They pass on bitchy comments that a grown-up girl knows should be left unsaid. They build alliences by picking on one particular girl in the gang, making it clear that she is being left out of social arrangemnets but keeping her hanging on by just enough of a thread to let her belive that she could still be thier friend. She therefore thinks she is to blame. If she tried harder, if only she was thinner, prettier, cooler, more popular, then maybe, just maybe she would feel really protected by that close gang of girlfrinds that is so crucial in early adolescence. Mention these tctics to any girl between the ages of 10 and 14 and she will know what you are talking about.
Bitching tactics are subtle and clever. Half the skill is looking so good and kind that adults don't belive that you could mistreat anyone in the first place. When grown-ups find out, which is rare they tend to dismiss it as just "how girls are". Or they follow the 'sticks and stones' theory and you just have to toughen up or find other friends.
Without acknowledgement of adults, the legacy of this kind of behaviour can be lasting. Snide put-downs really hurt for a teenager, for theyr'e always directed at her most sensitice points - appearance, clothes, and whether or not she's cool. Once a girl has become a victim, she doesn't necessarily toughen up. She's just as likelye to become the quiet accommodator with low self esteem who can be drawn to abusive relationships. A girl looses self respect when she learns to be loved on someone elses terms and that's a terible model for adulthood. The bitch looses out too, when her behaviour goes unchalleneged. She believed that it's acceptable to manipulate others when she feels vunderable.
I've been to dozens of schools listening to girls talking about bitchy behaviour. They want it to stop. They need help understanding the hairline difference between language and behaviour they use to bond as equals and the verbal arsenal women can be so adept at employing when they feel threatened. We need to give girls the tools they need, a new etiquette to withstand hurtful behaviour and understand their own potential for cruelty. Girls get littel guidance from our media cultur, wich gets bitchier with reality TV and celebrity-watching magazines. As they get stressed by the pressures inherent in growing up, they get bitchier. We should consider bullying a symptom of distress among girls struggling for perfection, just like anorexia."
snip......
So what I find happened in Big Brother (from my own experiences and this article with particularly rings true with me) is that these three girls have always been like this, indeed probably got away with this behaviour at school. The intense nature of the BB house brought it all bubbling up to the surface and they decided to form alliences by picking on shipa because they felt threatened by her (class, beuty, intelligen, the list goes on) And as girls do they picked on the things that are the most sensitive areas, in this case looks, class and race. Things that one can't change.
What we witnessed was a patheitc teenage style bulling campaign, very similar to what I experienced in school. I instantly recognsed the behaviour displayed.
Jade, Jo and Danielle, are not racist, just picked on race as a way to get under somones skin (no pun intended) because they felt threated. Shipa could have been Black, White, anything, they would have found somehting to pick on either way. Because they are Bitchy nasty girls that havn't learned better and felt threatened.
tekla said:
At present, Shilpa has not been in a position to review ALL the evidence. No one has been fingered because no official complaint has yet been received. Clearly the police are reviewing the tapes right now - an investigation IS in progress, but when Shilpa sees the tapes in a situation that isn't inside the house, that's when she will be able to make - or choose not to make - a complaint. So stuff your argument, it's wrong.
Anyway, I now know that left to you and Newbie, the future of TV is live rape and murder. It must be. if you can't define where censorship should be, then you can't say it won't be that. If you sacrifice notions of taste, decency and responsibility - and clearly Ofcom and Channel 4 seem set to do just that, then you're gonna get the TV that appeals to the lowest common denominator.
Now you will be all "ooh you accused me" and ask me to "provide evidence" and all the usual BS one gets for having an opinion, so I'll revise my statement. Bullying and racism are wrong, and while fit topics for drama or a half hour documentary are by no means fit to be shown as repeated images across several hours of peak viewing time every night for a week. That's that.
I'd rather have a censored media than a profit-focused corporate controlled irresponsible one. And censorship debate is all well and good, but meaningless without public access to the media machine - while the media may lack censorship, it actually is censored, because it's all owned by the same white and male all-boys club, which is why they saw racist bullying as OK. They are twats.
electrogirl
dignity is overrated
personally, i think fabriclivebaby is exactly right. those girls are bullies, but i don't think they are racist bullies.all that insulting her cooking, laughing about her facial hair etc can be construed as racist, but they were simply using the one thing about her that they percieve as a weakness (i guess the fact they see it as a weakness is racism but anyway..) but if she was fat, ugly, etc. they would've used that instead.
it's disgusting and they are far too old to be behaving in such an awful manner.
it's disgusting and they are far too old to be behaving in such an awful manner.
Kanda said:
This is why the C4 board was spot on yesterday to tough it out. A mob, led by stinking hypocrites such as The Sun newspaper, has had some short-term success against Jade Goody. She's been made to weep on TV. Mary Whitehouse has come out of the closet to demand telly censorship.
In a few weeks people will remember this ignorant, warm-hearted and honest woman - a mixed race woman with two young children and a former heroin-addict mother - being treated like shit by bullying newspapers and middle-class snobs doing a spot of chav-bashing.
All Jade need do is hang in there, weep a bit more, and she'll be fine. Maybe arrange for the cameras to follow her to India in six months to learn (whilst wearing a fetching and photogenic sari) about Indian culture. Shelpa could be filmed accompanying Jade to a Hindu temple, whilst she (Shelpa) makes disparaging remarks about ‘untouchables.’
Public sympathy will swing back behind Jade. Those who demanded her head will look like dirty bullies: far bigger bullies than Jade. Those trying to censor the telly will look like prats and, I suspect, go very quiet. The chav-bashers will return to demanding that working class city centre drinkers be electronically tagged and their children sent on compulsory ‘citizenship' courses.
exosculate
a stagger with a beat
tekla said:
OMG - so we will be inflicted with a range of Jade branded poppadoms in the next 6 months.
Kanda said:
If you're stupid enough to go on prime TV and engage in a sustained campaign of racially-inspired bullying then you are going to make people angry.
If you make people angry at this level, then you are going to motivate people with a similar level of responsibility as the responsibility you display (in this case, none) to be angry.
Merely because you consider yourself a celebrity doesn't mean you live in a bubble - you still live in the world. If you light the torch of race or of bullying on prime time TV, you are going to get your come-uppance.
I'm not saying violent action is right, but I do wish Jade would just stop shoving her children up in our faces as a defence for what isn't defensible.
She's made herself a target, no one else did it for her.
Look, all this poor Jade shit when somewhere in the UK it was recently reported that a house of maybe 6 people with acute learning difficulties is being targeted by local vigilantes who claim they are child-molesters (which they are not): people as a mass will do the wrong thing. I have far more sympathy for this household of disadvantaged people, as they have done absolutely nothing wrong at all, and certainly not for a week on prime time TV.
If you put ugliness on TV you are going to create an ugly society, as the majority of us are all sucking deeply these days on the cathode ray nipple.
It's Jade's fault (for her own actions, others fault for other actions), if she can't display understanding in her personal relationships, how come she expects understanding from people around her for her failures?
She needs to stop doing the rounds of interviews attempting to justify herself, and fuck off to a mental hospital to have her many "issues" sorted out.
And she's clearly not together enough to appear on TV.
I don't think threatening her or her children is fair, but it's going to happen as a consequence of her actions. It is her genie that she has released from her very own bottle. I don't know how to stop it, but in her position I'd be out of public life and out of the country. She blew it badly.
tekla said:
You know, you are pretty much saying exaclty what the arrogant middle class latte-swilling TV execs are saying, and displaying just as much contempt of UK people as they do.
I'm sure you'll get your life time membership at the Institute of Directors one day.
For me? Well, there's no talking to you, so i aint' gonna bother
Lisarocket
In bed with me dinner
Gawd it's been getting like P & P in here 
*opens windows*
Anyway. Let's all praise Jermaine "king of comedy" Jackson and his maracas Not only has he got great taste in knitwear as i've previously stated, but he's also managed to nick the floating Bez fan vote with his display of maracca prowess 
Cleo's performance on the other hand was seriously unfunny and may have had an underlying bitchieness. The coven knew about Dirks past impotence problems (impotence was mentioned in her routine, but not seen on the highlights show)and that his father was shot by his brother. When they were watching it back Jo's face said it all really...
*opens windows*
Anyway. Let's all praise Jermaine "king of comedy" Jackson and his maracas
Not only has he got great taste in knitwear as i've previously stated, but he's also managed to nick the floating Bez fan vote with his display of maracca prowess Cleo's performance on the other hand was seriously unfunny and may have had an underlying bitchieness. The coven knew about Dirks past impotence problems (impotence was mentioned in her routine, but not seen on the highlights show)and that his father was shot by his brother. When they were watching it back Jo's face said it all really...
Total guff. A complainant isn't needed before the police will mount a criminal charge or make arrests or call someone in for questioning. Racism's a criminal offence. Whether or not a complaint is made is irrelevant.rocketman said:
Imagine if the police dug up a body tomorrow which clearly was a murder victim (big hole in the skull containing a bullet). No complaint is made. The murder happened 40 years ago.
Does that mean the police won’t act? Do they sit there waiting for a complaint? Course not.
Sorry mate. If Jade had yelled at Shelpa: “You stupid fucking black bitch get back to your own country with your stinking chicken curry Neil And Jamie Arcourt was right!” the police would have been in there like a shot. Or if they hadn’t the local Chief Constable’s head would have rolled.
Ergo: Jade did not racially abuse Shelpa as defined in British criminal law.
Lisarocket
In bed with me dinner
Xanadu said:Thought Jade lived in Bermondsey
Jackieeeieyiy(sp?) lives in Bermondsey...
Lisarocket
In bed with me dinner
exosculate said:
I concur. To quote the last great BB Fuckup Nikki...
WHOOOOOOO ISSSSSSS SHHHEEEEE/HE
But seriously. I'm not usually sucpicious of new posters, but 22 out of a total 24 posts are all in this here thread...
exosculate
a stagger with a beat
Lisarocket said:
Blimey, I could see it wasn't going well from Jo's face, I didn't see the live stream but I thought the highlights were cringeworthy enough.
exosculate
a stagger with a beat
Lisarocket said:I concur. To quote the last great BB Fuckup Nikki...
WHOOOOOOO ISSSSSSS SHHHEEEEE/HE
But seriously. I'm not usually sucpicious of new posters, but 22 out of a total 24 posts are all in this here thread...
I think he's Russell Brand.
Lisarocket
In bed with me dinner
exosculate said:I think he's Russell Brand.
The ballbags, dicksacks and dinkle quotas in the posts are waaayyyy too low though
exosculate
a stagger with a beat
Lisarocket said:The ballbags, dicksacks and dinkle quotas in the posts are waaayyyy too low though
Na. He's just an obsessive fan. And thats nothing to be ashamed of Tekla.
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