Gromit
International Man of Misery
Would you be happy if Sting changed his name to Paul?
Cardiff City RedBlueDragonBirds 2012-2013 season
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Would you be happy if Sting changed his name to Paul?
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
I think you proved TAN correct very succinctly
poisondwarf
I have a chance...and it is fat.
I couldn't give a sky blue pink what sting calls himself, as i have no connection with the tantric loving warbler...stop being evasive and just answer the question...
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hiraethified
Four Wembley appearances in five years and one goal away from both the Premiership and a major trophy is failure?
Blimey. You're going to hate the Premiership.
So, tell me, how do you like Cardiff Dragons? Are you going to clap along to that too if it means (limited) SUCCESS?
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hiraethified
More blackmail again.
He also made a similar statement abut the strip change, if you recall, and then went right ahead with the change anyway.
But let's try again: if at some point in the near future we become the 'Cardiff Dragons', playing in a red strip, with a red dragon badge and no mention of the words 'Cardiff City' or 'Bluebirds' anywhere, would you be quite happy with that?
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hiraethified
Or the team plays as best as it can and tries to win as much as it can without compromising and sacrificing everything.
Gromit
International Man of Misery
I won't stop supporting whether I'm happy with it or not. With my little pick and shovel ill be there. Whilst you won't be.
Me too. Always and forever. I could no more support another club than I could grow another leg.
There´s still such a thing as loyalty, even if some appear to have forgotten what it means.
Fifty years outside the top division most certainly is failure.
For a city as large and culturally significant as Cardiff, it is an absolutely pathetic failure. A failure with ramifications that go far beyond football, which have afflicted the city, and even the country, for much too bloody long. Thank Christ for Tan, he¨s finally sorted it out.
I suspect some people enjoy failure. Good luck to them. But they shouldn't attempt to impose their taste on the rest of us.
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hiraethified
'Failure' to me is letting a foreign investor turn your club into the laughing stock of the nation and into something you no longer recognise. A vanity project, if you will.
Not that you've exactly been a regular at any games for years.
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hiraethified
So you really don't mind the club being renamed on the whim of an investor?
So it really has come to this.
See, here's the thing....
.... Even if you were right, and Tan is a bastard and a disaster for the club... that should be more reason to support them, not less. You supported them through all other kinds of misfortune, when they were run by all kinds of other fools and knaves, not to mention several previous changes of strip which don't seem to have troubled you at all. Why won't you support them through this as well?
I get to 5 or 6 games most seasons, which isn´t bad considering I live 6,000 miles away.
Anyway, I don´t see what that has to do with anything.
Clint Iguana
not an undercover cop
And we are considerably worse of now in terms of debt since Tan arrived. Why? Cos just like Sam before him, he is the one we have borrowed money off. In this case, £70+ million.
Clint Iguana
not an undercover cop
its like dejavu all over again... remember the promises about remaining blue last summer?
Clint Iguana
not an undercover cop
I dont think anyone is objecting to the possibility of promotion - it is the rebranding. The rebranding will do precisely nothing to improve the club's chances of promotion.
And now, after watching the full interview with Tan on the BBC, I am even less inclined to support him. In the past there was a nagging hope in the back of my head that he might have a crafty plan that he is not telling us about. But no, it turns out his entire strategy seems to be based on the fact that 'MU' play in red.
This will end in tears. Not my tears though, i am now into ambivilance in a big way.
Gromit
International Man of Misery
See previous posts. They already said that i mind. Minding and supporting anyway are not mutually exclusive despite what you may think.
I mind that Amazon dodge tax but if they are the cheapest place for me to buy something i still do. I mind that the tories are in government but I still pay my tax. I mind that Rupert Murdock is a cunt yet i still have Sky TV and Broadband because their broadband is really good.
It might look irrational and daft to you (or ·whimsical· as the Ed puts it), but Asians have different ways of thinking about luck and fate than what we do.
But inscrutible as it may seem, there is no denying that Tan's strategy is working, and working brilliantly. Say what you like about him, the man is a football genius.
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hiraethified
I refuse to have Sky, whatever benefits they offer. Perhaps that serves as a good indicator of the differences between me and you.
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hiraethified
Because I support The Bluebirds. Cardiff City FC. The team that has played in blue for over a century, with a Bluebird on their chest. That team doesn't appear to exist any more.
You can still call them ¨the Bluebirds¨ if it means that much to you.
But the way I look at it, the badge, colors, scarves etc are all just marketing paraphenalia. It´s got nothing to do with the football.
When Tan gets bored and buggers off after a couple of years, we´ll probably revert to blue. Would you come back again then? But what if they changed to light blue? We can´t have that can we, it´s an outrage, only royal blue will do. Oh hang on a minute... that bluebird´s got a red beak! The sneaky little Malaysian avian, time for another boycott. What´s that? Changing the logo on the upper-left corner of the program cover? Putting an orange stripe across the reserve team´s away kit´s jockstraps? They´ve gone too far this time...
This obsession with marketing is silly. I support my home town club, whatever color shirt they happen to be wearing.
Clint Iguana
not an undercover cop
His strategy of having a good playing squad and a good manager is working. But that is a tried and tested formula (nothing genius about it). I will never ever believe the colour of the kit has anything what so ever to do with that success.
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hiraethified
I'll be back when they become the team that I recognise as Cardiff City FC, not some rebranded corporate entity.
How would you feel if you paid for a ticket to see the Rolling Stones and what you got was a One Direction covers band? That's what Vincent Tan's Cardiff Dragons Franchise FC feels like to me.
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
And you have?
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
Difference is we are now in a far better position to repay debt than at any time in our history!
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hiraethified
And if Tan fucks off and wants his money back?
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
Thats probably more than Ed living 160 miles away!
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
We'll have it to give him. QED
Gromit
International Man of Misery
Thats never then. They'll always be some rebranded corporate entity
I remember this horrific crest:
You don't get more bluebirdsly than that. It was shoved down our throat. Fans didn't like it.
We got rebranded to this:
I remember my mate moaning that the stitching had gone from the footballs and that the daffs had changed to a daff. So still a new corporate rebrand.
Owners after Tan may want to change things again. Or they may not bother, may not see a need. Rebranding costs money after all. If they do rebrand they may not look backwards for branding ideas.
