Cardiff City RedBlueDragonBirds 2012-2013 season

[bendeus]

Tan is trying a different mechanism. Wipe the slate clean and lets have some success.
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Yes, but who will have the success, and to whom will it belong? It certainly won't be CCFC, and it certainly won't belong to the people of Cardiff, IME. It will be of and for the far away 'fans' of a strange, hybridised plastic entity that happens to have its HQ in Leckwith.

 

[trampie]

CCFC - DEAD.

The new K-aardiff is now a Malaysian team so it seems, run by Malaysians for Malaysians, it doesn't look like football is any longer a community game in Cardiff, the new Cardiff football team has no history, no heritage, no pride, it's just a corporate adventure.

The saddest thing in all this is the amount of Cardiff fans that bought into it , if i was a Cardiff fan i would rather be in the 3rd or 4th tier and playing in traditional colours, with a traditional badge and with a traditional name and retain some pride in the club rather than support a plastic joking enterprise that took over a community club that had pride but sacrificed it all at the alter of corporate greed and trying to gain football success at any cost.

I know there are true Cardiff fans that are out there, some post with passion on this board, but in general terms football fans through out the country are laughing at Cardiff fans for just bending over and taking it, i have just checked out some Swansea boards and notice that any hatred towards the old CCFC has turned to pity over is new Cardiff outfit in some quarters, it's a pitiful carry on and the only way Cardiff fans are going to get any respect back is to take back their own club, an Australian guy bought the Swans once upon a time, Swansea fans quickly realised the danger and Swansea fans retook control as soon as they could, the businessmen that saved the day were Swansea fans, they got one investor in, put a supporters rep on the board with something like 20% share holding [more than the chairman i believe] and that was it, the Swans haven't looked back since, Cardiff need to do something similar because it does look like the old CCFC is DEAD !

 

[editor]

The saddest thing in all this is the amount of Cardiff fans that bought into it , if i was a Cardiff fan i would rather be in the 3rd or 4th tier and playing in traditional colours, with a traditional badge and with a traditional name and retain some pride in the club rather than support a plastic joking enterprise that took over a community club that had pride but sacrificed it all at the alter of corporate greed and trying to gain football success at any cost.

You have no idea at all what would have happened if the same set of circumstances had occurred at Swansea, so I'd fuck off with your gloating.

If it could happen at Cardiff, it could happen anywhere, and you're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

 

[poisondwarf]

CCFC - DEAD.

The new K-aardiff is now a Malaysian team so it seems, run by Malaysians for Malaysians, it doesn't look like football is any longer a community game in Cardiff, the new Cardiff football team has no history, no heritage, no pride, it's just a corporate adventure.

The saddest thing in all this is the amount of Cardiff fans that bought into it , if i was a Cardiff fan i would rather be in the 3rd or 4th tier and playing in traditional colours, with a traditional badge and with a traditional name and retain some pride in the club rather than support a plastic joking enterprise that took over a community club that had pride but sacrificed it all at the alter of corporate greed and trying to gain football success at any cost.

I know there are true Cardiff fans that are out there, some post with passion on this board, but in general terms football fans through out the country are laughing at Cardiff fans for just bending over and taking it, i have just checked out some Swansea boards and notice that any hatred towards the old CCFC has turned to pity over is new Cardiff outfit in some quarters, it's a pitiful carry on and the only way Cardiff fans are going to get any respect back is to take back their own club, an Australian guy bought the Swans once upon a time, Swansea fans quickly realised the danger and Swansea fans retook control as soon as they could, the businessmen that saved the day were Swansea fans, they got one investor in, put a supporters rep on the board with something like 20% share holding [more than the chairman i believe] and that was it, the Swans haven't looked back since, Cardiff need to do something similar because it does look like the old CCFC is DEAD !

Fuck off trampie and take your gloating elsewhere.

 

[editor]

If the Tan Dragons Franchise FC get into the Premiership, they're going to be the laughing stock. Other teams are going to delight in rightfully ripping the fuck out of us (or maybe that should be 'them' now).

 

[trampie]

You have no idea at all what would have happened if the same set of circumstances had occurred at Swansea, so I'd fuck off with your gloating.

If it could happen at Cardiff, it could happen anywhere, and you're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

It could have happened at Swansea yes, goodness knows what Petty had in store ?, whatever it was it wasn't allowed to go too far, whats happening at Cardiff there is little being done to stop it, big difference right there between the Swans and the old Bluebirds.

 

[leftistangel]

Come on, lets be honest. This often cited ´success´ as justification for trashing a hundred years of tradition, heritage and starting at Year Zero is nothing more than ´promotion´to a ´league´where you have the exciting prospect of competing for places 7th to 20th.

I can understand younger fans and supporters who think the sport was invented in 1992 falling for this propaganda.

But older fans really ought to know better. Most of them will in tens years time, when the novelty has long worn away and the ´success´is not what they imagined it would be, but by then it will be too late. It probably already is.

 

[bendeus]

Come on, lets be honest. This often cited ´success´ as justification for trashing a hundred years of tradition, heritage and starting at Year Zero is nothing more than ´promotion´to a ´league´where you have the exciting prospect of competing for places 7th to 20th.

I can understand younger fans and supporters who think the sport was invented in 1992 falling for this propaganda.

But older fans really ought to know better. Most of them will in tens years time, when the novelty has long worn away and the ´success´is not what they imagined it would be, but by then it will be too late. It probably already is.

Presactly. What is there is no longer CCFC. It may occupy the same stadium (as the later version CCFC did) and even carry a proportion of the same fans across with it, but it's the cuckoo in the nest hatching into something that bears no more than a passing resemblance to its predecessor.

A club is an amalgam of its history and traditions. What Tan is doing is dismembering the corpse of CCFC in order to build Tan United. Different club, different focus. Any success it has (and I'm starting to hope that this amounts to the square root of fuck all) will be its own and not an extension of the entity once known as CCFC/the Bluebirds. By the same token, it can fuck off with claiming on the success of its predecessor. They should be stripped of the rights to the triangular corner flags, IMVHO

 

[trampie]

I was reading a post by a Cardiff fan somewhere the other day, talking about when Cardiff dropped down to the 3rd and 4th divisions in the late 80's and early 90's that obviously the gates dropped as you would expect just leaving in the main a hardcore, the current rebranding of CCFC will probably mean that if Cardiff drop back down to the bottom reaches of the football league again that their crowds would be half of what they the last time they were in the bottom reaches because the attachment and pride in their club will have gone.
Hardcore fans from that era may well still follow the team in the Premier League [assuming they get there as they surely must this season] or even back down in the Championship [which is a good standard] but will not spend their hard earned cash following them in the 3rd and 4th tiers as they once did, i thought it was an interesting take on things.

 

[bendeus]

I used to go and watch the city in the old bottom tier. I no longer do. Scam and the Riddler dented my passion for the club. Tan has stone cold killed it.

E2A: I would, however, seriously consider watching a rump CCFC breakaway outfit in the lower leagues. I really used to enjoy those rainy draws with the likes of Doncaster in the driving rain in creaky old Ninian Park. Be happy to reprise it, tbh.

 

[editor]

I was reading a post by a Cardiff fan somewhere the other day, talking about when Cardiff dropped down to the 3rd and 4th divisions in the late 80's and early 90's that obviously the gates dropped as you would expect just leaving in the main a hardcore, the current rebranding of CCFC will probably mean that if Cardiff drop back down to the bottom reaches of the football league again that their crowds would be half of what they the last time they were in the bottom reaches because the attachment and pride in their club will have gone.
Hardcore fans from that era may well still follow the team in the Premier League [assuming they get there as they surely must this season] or even back down in the Championship [which is a good standard] but will not spend their hard earned cash following them in the 3rd and 4th tiers as they once did, i thought it was an interesting take on things.

If Cardiff dropped down again, the glory-hunting, status-aspiring Tan would be long gone. And in such a situation, the club would have reverted back to its proper name and colours, and I'd expect all the same hardcore fans will all be present and correct, just like before.

I'd certainly be back on the terraces cheering them on.

 

[editor]

E2A: I would, however, seriously consider watching a rump CCFC breakaway outfit in the lower leagues. I really used to enjoy those rainy draws with the likes of Doncaster in the driving rain in creaky old Ninian Park. Be happy to reprise it, tbh.

I'd love to see a breakaway 'real' Cardiff City and would be happy to put in whatever help I could to get them going.

 

[King Biscuit Time]

I'd love to see a breakaway 'real' Cardiff City and would be happy to put in whatever help I could to get them going.

This has to happen now. Or couldn't everyone just turn up at Grange Quinns from next season onwards or something?

 

[trampie]

If Cardiff dropped down again, the glory-hunting, status-aspiring Tan would be long gone. And in such a situation, the club would have reverted back to its proper name and colours, and I'd expect all the same hardcore fans will all be present and correct, just like before.

I'd certainly be back on the terraces cheering them on.

Yes in that circumstance i'm some disenfranchised 'ultras' would return and good on them in that circumstance.

 

[trampie]

I'd love to see a breakaway 'real' Cardiff City and would be happy to put in whatever help I could to get them going.

I think a lot of Cardiff fans would like to see a 'real' Cardiff City again.

 

[Gromit]

Come on, lets be honest. This often cited ´success´ as justification for trashing a hundred years of tradition, heritage and starting at Year Zero is nothing more than ´promotion´to a ´league´where you have the exciting prospect of competing for places 7th to 20th.

I can understand younger fans and supporters who think the sport was invented in 1992 falling for this propaganda.

But older fans really ought to know better. Most of them will in tens years time, when the novelty has long worn away and the ´success´is not what they imagined it would be, but by then it will be too late. It probably already is.

Promotion to the premiership is the biggest financial prize in football.
We've been on the knife edge of destruction too many times. I'd like to hear from Portsmouth and Plymouth fans if they could go back in time to pre-administration and have Tan as a chairman.

 

[Threshers_Flail]

Thing is with the new club is that I don't think we'd be allowed to play in the English pyramid. The FAW being the twats that they are won't have it. And fuck starting out in the same league as Pentwyn Dynamo.

 

[Threshers_Flail]

And as some of us have known for a while, CCFC is now dead. If anyone still thinks otherwise they're beyond help. Anyone who bought a red shit should be shot. Like to see how many brave it for Boro on Sunday.

 

[leftistangel]

Promotion to the premiership is the biggest financial prize in football.
We've been on the knife edge of destruction too many times. I'd like to hear from Portsmouth and Plymouth fans if they could go back in time to pre-administration and have Tan as a chairman.

Well you get lots of extra money to compete in finishing between 7th and 20th in the ´Premier League´. Do you think that's a ´prize´ worthy of trashing your heritage for? Sympathies if so.

Clubs like Portsmouth are in a financial mess because they lived way beyond their means trying to stay in and get back into the ´Premier League´, which were constantly told to view as the be all and end all.

Its the grotesque lack of any financial structure and regulations in that league and lower down which has created a situation where a teams fortune is largely dictated by a foreign oligarch coming and using it as a hobby on the side with little regard to what came before or supporters feelings.

 

[editor]

How did we get to a situation where it's seen that unless you're in the Premiership, the football's not worth bothering with?

Some of the most exciting games I've ever seen have been lower league ones.

 

[Gromit]

Duke of Westminster
Sir Richard Branson
Sir Philip and Lady Green
Earl Cadogan
Sir Anthony Bamford

The five richest britons in the UK (The other 15 top 20 richest are all foreign born.)
Which football clubs do they run?

 

[Gromit]

How did we get to a situation where it's seen that unless you're in the Premiership, the football's not worth bothering with?

Some of the most exciting games I've ever seen have been lower league ones.

I'm not saying it is. I'm saying that we have debts and need money. The prem has that money and more prestige. Both are desirable right now. Swansea certainly ain't moaning that they are prem right now. Trampie keeps lording that prestige over us for one. I bet we would have too.

 

[leftistangel]

Duke of Westminster
Sir Richard Branson
Sir Philip and Lady Green
Earl Cadogan
Sir Anthony Bamford

The five richest britons in the UK (The other 15 top 20 richest are all foreign born.)
Which football clubs do they run?

Whats your point?

 

[editor]

Which football clubs do they run?

Just to get this straight: if we become the 'Cardiff Dragons', playing in a red strip, with a red dragon badge and no mention of the words 'Cardiff City' or 'Bluebirds' anywhere, you'd be quite happy with that, yes?

 

[editor]

I'm not saying it is. I'm saying that we have debts and need money. The prem has that money and more prestige. Both are desirable right now. Swansea certainly ain't moaning that they are prem right now. Trampie keeps lording that prestige over us for one. I bet we would have too.

Ah yes, because once you're in the Premiership all the financials woes disappear forever, right?

 

[leftistangel]

I'm not saying it is. I'm saying that we have debts and need money. The prem has that money and more prestige. Both are desirable right now. Swansea certainly ain't moaning that they are prem right now. Trampie keeps lording that prestige over us for one. I bet we would have too.

It has money, but prestige? Increasingly questionable assertion. Swansea are doing as well as you possibly can for a club of that size with the lack of financial parity, winning a league cup and finishing between 7th and 20th, while avoiding relegation. For now. The side you're playing on Saturday achieved that for ten years and got to the final of the Europa league, though did it by existing beyond their means. How long will it last with Swansea?

 

[editor]

For the record, I think Vincent Tan is the worst owner we've ever had.

Previous owners have broken promises, pocketing cash and shafted the club and its supporters in all sorts of ways - but Tan is the only to have ripped up the heritage overnight and split the fanbase in half, turning fan against fan.

 

[poisondwarf]

Tan on welsh news at the moment saying if the fans are rude to him he might sell up...i fucking hate him.

 

[Gromit]

Just to get this straight: if we become the 'Cardiff Dragons', playing in a red strip, with a red dragon badge and no mention of the words 'Cardiff City' or 'Bluebirds' anywhere, you'd be quite happy with that, yes?

Irrelevant question is irrelevant.

Name is not being changed. Statement to that effect on the website.

 

[poisondwarf]

Irrelevant question is irrelevant.

Name is not being changed. Statement to that effect on the website.

It's not irrelevant at all...so you'd be happy with the dragons' moniker would you?