Cardiff City RedBlueDragonBirds 2012-2013 season

[Lo Siento.]

No.

So it's not just about the fans for you then, is it? I mean, if they founded AFC Cardiff City in the lowest tier what proportion of fans crossing over would make you go with them? More than half? What about the JCLs, do they count the same or less than the people who supported Cardiff in the old 4th Division?

 

[Gromit]

The germans manage it.

 

[discokermit]

There's no such thing as a football club that is a profit-making sustainable business. The options are basically those three, or somebody running it as a not-for-profit community asset (either an individual owner with an emotional investment in the club, or some form of fan ownership)

wolves is, or was when we were in the prem. west bromwich albion is also run at a profit.


edit, i only came to talk about todays match, don't really want to but in on the row.

 

[Gromit]

So it's not just about the fans for you then, is it? I mean, if they founded AFC Cardiff City in the lowest tier what proportion of fans crossing over would make you go with them? More than half? What about the JCLs, do they count the same or less than the people who supported Cardiff in the old 4th Division?

Numbers are irrelevant. It would be if my mates shifted. I might shift with them just to be with my mates.
Or i might go to a new club and make new mates and have just the same sense of community clubs all over have.
Or make new mates at my existing club etc.

 

[Lo Siento.]

wolves is, or was when we were in the prem. west bromwich albion is also run at a profit.

And Wolves were relegated. The general rule is that over the longer term your achievements match your wage bill, some clubs might buck that trend for a season or two, but in general the teams that don't spend as many resources as possible on players are going to fail on the pitch. Even with your two examples you have to look at what kind of profits you're talking about. Are they at the level that would interest a big international investor? A few million pounds in a good year, provided things don't go wrong?

It's not a serious investment prospect for anyone with sense.

 

[Lo Siento.]

The germans manage it.

But Germany's league is structured very differently.

 

[Clint Iguana]

Its on the record that the players decided they would rather not play in blue.

got a link for that 'record'?

 

[editor]

Crystal Palace, what do I win.

That was in 1973 FFS.

 

[discokermit]

And Wolves were relegated. The general rule is that over the longer term your achievements match your wage bill, some clubs might buck that trend for a season or two, but in general the teams that don't spend as many resources as possible on players are going to fail on the pitch. Even with your two examples you have to look at what kind of profits your talking about. Are they at the level that would interest a big international investor? A few million pounds in a good year, provided things don't go wrong?

It's not a serious investment prospect for anyone with sense.

wolves built a new stand when they should have been buying players, but your right, i don't think it would be a serious investment prospect.

 

[Clint Iguana]

Plenty of people want to get to the prem purely because of the status of being a prem club.
Others because of the chance of seeing some of the best football stars in the world play (albeit against us).
Me. I want the money to dig us out of the maaaasive debt Hammam dumped us into. A debt free Cardiff that ends back in the Championship would be fine by me. See where we go from there on a sound financial footing.

But we are getting deeper and deeper in debt and tan has still not paid off Sam.

 

[Threshers_Flail]

Its on the record that the players decided they would rather not play in blue.

Who gives a fuck what they think? As long as they get paid they don't care.

 

[Threshers_Flail]

And has anyone else heard rumours about a meeting this week about forming a new club? I think it's inevitable now that the club will change it's name, and any sight of blue anywhere round the ground will be long gone.

 

[editor]

And has anyone else heard rumours about a meeting this week about forming a new club? I think it's inevitable now that the club will change it's name, and any sight of blue anywhere round the ground will be long gone.

I hope this is true. I want to support a proper Cardiff team with integrity and run by its fans rather than meddling businessmen, and I don't care how low we start off from.

 

[Threshers_Flail]

I hope this is true. I want to support a proper Cardiff team with integrity and run by its fans rather than meddling businessmen, and I don't care how low we start off from.

I don't care one jolt either. I will be a bit worried though that any phoenix club will be dominated by the likes of Annis.

 

[editor]

I didn't realise that Tan actually wanted to get rid of the Bluebird from the start:

The anger that was caused by Tan re-branding the club last summer was because of the decision of one man.

But this week highlighted how many of our supporters actually don’t care about the tradition of the club. That is what hurts the most.

I pray this summer doesn’t lead to further re-branding and, in particular, I sincerely hope that Tan does not decide to rid the club of the Bluebird.

At present the Bluebird is on the badge but that was only after a compromise was reached to reinstate it on the new club crest.

More fans will walk away if the Bluebird is not there, of that I am certain.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/footba...-of-red-rebrand-is-sad-to-see-91466-32866263/

 

[Clint Iguana]

I hope this is true. I want to support a proper Cardiff team with integrity and run by its fans rather than meddling businessmen, and I don't care how low we start off from.

Cardiff Dragons FC anyone?

 

[1927]

Cardiff Dragons FC anyone?

Oh the irony!

 

[1927]

Who gives a fuck what they think? As long as they get paid they don't care.

But they obviously do.

 

[Gromit]

I care about the sports physiology of my players. It affects results.

 

[Clint Iguana]

But they obviously do.

Do you have any evidence of this?

 

[1927]

Do you have any evidence of this?

I wasnt making the allegation that they dont care, i think its up to the accuser to come up with the proof.

 

[Clint Iguana]

I wasnt making the allegation that they dont care, i think its up to the accuser to come up with the proof.

The accuser? You have come out with a statement that something is a matter of public record and you want me to prove it for you?

I dont think it is a matter of public record because i dont think it is true, how am i supposed to prove something has not happened?

(Are you croesyblue in disguise?)

 

[editor]

I care about the sports physiology of my players. It affects results.

Not if they're wearing those magic red shirts, surely?

 

[Gromit]

I liked the term reluctant red in that article.

I think it describes the majority. The poor reluctant red get it in the neck for seemingly being pro-red by the blue camp and tarred with the same brush as the true pro reds who aren't really making it pleasant for people either.

I think us reluctant reds would rather you just leave us out of it and let us enjoy the football instead of laying guilt trips on us for not giving as much as a shit about it as you two groups do.

 

[1927]

The accuser? You have come out with a statement that something is a matter of public record and you want me to prove it for you?

I dont think it is a matter of public record because i dont think it is true, how am i supposed to prove something has not happened?

(Are you croesyblue in disguise?)

Threshers fail post #701 that the players didnt care i replied to that! please keep up

 

[Clint Iguana]

Threshers fail post #701 that the players didnt care i replied to that! please keep up

Post 680 ............

Its on the record that the players decided they would rather not play in blue.

 

[Threshers_Flail]

I care about the sports physiology of my players. It affects results.

This is just utter bullshit. The reason the team are doing so much better this season than last hasn't got anything to do with the rebrand. It is down to the fact that £10 million was spent on a top 6 team. If any club in City's position were to do the same in this league they would also be walking it.

And if the players have come out and said it makes a difference (which I don't think anyone has said) who can blame them? They're more than likely being told to say it by people within the club to win the fans over.

 

[Threshers_Flail]

Threshers fail post #701 that the players didnt care i replied to that! please keep up

Prove it.

 

[1927]

Prove it.

Prove they dont!

 

[Gromit]

This is just utter bullshit. The reason the team are doing so much better this season than last hasn't got anything to do with the rebrand. It is down to the fact that £10 million was spent on a top 6 team. If any club in City's position were to do the same in this league they would also be walking it.

And if the players have come out and said it makes a difference (which I don't think anyone has said) who can blame them? They're more than likely being told to say it by people within the club to win the fans over.

We've had Ubersquads before. They blew it. Partly because of squad depth but also cause they were missing an ethic and positivity that we have this year