TrippyLondoner
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Swansea
Cardiff City 2008-09
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ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
init, quite funny that one"Is the welsh derby gonna be settled by a man called scotland"(a quote from the commentator)
kind of agree with this after seeing the second half in pub, complete with vocal jack supporters! pffft
pissed off, ref had a shocker but tbh jacks seemed more organised
grrrr
Clint Iguana
not an undercover cop
Back home after eight hours of being escorted all over the place by plod. It is a right pain, but i have to say, no matter how many times i see it, 40 coaches of city fans with a full police escort always looks impressive.
There were times when i thought I had gone to watch the ospreys, with some of the most outrageous tackles i have seen for ages going in and the ref not taking a blind bit of notice.
Boothroyd off and Parry on, what's that all about? Parry played with all the enthusiasm of a thing that is not very enthusiastic.
I think the Jacks will miss britton more than we will miss Mcfail
Atmosphere was pretty intense. Trouble between fans was a non starter with gendarme from five different counties in attendance, although battons were blooded in the process of clearing the indigenous population from the area. They really dont like us down there!
Now contemplating the prospect of getting knocked out of the FA cup at the first hurdle.
There were times when i thought I had gone to watch the ospreys, with some of the most outrageous tackles i have seen for ages going in and the ref not taking a blind bit of notice.
Boothroyd off and Parry on, what's that all about? Parry played with all the enthusiasm of a thing that is not very enthusiastic.
I think the Jacks will miss britton more than we will miss Mcfail
Atmosphere was pretty intense. Trouble between fans was a non starter with gendarme from five different counties in attendance, although battons were blooded in the process of clearing the indigenous population from the area. They really dont like us down there!
Now contemplating the prospect of getting knocked out of the FA cup at the first hurdle.
All the Cardiff fans should be giving the main praise to that keeper IMO -- in the second half, he made the biggest difference. Near-relentless Swansea pressure ...
Swansea should have won, they came close to it and dominated the second half -- the man advantage for most of that period really showed.
We just saw the second half (bastard pubs don't open til midday on Sundays!
)Debbie's a Jack (understandably
) and I'm Jack leaning nowadays! (Not talking about Oxford at the moment -- out of the Cup
)I thought it was a pretty good game
Scotland was off his best, but Pintado's equaliser was a cracker.
Have to admit Britton's sending off was thoroughly deserved, having a go at TWO Cardiff players FFS!!!-- but that happened too late to make any difference really. Earlier, I was initially inclined to dispute the penalty for Cardiff ... until I saw the replay from another angle
Sounds like things kicked off a tad after the match though, coppers injured and so on. After the last derby in the secondary cup, Deb drove past the stadium the next day and there were bricks in the road and all sorts ...
Gromit
International Man of Misery
All the Cardiff fans should be giving the main praise to that keeper IMO -- in the second half, he made the biggest difference. Near-relentless Swansea pressure ...
Swansea should have won, they came close to it and dominated the second half -- the man advantage for most of that period really showed.
We just saw the second half (bastard pubs don't open til midday on Sundays!
Debbie's a Jack (understandably
(Not talking about Oxford at the moment -- out of the Cup
I thought it was a pretty good game
Scotland was off his best, but Pintado's equaliser was a cracker.
Have to admit Britton's sending off was thoroughly deserved, having a go at TWO Cardiff players FFS!!!-- but that happened too late to make any difference really. Earlier, I was initially inclined to dispute the penalty for Cardiff ... until I saw the replay from another angle
Sounds like things kicked off a tad after the match though, coppers injured and so on. After the last derby in the secondary cup, Deb drove past the stadium the next day and there were bricks in the road and all sorts ...
There is some video on BBC site. Looks like Swansea supporters were thowing bricks at the coppers for no reason. 2 injured. A disgrace quite frankly.
Sometime the police deserve it but this time it looked unprovoked.
The 'South Wales Derby' once had the reputation of being the most violent match in the British Isles, fans-wise. Some Jacks are pretty neanderthal, as at different times are some Cardiff fans, but the vast majority of both would never stoop to throwing bricks at the cops nowadays. That's cretinous.
Still, I'm one of those weird people who can be objective -- although I'm Jack-sympathising football wise now, I have no particular animosity towards Cardiff, I'm not from South Wales and Swansea are not my team. I quite like em though and they're playing well at the moment, good passing football
Still, I'm one of those weird people who can be objective -- although I'm Jack-sympathising football wise now, I have no particular animosity towards Cardiff, I'm not from South Wales and Swansea are not my team. I quite like em though and they're playing well at the moment, good passing football
spacemonkey
I Love Noodles
Interesting to see the new layout for the stadium.
spacemonkey
I Love Noodles
Also, is it common to have away fans next to the family stand?
Clint Iguana
not an undercover cop
if i remember rightly, before the canton became the family stand, that is how it was in cardiff, with families in the lower grandstand nearest the grange end.
it is risky, but there is method in the madness, less likely to be trouble betwwen away fans and the families.
i am not into football violence at all, but i do think having home and away fans next to eachother in the grange end exchanging banter is what makes the atmoshpre in ninian park, i suspect this will lead to less atmospher in the new ground (as if the all seating thing was not enough).
spacemonkey
I Love Noodles
Yeah totally agree, I'm really worried we won't be able (or be less inclined) to generate the same atmosphere in the new stadium.
Clint Iguana
not an undercover cop
Clint Iguana
not an undercover cop
I hate the fact two welsh clubs hate each other. I'd rather we banded together in disliking Bristol.
Either way there is rivalry and there is being full of hate to the point of violence. I really don't understand that rivialry. It makes me
We cannot even get on at Wales games. When i travel with Wales we always get on reasonably well with Wrexham, this has become increasingly so since Wrexham and Cardiff stuck together when we were getting pelted by the italians in the san-siro. I am sure there are many swansea fans that travel away but it is very rare they 'come out of the closet' as it were; when they do, there is trouble.
Interesting to note that at yesterdays game the number of welsh dragons on display in the home end was equaled by the number of union jacks and spanish flags!
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
Spacemonkey is there a chance you could repost that pics but just slightly smaller as its a pain to have to keep scrolling back and for to see the zones and prices!!
Eta. Just realised that that diagram is wrong anyway as it includes the premier seats as season ticket areas.
Eta. Just realised that that diagram is wrong anyway as it includes the premier seats as season ticket areas.
Clint Iguana
not an undercover cop
Spacemonkey is there a chance you could repost that pics but just slightly smaller as its a pain to have to keep scrolling back and for to see the zones and prices!!
Eta. Just realised that that diagram is wrong anyway as it includes the premier seats as season ticket areas.
it be on the official website, including details of when you can buy
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
We don't "come out of the closet" at Wales games because it usually results in Cardiff's finest meatheads trying to kick seven shades of shit out of us. It tends to make sense not to let it known your a jack.
Also Spanish flags are probably outnumbering all flags at the Liberty at the moment.
Viva Abertawe!
Yes there were. There was also Swans fans with Welsh flags, Spanish flags, Basque flags, Belgian flags, New Zealand flags and probably others I didn't notice.
How does taking a flag to a football match make you a prick?
I'd be surprised if there were many. The few home Swansea games I've been to (not including the most recent one), I saw scarecly any (one or two at most ever?) -- FAR more Welsh and Spanish etc., as Buds says.
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
Yes there were. There was also Swans fans with Welsh flags, Spanish flags, Basque flags, Belgian flags, New Zealand flags and probably others I didn't notice.
How does taking a flag to a football match make you a prick?
because it's the union jack praps????
in Wales praps??
knuckleheads trying to make a controversial statement praps?
or pricks being prickish pricks praps??
or all the above
cmon the pair of you!
Clint Iguana
not an undercover cop
We don't "come out of the closet" at Wales games because it usually results in Cardiff's finest meatheads trying to kick seven shades of shit out of us. It tends to make sense not to let it known your a jack.
Also Spanish flags are probably outnumbering all flags at the Liberty at the moment.
Viva Abertawe!
Given Swansea claim to be as big a team as Cardiff and going by the mob that gathered outside the liberty on sunday to 'have a go', I am surprised to hear that swansea fans are scared of Cardiff when following wales. It could be argued that cardiff fans should also be scared of weariing colours for fear of Swansea's finest meatheads trying to kick the shit out of us, but it just dont happen. Now i dont want to get into a my dad is bigger than your dad argument cos i think hooliganism is niether big or clever, but i am curious as to whether it is the case that swansea are afraid of cardiff, or whether it is a case of the jacks just dont follow wales.
There has been a tradition of trouble between wrexham and cardiff in the past, yet when we follow wales cardiff and wrexham stick together, so do merthyr, TNS and even newport county. Swansea 'lads' however, seem incapable of getting on with anyone. I have drunk with jacks before games while abroad and had a good laugh with them, so i know that some do travel, but i have certainly never come across more than a handfull.
When i go away i tend to travel with lads and lasses that run the 'football embassy' for the welsh football supporters federation and there is a big emphasis put on wearing red for wales, especially on match days. I agree with this and think club rivalry should be set aside for international games.
I think this whole conversation came about by someone saying they hated the fact that welsh clubs hate eachother, but i do sometimes wonder if many swansea fans actually consider themselves to be welsh. I know that theoretically the union jack is a british flag, but you would NEVER see one in the home end of ninian park...... and it is not that long ago that the bloody red hand of ulster flag was regulalry seen flying at swansea games!
But how many Swansea fans would favour a UJ over a Welsh or (very common, now) Spanish flag?
I've seen FAR more Spanish and Welsh flags at the Liberty than Union Jacks, which I've very rarely seen, never more than a couple or so. Is the problem being exaggerated? I only ask ...
(That said, I obviously wasn't there last Sunday)
I'd be doubtful about the suggestion that Swans fans don't support Wales -- they do, surely, and in numbers?
Dunno whether rugby is relevant here ?? but with the Internationals usually happening the day after a home footy game, the pubs in Jackland get PACKED for Wales rugby games, and loads go over to Cardiff for Internationals.
I do agree with ddraig that any odd idiot who would bring a Union Jack to the stadium is pretty likely to be a deliberately 'controversial' idiot, but as a non expert who as a friendly neutral has been to a few games now, I doubt that said meatheads are any more than a tiny and idiotic minority. You get a few idiots at all games Cardiff included (and my own team Oxford too) but they're not representative.
I've seen FAR more Spanish and Welsh flags at the Liberty than Union Jacks, which I've very rarely seen, never more than a couple or so. Is the problem being exaggerated? I only ask ...
(That said, I obviously wasn't there last Sunday)
I'd be doubtful about the suggestion that Swans fans don't support Wales -- they do, surely, and in numbers?
Dunno whether rugby is relevant here ?? but with the Internationals usually happening the day after a home footy game, the pubs in Jackland get PACKED for Wales rugby games, and loads go over to Cardiff for Internationals.
I do agree with ddraig that any odd idiot who would bring a Union Jack to the stadium is pretty likely to be a deliberately 'controversial' idiot, but as a non expert who as a friendly neutral has been to a few games now, I doubt that said meatheads are any more than a tiny and idiotic minority. You get a few idiots at all games Cardiff included (and my own team Oxford too) but they're not representative.
editor
hiraethified
Do a little research into Welsh history. Or maybe try and see what bits of the Welsh flag you can see in the Union Jack and then wonder why a Welsh fan would wave it about to represent their club. Or maybe take a closer look at the politics of those Jacks coming to games with Union Jacks.How does taking a flag to a football match make you a prick?
editor
hiraethified
Maybe this might offer a little background too: http://lancasteruaf.blogspot.com/2008/02/griffin-to-visit-swansea.html
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Clint Iguana
not an undercover cop
Logic tells me that they must travel and as i have said i have drunk with the odd one or two, but certainly not in numbers. The crowd i travel with fill a coach to the airport as a minimum, there have even been occasions when we have chartered our own plane. When we get where we are going the hotel is often over taken by city fans, and many of the hotels around the respective city, but i have NEVER heard of and significant groups of swansea travelling in such a way.
Perhaps it is just down to numbers, cardiff have fans as far west as neath, and a regular posse from London/Essex. There is a bus comes down from hollyhead to most home games and all the away games up north. There is even a posse that come over from Australia for the big games. As far as i am aware apart from a handful of jacks in aberdare the majority of swansea fans are from swansea. So maybe it is just that there aint that many jacks about?
