Car Clamper / Was I Right To Leave Him..

[detective-boy]

You had absolutely no obligation to help him at all.

Any choice you made would be entirely based on your own choice. How he (as opposed to other clampers) has previously behaved in relation to you and your friends is entirely relevant to that decision.

I don't think I would have helped him either in the circumstances you describe. (I use the same argument with parking attendants - you piss me about (again today - one tyre 2" over a line = ticket) and if I see you getting your head kicked in I really am not going to get involved. They don't seem to understand the connection)

(I know people use the same argument re- the police and how they behave and I have every sympathy with it - subject only to the fact I treat each INDIVIDUAL as I find and do not visit the sins of one on all the others)

 

[WasGeri]

What a great advert for the police you are.

 

[Wess]

Depends on the situation but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't of helped him either.

Petty bureaucratic cunts.

 

[soulman]

What a great advert for the police you are.

What else do you expect from the police?

I'd have phoned for an ambulance and taken the opportunity to explain to the shit that parasites who prey on the community, bully, intimidate and try to extort money from other people deserve all they get. I'd also have reminded him that news like this spreads like wildfire and he can expect to get another kicking soon if he carries on doing it and next time he might not be so lucky.

 

[Oxpecker]

I'd have been sorely tempted to walk on by; but I'd have helped him. I couldn't see an injured person and not help.

I certainly wouldn't start a thread about it though, either way.

 

[laptop]

How about this, help the poor sod whilst letting him know what people's problem with him is. He could be there bleeding to fucking death. That's a far better way of affecting how people act.

Thassa one. "You've been a cunt, I'm going to help you, and after this you're going to find a proper job."

Meanwhile, by DS' logic, next time he parks in an irregular fashion, it's not going to get clamped, it's going to get torched. And I ain't going to put it out.

 

[dirtyfruit]

I might piss on it! assuming i need it

 

[wtfftw]

If someone is lying at the side of the street or whatever, and they're visibly beaten or injured, you get help. you don't weigh up morality, medical possibilities or the victim's criminal record. you get help.

to do otherwise is the act of a cunt, frankly

Basically.

 

[Pingu]

going totally off topic but helping to clear summit up..


woolyback is derived from scab labour that was used to unload the ships at Liverpool. The scab labour was from Lancashire\yorkshire and they used to wear sheepskin on their backs to make carrying things more comfortable. hence woolyback being used as a derogatory term for someone from outside of liverpool. It may have diff origins outside of liverpool though.



anyhow back on topic


my money is now on the parking enforcement being even twattier

 

[Structaural]

Doesnt apply to this guy AFAIC. Anyone else I would of carried them on my shouldder to the hospital if neccessary the problem here is that no one on urban is aware of a nasty peice of shit this prick is. I will not, i repeat not display any form of decency to wankers like the one in question. Ive three years of history with this wanker. Ive been decent to him for 3 yrs. Iv been thru all the proper channels yet hes left to bully local motorists into handing over money. What kind of sick fuck leaves a women with two kids and a car clamp 1/2hr before she's meant to pick another one up from school just because her permits 3 days out of date despite the fact he knows full well shes entitled to park there. Its petty shit like that. Hes shown nothing but, comtempt for everyone on our street. Spiteful fucker.

I think you've lost any right to judge this man. A 'spiteful fucker' also applies to you DS, more so in fact. But hey you're in good company (I was reminded of this story, some people don't even need an excuse to not help):

hardly anyone helps dying man

 

[chinchilla]

I would be too worried about my own conscience not to have helped.

I believe I have a set of principles and would like to think i would not compromise them based on the actions of others.

There is that old hypothetical situation, if you were the doctor that the guy was hopefully eventually brought to, would you have refused to treat him?

Everyone knows the world is full of nasty people who deliberately make other peoples lives harder than they should be, he was obviously one of them, don't become one yourself.

 

[Fruitloop]

I think you've lost any right to judge this man. A 'spiteful fucker' also applies to you DS, more so in fact. But hey you're in good company (I was reminded of this story, some people don't even need an excuse to not help):

hardly anyone helps dying man

This is why is was slightly surprised at the overwhelming opinion that there was a moral obligation to render people assistance regardless of situation - because IME it's almost never how people behave in practice (although thankfully there are noteworthy exceptions). I used to think it was a big-city thing, but having now spent plenty of time living in the country as well I'm not so sure.

 

[Wolveryeti]

This is why is was slightly surprised at the overwhelming opinion that there was a moral obligation to render people assistance regardless of situation - because IME it's almost never how people behave in practice (although thankfully there are noteworthy exceptions). I used to think it was a big-city thing, but having now spent plenty of time living in the country as well I'm not so sure.

I agree... I think there are a lot of fantasists on this thread. I also think its hilarious that the people who claim they're the champions of 'common decency ' by sticking up for a really scummy individual are in the same breath abusing people just for disagreeing with them, and slandering people's entire moral code just for the way they'd deal with one situation.

 

[Dubversion]

are in the same breath abusing people just for disagreeing with them,

twat

slandering people's entire moral code just for the way they'd deal with one situation.

if that one situation is a fairly indicative one, why the hell not?

 

[Wolveryeti]

twat




if that one situation is a fairly indicative one, why the hell not?

This entire thread has convinced me you've got some kind of serious mental problem. Did someone piss in your mother or something?

 

[Dubversion]

This entire thread has convinced me you've got some kind of serious mental problem. Did someone piss in your mother or something?

that's not very nice now, is it?

 

[Wolveryeti]

Harsh but fair, I'd say. All your replies seem to be expletive laden babble.

 

[PacificOcean]

I agree... I think there are a lot of fantasists on this thread. I also think its hilarious that the people who claim they're the champions of 'common decency ' by sticking up for a really scummy individual are in the same breath abusing people just for disagreeing with them, and slandering people's entire moral code just for the way they'd deal with one situation.

You use the term common decency like its a bad thing.

Scummy indivdual? He's only a car clamper FFS! Not Gary Glitter.

 

[Tinker_bell]

I've read all of this thread and, while i don't agree with DS not calling an ambulance at least, i don't think the personal insults, that some people have directed at him, are necessary either.

 

[Fruitloop]

You use the term common decency like its a bad thing.

Scummy indivdual? He's only a car clamper FFS! Not Gary Glitter.

Well, dirtysanta's point was that he was known to him as an unpleasant bully, so it's not purely about his choice of occupation. I guess that's why I have some sympathy with his position - if there's one thing I can't stand it's bullies.

 

[PacificOcean]

Well, dirtysanta's point was that he was known to him as an unpleasant bully, so it's not purely about his choice of occupation. I guess that's why I have some sympathy with his position - if there's one thing I can't stand it's bullies.

He is not an actual bully, just a car clamper. He wouldn't be able to clamp you if you didn't park illegaly.

 

[Fruitloop]

Have you read the thread? That's not how I understood it - according to ds there have been numerous complaints about him over an extended period of time, and he is intentionally unreasonable and unpleasant. If he was in fact just doing his job then I would feel rather differently about the situation, but obviously I'll never know the exact facts of the case.

 

[Wolveryeti]

You use the term common decency like its a bad thing.

Scummy indivdual? He's only a car clamper FFS! Not Gary Glitter.

Common decency is one of those phrases like common sense that don't really mean anything because everyone invokes them to cover different things. It's not common at all.
And some of them are really, really bad. Read what DS said about him.

 

[dirtysanta]

He is not an actual bully, just a car clamper. He wouldn't be able to clamp you if you didn't park illegaly.

PO. its got fuck all to do with his job. Its the way he goes about it. He is a bully. Myself and residents have seen it first hand. Jesus Christ this guys been the subject of about 15 complaints and has twive been arrested for threantening behavior. hes a fucking animal.

Do you honestly think that a normal average person like me would leave a fella lying in street just because he was a car clamper. FFS.

 

[Dubversion]

PO. its got fuck all to do with his job. Its the way he goes about it. He is a bully. Myself and residents have seen it first hand. Jesus Christ this guys been the subject of about 15 complaints and has twive been arrested for threantening behavior.

Do you honestly think that a normal average person like me would leave a fella lying in street just because he was a car clamper. FFS.

i still don't see where you draw the line? how bad does somebody have to be for you to leave them? and how good for you to do something? can't you see that you're playing Judge and jury by doing this.

 

[Fruitloop]

And why not? It's your assistance after all, to offer or not as you see fit.

 

[Dubversion]

And why not? It's your assistance after all, to offer or not as you see fit.

as i said to somebody earlier on the thread, i hope next time you're in trouble or danger nobody is arrogant and callous enough to sit in judgement on you, eh? or are you totally unblemished?

 

[Fruitloop]

I'm prepared to live with the consequences of my actions.

 

[Dubversion]

pompous highminded arse.

 

[PacificOcean]

And why not? It's your assistance after all, to offer or not as you see fit.

And in one sentence we have what's wrong with this country, actually what's wrong with the world - the fuck you attitude.

Someone needed help, regardless of his background I would have given it.