Captain Sir Tom Moore RiP

[butchersapron]

The most important thing is whether he was an unconscious tory super-spreader of possible voimt inducing non-british mawkish hysteria or not.

If not, well i applaud him.

Oh hang on, the british army?
Blimey.

 

[planetgeli]

Sky reporting he was taken into hospital early Jan with pneumonia, then discharged, some days later he tested positive for covid and was readmitted.

Well his family seem pretty adamant that he didn't go to hospital until Sunday.

 

[Pickman's model]

Oh dear.
I hope it's curable? That sounds awful

it cannot always be cured

 

[Pickman's model]

Boris should hang his head in shame when he praises the actions of this 99 year old

he was 100

 

[brogdale]

He had caught Covid before being admitted to hospital, while living with his family, from what I could make out.

Not according to what I heard on the radio...but whatever...not the most important thing about the man.

 

[Aladdin]

it cannot always be cured

 

[Pickman's model]

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[farmerbarleymow]

He had a good innings and seemed to have died quickly which is all any of us can hope for.

 

[butchersapron]

& indian army

The horrors never end. Why did we not know about this monster before?

 

[Ax^]

he was 100

can we still hang Boris even after my mistake?

 

[Thora]

Genuinely glad he got to have a nice holiday with his family.

 

[Pickman's model]

The horrors never end. Why did we not know about this monster before?

sorry, i was wrong: british army as you said

 

[JTG]

I note with interest that all the people who are usually at pains to point out that nearly everyone dying is over 60 and/or has an underlying condition and therefore would have died shortly anyway are now saying what terrible news this is

 

[Wilf]

Something broke when Diana Spencer was killed, and public death is political capital.

Some (very) old bloke who, I guess, none us knew performed an honourable gesture - for which, whatever else, he should be respected and commended.

Whilst noting that we should, and are noting how that action (and symbol of 'Capt Tom') was taken and abused by the very people who created the conditions in which his actions became necessary. They will be loud voices over the coming days.

I also note, in passing, the BBC headline "died with Covid". Every minute of coverage is going to be weaponised.

He's just an old bloke who did something good for others. That's what we need to remember him for. Thanks and RIP Tom.

This.

 

[Ax^]

look if we are going to demonise Sir tom can we just do it for making a song with Michael Ball

 

[spudulike]

He tested positive before he went to hospital.

Correct. Outstanding achievement and for the majority, a much-needed inspiration.

However, I'm puzzled about the relatives around him in hospital. If they were the same ones that lived with him, shouldn't they be self-isolating for 14 days from the date of his positive test? Law says you can attend a funeral but there isn't an exception to leave home even for end of life hospital visits as far as I can see. Probably missed something as it's complicated but not self-isolating when required is now a criminal offence.

 

[JTG]

Correct. Outstanding achievement and for the majority, a much-needed inspiration.

However, I'm puzzled about the relatives around him in hospital. If they were the same ones that lived with him, shouldn't they be self-isolating for 14 days from the date of his positive test? Law says you can attend a funeral but there isn't an exception to leave home even for end of life hospital visits as far as I can see. Probably missed something as it's complicated but not self-isolating when required is now a criminal offence.

Ah but he had a knighthood and was on the telly a lot

 

[Pickman's model]

Ah but he had a knighthood and was on the telly a lot

so cynical

 

[JTG]

so cynical

Being knighted by Madge actually confers special powers that mean you can't transmit a deadly virus to your family. I'm delighted that this came in handy in his last few days

 

[butchersapron]

Something broke when Diana Spencer was killed, and public death is political capital.

No it didn't. What broke? There were mass displays of maudlinity before, always have been. In this country too. The idea that something in our national pysche (no such thing) broke over that is crazy. What broke was a war-time idea of unbreakable britishness that involved a male not giving up idea of some crying or whatever, with a supportive wife at home.

 

[Wilf]

A 100% derail: I'm always impressed when you hear the lifestory of people his age. Maybe all the angsty stuff that's there in everybody's life gets washed out of the story, but they always sound like a story of just fucking getting on with things. Unflashy, unflappable type stuff. Maybe I'm buying into it too much, but ordinary people who are quite good at living their life.

 

[killer b]

Something broke when Diana Spencer was killed, and public death is political capital.

I'm not sure how true this is - she might be the most extreme recent example but I don't think it's anything new.

 

[Ax^]

number 10.. this guy is a national hero and inspiration who raised 32 million for the NHS

now remember that and not that we been underfunding it for so long this was necessary during a global pandemic

 

[chilango]

I'm not sure how true this is - she might be the most extreme recent example but I don't think it's anything new.

I'd never seen anything like it.

Mass outpourings of grief, sure (Hillsborough springs to mind as one I experienced) but nothing like the spectacle of Diana's death.

 

[wayward bob]

Genuinely glad he got to have a nice holiday with his family.

genuinely surprised he was allowed 3 family members at his bedside against hospital policy.

 

[Ax^]

I'd never seen anything like it.

Mass outpourings of grief, sure (Hillsborough springs to mind as one I experienced) but nothing like the spectacle of Diana's death.

the biggest sceptical of Diana death for me as a recent entry to the country at the time was the first edition of the paper that day
saying her sons had broken away from her for dating dodie


then suddenly she a national hero..

sir tom is a slightly different case, not sure the public interest hounded Tom to his death

 

[butchersapron]

I'd never seen anything like it.

Mass outpourings of grief, sure (Hillsborough springs to mind as one I experienced) but nothing like the spectacle of Diana's death.

Don't have to see it, the use of funerals by chartists. Come on man.

 

[Petcha]

genuinely surprised he was allowed 3 family members at his bedside against hospital policy.

Well he also jetted off to Barbados with his family for 2 weeks in December with no social distancing while every other person over the age of 70 in the country was shielding. That's the awkward truth, sorry.

 

[killer b]

I'd never seen anything like it.

Mass outpourings of grief, sure (Hillsborough springs to mind as one I experienced) but nothing like the spectacle of Diana's death.

I hadn't either, but I was like 19 or something. I haven't seen anything much like it since either, so I don't think events like that come along that often.

 

[butchersapron]

I'd never seen anything like it.

Mass outpourings of grief, sure (Hillsborough springs to mind as one I experienced) but nothing like the spectacle of Diana's death.

What was the difference then between this and past spectacles - the functions and how it works etc

edit: as if the idea of the spectacle is not embarrassingly dated