Canterbury Arms, Brixton to be turned into flats - planning application
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SarfLondoner
KenDoddsDadsDogsDead.
I agree that we need mixed community's but the government dont do they? Otherwise we wouldn't be witnessing all the social and to some degree ethnic cleansing that is in motion. Do you think the rich want to live next door to poor people. I recently saw a flyer in a shop window in Beaulah hill objecting to a Lidl opening up one of the objections was that the said shop and the customers it attracts would somehow "lower the tone of the area" I would expect that in leafy surrey but not in south London. So my answer is poor or less well off people are happy to live and share there community but more affluent people are not. There seems to be a belief that if you pay a heap of money for your overpriced home you should be able to choose your neighbours and to some degree your surroundings too.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
60% social housing in an area isn't a 'poor ghetto' lacking in social mix is it? Not everyone in that social housing will be poor, and there's still 40% of non-social housing there which is a pretty big percentage.
ETA: Actually I've added the 'ghetto' - the actual term used was 'zones of rich and poor'. I think the intent is the same tbh but just adding this for accuracy.
ETA: Actually I've added the 'ghetto' - the actual term used was 'zones of rich and poor'. I think the intent is the same tbh but just adding this for accuracy.
leanderman
Street Party: July 2
It's 61 per cent in social housing in Coldharbour.
The borough average is 38 per cent.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
OK so it has a higher percentage of social housing than average. That's not the same at all as being an area only populated by poor people.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
The government, comprised as it is of people whose cultural breadth is relatively narrow (I'd also make the same point about new Labour and the Lib-Dems - public school, Oxbridge or Russell Group, bugger all contact with non-political employment), don't even think of mixed communities, in my opinion. The idea of different people co-existing isn't something they want or need to contemplate.
As you say, this facilitates social cleansing (which, as a consequence, also acts as ethnic cleansing in some instances) of the poor and the different in the inner cities (and most especially in London, so far) that is directly beneficial to theose able to afford amped-up property prices (property prices which support the economy by balancing everything on Osborne's property bubble, flattering to decieve that the economy isn't still as listless as a dosser after a 7-day binge).
That'd be the south London that was home to the original wall down the centre of a road, dividing the posh part of a street from the riff-raff part?
The whole "lowering the tone" schtick is still used far and wide in the UK. A dozen or so miles up the road from my folks in north Norfolk is a town called Sheringham, which is somewhat legendary in activist circles for stiff resistance to Tesco putting a supermarket in the town - the original objection was that Tesco would "lower the tone"!
I'm kind of sanguine about the Nobs segregating themselves. If nothing else, it means that the burglars know whom to target.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
To hear some of the Coldharbour and adjacent ward councillors bleat, you'd think that 60% was 100%, and that rather than assuring their safe return at every election, that it was a personal affront to them, to have so many social housing tenants in their wards.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Sounds interesting i will look that article up, Enjoy your "few"
Thanks for tip of the articles leanderman
Here with radical solution- use increased productivity to free people from work.
And here more detail on reduction on share of GDP for workforces across the world.
Though weakening of power of labour vs capital since Thatcher / Reagan is thought by some to have played a bigger role than Economist say here. That there has been a redistribution of wealth upwards. So decreasing the % that workers ( that is most of us) get.
boohoo
No.
The lady in the bakery was telling me a bit more about it. Over the years the small diversity of shops and community have disappeared - there are about 4 or 5 shops to rent up there in the little estate agents. Lidl would mark the end of any new business moving into the area. It's unlikely to become the home of trendy boutique shops and cafes because it's too off the beaten track. Lidl would also cause potential traffic problems. As for the issue of lowering the tone, I think that's an attempt to try and get a few more people on board - those who might worry about the value of their home decreasing ( not that I could really see that happening).
SarfLondoner
KenDoddsDadsDogsDead.
The flyer i saw was saying lidl would attract street drinkers and alcoholics who come to buy cheap booze, It also says a lidl is not in keeping with the local area. It never mentioned the effect it may have on local buisness nor did it mention traffic problems. I was in crystal palace today and noticed 4 estate agents ( 1 being a foxtons). It is quite obvious that gentrification is in motion and the nimby attitude has already reared it's ugly head.
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
They might buy cheap booze in Lidl - but not up to the requisite strength. Lidl only have own-brand "super" for special occasions like 2 weeks before Christmas - and then it's only a measly 8.4% abv!
SarfLondoner
KenDoddsDadsDogsDead.
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
We've got those. We want an Aldi - on the former icerink!
SarfLondoner
KenDoddsDadsDogsDead.
Netto was good too, but seems to have vanished. Doe's anyone remember kwik save? It took over the tesco when they moved to Acre lane.
leanderman
Street Party: July 2
Wrong! Better wine in Aldi!!
TruXta
tired
I don't buy wine in either so I wouldn't know really.
boohoo
No.
If sainburys or waitrose moved in the local snobs wouldnt give a fuck. Its not about booze its about the brand. Tarquin couldnt possibly tell his friends he lives opposite or above a lidl it would cause outrage.
Do you live around crown point? Or do you have lots of friends this way?
I'm not quite sure why we are cheering on the plans for Lidl - I suppose it's slightly better than Tesco because their revenue is only 6 billion less than Tesco. And they are not cheaper than Tesco's value range - I've done the price comparison.
And I am aware that sometimes the cheap item is better quality (whole threads about this on moneysavingexpert).
If people want to shop at Lidl, there is one at Norbury and Streatham.
boohoo
No.
The Foxtons is new. They are putting their fingers in every possible pie. Gentrification of Crystal Palace has been happening for a long time.
leanderman
Street Party: July 2
They are planning dozens of new branches. Nowhere will be immune.
boohoo
No.
Norbury? Thornton Heath?
boy about town
Member
But the original question of your own personal interest (your words), remains unanswered .
SarfLondoner
KenDoddsDadsDogsDead.
No i dont live around crown point and im not " cheering on the plans for Lidl". I pointed out that there was a campaign to oppose one opening, the reasons for that was it would attract alcoholics and undesirables and it would lower the tone of the neighbourhood. My original post is #272 it was a reponse to a question i was asked.
I endorsed Post #265 with a "like", I'm sorry if that was too subtle for you.
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
Netto nationally was bought by Asda - and closed (at least in Peckham and Mitcham).
Kwik Save (as a national enterprise) merged with Somerfield which then merged with the Co-op. Say no more.
Kwik Save in Brixton market was shut down because the lease ran out and Network Rail, or whatever it was at the time were unreasonably greedy in their requirement for an "inflation increase".
Ms T
Honey-coloured ramparts
And Halfords/Currys is obviously the perfect site.
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
What makes you think that Halfords/Currys are giving up the ghost?
boohoo
No.
It seems to be a bit of a nutty local story with two warring factions of a residents association, one supporting and one opposing the lidl:
http://uppernorwoodra.wordpress.com/
http://uppernorwoodresidentsassociation.wordpress.com/
There are street drinkers up here already. The neighbourhood is not posh though there are pockets of very expensive houses. You pass quite a lot of judgment on the area so I presumed you must know it very well.
Anti-Lidl campaign happened in Stockwell too.
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