Brixton's Club 414 - closure, news, discussion

[Twattor]

Because having an all night club on the ground floor would be too vibrant for the nu-residents.

Not necessarily. You can beef up the soundproofing to an extent that you can't hear a thing. The difficult bit is always the outside smoking area and queuing/dispersal.

This country really needs a law that prevents incomers complaining about an existing nuisance.

 

[Orang Utan]

I don't want to labour this point, but simply inferring or suggesting something could still be seen as defamatory, so it's something I tend to be wary of.

imply, not infer. sorry to be pedantic, but a writer implies, and a reader infers.

 

[David Clapson]

Except the night club already exists.

If you want the quiet of the suburbs, fuck off back to the suburbs and don't move in next to a nightclub that has been operating for 30 years.

<ed: removed:. See post #60>

 

[David Clapson]

Except the night club already exists.

If you want the quiet of the suburbs, fuck off back to the suburbs and don't move in next to a nightclub that has been operating for 30 years.

Or fuck off back to Poland, as appropriate.

 

[editor]

Or fuck off back to Poland, as appropriate.

See post #60.

 

[David Clapson]

Noise complaints, which can deprive the 414 of its licence, are very much ON topic. This thread is about who's for the 414 and who's against it.

 

[editor]

Noise complaints, which can deprive the 414 of its licence, are very much ON topic. This thread is about who's for the 414 and who's against it.

The 414's future is not in doubt over noise issues. That has been resolved to the council's satisfaction. It is in doubt because of the planning application to turn it in to a restaurant and (no doubt) luxury flats.

 

[David Clapson]

Why don't you just be honest and explain why you're operating double standards?

 

[Dan U]

https://www.change.org/p/lambeth-co...publish&utm_term=mob-xs-share_petition-no_msg

Link to a petition is here. I've signed it fwiw

 

[innit]

https://www.change.org/p/lambeth-co...publish&utm_term=mob-xs-share_petition-no_msg

Link to a petition is here. I've signed it fwiw

Signed. It's gathering signatures at a fair pace this morning

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

Signed. The last person before me to sign it was 'Andy Carroll' - maybe it actually is that one given the pic of him off his tits that's been going round for a while.

 

[Peanut Monkey]

https://www.change.org/p/lambeth-co...publish&utm_term=mob-xs-share_petition-no_msg

Link to a petition is here. I've signed it fwiw

Needs just one more signing to reach 1000. Not bad for just one day.

 

[Dan U]

Signed. The last person before me to sign it was 'Andy Carroll' - maybe it actually is that one given the pic of him off his tits that's been going round for a while.

I'd like to say it was but it isn't. I know what that is!

 

[cuppa tee]

I am wondering what would the consequences of the proposed change mean
for the Prince Albert pub [ and it's beer garden]
if it was to suddenly find itself next door to residential properties ?

 

[editor]

I am wondering what would the consequences of the proposed change mean
for the Prince Albert pub [ and it's beer garden]
if it was to suddenly find itself next door to residential properties ?

I'd say all of Coldharbour Lane late night economy is under threat.

All of the club/bar owners know they're facing the growing threat of a 2am total close down along this stretch. I think things are going to get worse for Market House, Dogstar etc., although the notion that everyone will then go quietly home at 2am is extra fucking stupid.

 

[CH1]

I am wondering what would the consequences of the proposed change mean
for the Prince Albert pub [ and it's beer garden]
if it was to suddenly find itself next door to residential properties ?

The beer garden would probably end up a gentile affair with early curfew, like The Trinity.

 

[Winot]

The beer garden would probably end up a gentile affair with early curfew, like The Trinity.

No more room for the chosen people?

 

[editor]

The beer garden would probably end up a gentile affair with early curfew, like The Trinity.

Or the Duke of Edinburgh. Remember the wonderful parties they used to have in their huge garden their before the nu-residents busied themselves lodging complaints about the over vibrancy of the vibrant pub they'd just moved right next to?

No wonder the Grosvenor guvnor got out before the shit could start.

 

[CH1]

No more room for the chosen people?

My apologies - neuralogical spell check cannot engage before noon - GENTEEL

 

[DJWrongspeed]

I spoke to Tony of the 414. He's fighting it and wants lots of objections to the planning application.

Making an objection in the planning application carries more weight than the petition.
10-15yrs ago I'd say oh well it's had it's time. Now with so many clubs under threat it just seems to be vital that another licence is not lost. There's just no way it could move anywhere in Brixton is there let's face it?

Edit: didn't realise that Crucifix club , London Bridge, had close in April.

 

[Rushy]

The 414's future is not in doubt over noise issues. That has been resolved to the council's satisfaction.

What has been resolved? I'm awfully confused by this. Was the post that a member of the Albert management team submitted a noise complaint against 414 true or fabricated?

Noise issues are unfortunately relevant to this application. Whilst no specific complaints have been referenced in the application, noise and it's effect on the amenity of neighbours *is* mentioned. The application says in its own support that the proposed use would have a less detrimental impact on neighbouring amenity. Any logged complaints are usually available internally. They often come up on searches too.

 

[Rushy]

My apologies - neuralogical spell check cannot engage before noon - GENTEEL

It could have been worse.

 

[editor]

Whilst no specific complaints have been referenced in the application...

Well, let's stick to what is referenced in the application.

 

[Rushy]

Well, let's stick to what is referenced in the application.

Very selective quoting there.

Noise issues are unfortunately relevant to this application. Whilst no specific complaints have been referenced in the application, noise and it's effect on the amenity of neighbours *is* mentioned. The application says in its own support that the proposed use would have a less detrimental impact on neighbouring amenity. Any logged complaints are usually available internally. They often come up on searches too.

More intriguing by the minute.

 

[Mr Retro]

Or the Duke of Edinburgh. Remember the wonderful parties they used to have in their huge garden their before the nu-residents busied themselves lodging complaints about the over vibrancy of the vibrant pub they'd just moved right next to?

I'd be interested to read proof of it being newcomers to that area of Ferndale road being the cause of complaints.

 

[Rushy]

I'd be interested to read proof of it being newcomers to that area of Ferndale road being the cause of complaints.

Indeed. There's been plenty of discussion about this before.

 

[Dan U]

Or the Duke of Edinburgh. Remember the wonderful parties they used to have in their huge garden their before the nu-residents busied themselves lodging complaints about the over vibrancy of the vibrant pub they'd just moved right next to?

No wonder the Grosvenor guvnor got out before the shit could start.

They were excellent.

 

[editor]

I'd be interested to read proof of it being newcomers to that area of Ferndale road being the cause of complaints.

That was pretty much common knowledge at the time - the garden mini-festivals came to a crashing halt not long after the new flats opened up. In fact, a friend of mine knows one of the people who moved in and then complained - and he used to be a regular in the garden!

But no, I'm sorry, I'm unable to produce written statements and documentation. Why do you think the parties ended?

 

[Mr Retro]

I can just speak from my experience. I lived on Bythorn Street.

There were 2 people who got that area to put in objections and who were active in general getting people to lodge objections (my experience was mainly from the 24 hour drinking objections back then). That was a gentleman who lived on a house backing onto the Duke and the gentleman who was caretaker of the Almshouses at the time. Both were there well before the new flats.

Now people in the flats may well have objected. But it was not them pitching up in the area that caused the first objections. It was going on well before that because nobody was in favour of the "mini-festivals" who lived close by. And who can blame them?

I realise the above doesn't fit neatly into your "nu-residents" narrative but it's how it was.

 

[Rushy]

Because the pub exploited the tolerance of the existing neighbours by increasing the size, loudness and frequency of the (admittedly fun) parties and then installed an enormous amplified outdoor sports screen, so that when they weren't listening to music they were listening to bloody match of the day.

Incidentally, the whilst posting this from beneath the shade of a tree, a pigeon shat on my hat. I think it must have been eating something purple.