ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Fair dos, but I don't think you've ever claimed to be a witness to the goings-on on it. You're not even the same postcode I don't think.
Nope, I'm SW2 and have been for the last 16 years.
Fair dos, but I don't think you've ever claimed to be a witness to the goings-on on it. You're not even the same postcode I don't think.
A very local blow-in. AFAIK he's never lived outside of South London.Ah, a blow-in
Not even the pretence of reason now, I see. I'm not a 'copper' nor have I have ever been one. But it is no insult as far I'm concerned.
As it happens, I came to Brixton after serving a sentence in Pentonville Prison. I've lived here for 23 years. I post using only one name, 'Emet', and I've only been a member of urban75 since the 'Clifton Mansions' thread started. I was a squatter in Clifton Mansions.
I'm a Londoner, born in Whitechapel. A proper cockney.You still never told me if you were Irish or not?
A wrong un then - born the wrong side of the Thames.I'm a Londoner, born in Whitechapel. A proper cockney.
Quite foreign.A wrong un then - born the wrong side of the Thames.
A wrong un then - born the wrong side of the Thames.
I'm a Londoner, born in Whitechapel. A proper cockney.
ViolentPanda: I have explained to you how police violence was made to be more visible. Visibility engages with incentives and disincentives for police behaviour.
They respond like everyone else to incentives.
I mentioned the appearance of a more middle-class intake( I might also have added the intake of ethnic minorities - a decade after Macpherson - at 20% in the Met). It was acknowledged by a wide range of opinion for decades that this would be erosive of the 'canteen culture' that protected so much police brutality and racism.
he police which further limits an inclination to break the rules.
Add the recruitment of women. The canteen culture always opposed the recruitment of women. And for good reason, they might militate against it's male brutalist values.
You have offered no explanation to the decline deaths in custody and have just stooped to insults. Your program of self-improvement should include control of a bad case of knee-jerk.
But you might like to have an unwarranted "internal examination" recorded in case you wanted to make a complaint!The not in cells bit is because of the detainees. Would you want to use the toilet if there was a camera in there? I wouldn't.
I doubt it has changed. I will put down a question at the Police Consultative Group which Emet finds so pompous and boring.There weren't when I was a Lay Visitor. That's obviously changed
ViolentPanda: OK, so I can't provide any supporting evidence for my claims about this trend in deaths in police custody. My case is quite unproven. Please, tell me about these alternative explanations.
Just to say they had "full insurance" and plan to carry on.
Just one tiny aspect of reform. The police are drawn from different backgrounds, there is cctv everywhere - including police vehicles and stations, confessions were often forced, the police forged statements etc. The brutality of earlier decades was really something to behold. That has changed because it is so visible when it happens.
ViolentPanda: I have explained to you how police violence was made to be more visible. Visibility engages with incentives and disincentives for police behaviour. They respond like everyone else to incentives. I mentioned the appearance of a more middle-class intake( I might also have added the intake of ethnic minorities - a decade after Macpherson - at 20% in the Met). It was acknowledged by a wide range of opinion for decades that this would be erosive of the 'canteen culture' that protected so much police brutality and racism. I mentioned the pay and pensions of the police which further limits an inclination to break the rules. Add the recruitment of women. The canteen culture always opposed the recruitment of women. And for good reason, they might militate against it's male brutalist values..
I would simply say that there are a fair few community leaders who seem to love the sound of their own voices. A lot of time is wasted. I have only attended on four occasions and I didn't find the experience educational.
Early last Monday morning I saw maybe 200 people - most of them with looted property - march up Barnwell Road and into the council estate by Summerleyton Road. They looked and sounded joyful. Joy is an emotion, isn't it?
Gramsci said:Unfortunately that happens a lot around Brixton. Not just at CPCG.
I would say "less understandable in terms of general police violence" rather than "excuse". From what I know of what went on around here in the late 1970's the police are less brutal.From your argument with CH1 and Violent Panda I take it that you saying that police were brutal some time ago and they have now improved a lot. So, or am I making an assumption?, you think there is no excuse for rioting now but there was then. As there was no other way to object or change the way a community was policed. The same as some others - MP Chuka- say.
I cannot believe it. I'm at my Dad's and the council (he doesn't live in Lambeth) have put round a leaflet to households on his estate saying they'd help the police by 'generating convictions for any disorder that does occur by sharing CCTV and other intelligence...we will robustly pursue any council tenants who are proved guilty of being involved in criminal activity and will seek evictions where appropriate....this also includes the behaviour of anyone, including children, who currently live or stay with you in your home.'
Been robbing millions of people and work as a banker? Have another million. Throwing hundreds of thousands on the dole? Well done. Is there a kid in your house who's stolen a pair of trainers? Hand over your house.
Sippenhafttung (kin liability) as used towards the end of the Third Reich.There are already housing lawyers discussing thelegal issues around this. It is contestable.See here:
http://nearlylegal.co.uk/blog/2011/08/wandsworth-headed-for-the-naughty-step/
I dare say there is nothing about kin liability in their tenancy agreements either. This part of the new regime surely has to unravel.Not that Wandsworth are yet proposing executing entire families but the idea of 'kin liability' is something the Nazis used. It is definitely a form of collective punishment which is expressly forbidden in the UN charter of human rights.
It seems to me that Wandsworth (the Tory 'flagship' Borough) know that this will get kicked out of court and that it will be because of Human Rights legislation. When that happens just watch Cameron and the Daily Mail jump up and down shouting about how this legislation is ruining the country and means we are not safe on the streets etc etc. All grist to the mill . . .I dare say there is nothing about kin liability in their tenancy agreements either. This part of the new regime surely has to unravel.