Brixton violence and looting (7th Aug 2011)

[Gramsci]

I was sent this video of young man in South London telling Boris that cuts cause riots.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNeYnWL3D9A&feature=share

Two academics have done research showing a correlation between austerity measures and social unrest over last 100 years.

Its should be obvious. But in the law and order backlash at the moment this article is worth a look.I wonder if Clegg has seen it? Link in it to paper by academics:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/aug/16/austerity-programmes-cause-riots

 

[CH1]

Incident of disorder at the Beehive
Riot van turned up sat the Beehive at 10.45pm tonight. I was just passing through en route home from the Proms, but was impressed to have the digestion of my "guest ale" assisted by 8 uniformed officers, come to arrest a well established and somewhat obnoxious Beehive regular customer. The person apprehended, small very black and of London Jamaican extraction had apparently fallen out with a similarly small Eritrean being entertained by his solicitor (?!).

The situation was not helped by having a new obviously uncomfortable duty manager - white 35ish - large beer gut - looked as though he would have prefered a posting in Colchester. The only staff member having any empathy with the customers was young Kofi - but being black and of junior rank he was kept well out of the case.

When the plod had escorted the miscreant to the van for transit there was quite an exchange between the police and older Jamaican Beehive customers, who asserted the Eritrean was a "trouble maker". (Don't know what their guy was then - he has reduced wimin to tears on several occasions when I was around). The police wanted to take their names and adressed for further consultations - which they declined.

When the police had gone it all came out - this Eritrean had escorted an Indian battyman who lived 2 floors below one of the Jamaican senior citizens. He even carried the battyman's shopping for him!

Funny how disputes resolve into sexual politics where Jamaica is concerned!

 

[gabi]

my flat's cordoned off again. looks like from kfc on down brix rd to god knows where.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

this Eritrean had escorted an Indian battyman who lived 2 floors below one of the Jamaican senior citizens. He even carried the battyman's shopping for him!

Appreciate your posts but a word to the wise. The term battyman is pretty offensive and can get you into trouble round these parts.

 

[CH1]

Appreciate your posts but a word to the wise. The term battyman is pretty offensive and can get you into trouble round these parts.

Well I didn't use it - I was reporting it verbatim. As a gay man I find it as offensive as you do.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

Put quote marks in...didn't realise it was verbatim

 

[CH1]

Put quote marks in...didn't realise it was verbatim

With regard to Wetherspoons Pubs - they are hardly gay friendly, but there does seems to be a gay sub-culture at the Crown & Sceptre top of Brixton Hill. Unfortunately it's not at all "local" for me.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

With regard to Wetherspoons Pubs - they are hardly gay friendly, but there does seems to be a gay sub-culture at the Crown & Sceptre top of Brixton Hill. Unfortunately it's not at all "local" for me.

Awful pub. Absolutely stinking male bogs. Tiny ladies bogs. Crap food. Decent outside seating though if you don't mind all the traffic

 

[Gramsci]

Not that Wandsworth are yet proposing executing entire families but the idea of 'kin liability' is something the Nazis used. It is definitely a form of collective punishment which is expressly forbidden in the UN charter of human rights.

The Government is looking the widen the definition of locality to do this:

The Communities and Local Government department is already reviewing how to make it easier for councils and housing associations to evict tenants convicted of anti-social behaviour. The current definition requires the offence to have been committed within the locality or neighbourhood of the property.
"The government is looking to make changes because there's pressure for more action to be taken," said Marie Constantine, a solicitor with the law firm Judge and Priestley who has represented councils in possession hearings.
"Some councils may also take the view that because anti-social behaviour was committed within the borough, tenants should be evicted or at least sent a warning. The definition of 'locality' may be widened to include anywhere in the borough. Some courts take very different views."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/15/england-riots-poverty-evictions-benefits?INTCMP=SRCH

 

[CH1]

The Government is looking the widen the definition of locality to do this:

The Communities and Local Government department is already reviewing how to make it easier for councils and housing associations to evict tenants convicted of anti-social behaviour. The current definition requires the offence to have been committed within the locality or neighbourhood of the property.
"The government is looking to make changes because there's pressure for more action to be taken," said Marie Constantine, a solicitor with the law firm Judge and Priestley who has represented councils in possession hearings.
"Some councils may also take the view that because anti-social behaviour was committed within the borough, tenants should be evicted or at least sent a warning. The definition of 'locality' may be widened to include anywhere in the borough. Some courts take very different views."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/15/england-riots-poverty-evictions-benefits?INTCMP=SRCH

Sorry if you think it's a wind-up, but I can't resist.
All this legal activity reminds me of my O-level history and Judge Jeffries (the hanging Judge) who executed rebels supporting the Duke of Monmouth against King James II (1685). But what caps it all is that Judge Jeffries was ultimately arrested in the "Town of Ramsgate" pub in Wapping, now owned by Lord Matthew Oakshott (Lib Dem). Is this a strange case of "what goes around comes around"?

 

[Secateur]

Well I didn't use it - I was reporting it verbatim. As a gay man I find it as offensive as you do.

 

[gabi]

is CH1 for real? If so, new poster of the year... hands down. he makes the beehive sound like the bar in star wars.

 

[gaijingirl]

Yes... I have to say, I am very much enjoying reading CH1's posts.

 

[gabi]

Ugh actually... just had a thought about a long banned poster with a similar tenor from about 2005 who used to drink in there...

 

[Mairead]

is CH1 for real? If so, new poster of the year... hands down. he makes the beehive sound like the bar in star wars.

I've met CH1 irl and I guarantee he is definitely for real!

 

[Gramsci]

Sabcat have new T Shirts out:

http://sabcat.com/tshirts/tory-britain-its-a-riot-t-shirt/

http://sabcat.com/tshirts/get-angry-and-riot-t-shirt/

 

[magneze]

^ 4 years in jail

 

[quimcunx]

http://sabcat.com/tshirts/get-angry-and-riot-t-shirt/

Everyone in the country should buy and wear one of these. They can't jail us all.

 

[ShiftyBagLady]

Red's not my colour

 

[quimcunx]

ok, everyone on facebook should change their status to ''get angry and riot''. Or post that pic to their wall, or whatevs.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

ok, everyone on facebook should change their status to ''get angry and riot''. Or post that pic to their wall, or whatevs.

I wouldn't feel comfortable wearing it and bumping into someone who had been burnt out of their home or had a family member murdered.

Do think they're funny though

 

[Mrs Magpie]

I wouldn't feel comfortable wearing it and bumping into someone who had been burnt out of their home or had a family member murdered.

Well quite, passersby were being viciously beaten and robbed too, nowt to do with rioting, that.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

I remember Trevor Ellis when he was a boy. Because it's being investigated by Trident there's an assumption that he wasn't an 'innocent victim' but he was.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

Everyone in the country should buy and wear one of these. They can't jail us all.

It's about time students had something to replace those old che guevara shirts.

 

[Pickman's model]

It's about time students had something to replace those old che guevara shirts.

should have an upside down crown mind

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

I remember Trevor Ellis when he was a boy. Because it's being investigated by Trident there's an assumption that he wasn't an 'innocent victim' but he was.

Probably not so much that as people thinking if he lived in Brixton, why was he in Croydon, and just assuming he was up to no good

 

[Mrs Magpie]

Probably not so much that as people thinking if he lived in Brixton, why was he in Croydon, and just assuming he was up to no good

He was in Croydon much earlier, before there was trouble. There were loads of people in Croydon who didn't live there too for non-nefarious purposes. I hadn't seen him since he was a teenager but Pip was still in touch with him as he was an old schoolfriend.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

He was in Croydon much earlier, before there was trouble. There were loads of people in Croydon who didn't live there too for non-nefarious purposes. I hadn't seen him since he was a teenager but Pip was still in touch with him as he was an old schoolfriend.

I'm not wondering why he was there. It's as normal for South Londoners to go to Croydon as it is for them to go to the West End. I'm saying that's what other people might be thinking (judging by comments I've seen on websites), and I doubt it helps that the papers probably haven't stated he was there before it all kicked off. Maybe they have, but I've not read any papers for a while, just bits and pieces online

 

[Mrs Magpie]

I realised you weren't having a pop Minnie, it's just been a bit of a preoccupation since Pip heard just after it happened.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

I realised you weren't having a pop Minnie, it's just been a bit of a preoccupation since Pip heard just after it happened.

Very sad. Local lad as well and with a few (or did I read 4) kids?