Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
Up and now like a yoyo at the moment
Brixton violence and looting (7th Aug 2011)
- Thread starter dozi
- Start date
Up and now like a yoyo at the moment
gaijingirl
Well-Known Member
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
I'm definitely going deaf
via-strass
New Member
Yes, my guess is there will be police snatch squads roaming around every sink estate in South London checking faces against several thousand grainy images of young black men taken at night with their faces partially covered. Can't see how that would fail as a detection strategy. Presumably every single identification will stand up in court as well.
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
Another 3 up the Hill
Crispy
The following psytrance is baṉned: All
Fine. Criminal justice has to be served.
But what we're seeing is a symptom of the problems that shippy outlined. middle-class kids from the home counties, with job prospects and a secure family, haven't been spontaneously rioting. It is gross inequality, poverty and the breakdown of community and family that are the fertile soil for this sort of behaviour.
quimcunx
imprimeo, lamino, distribuo
7 up the hill in last couple of mins.
Fuck the context! Nothing that the authorities have done justifies this criminality.
where to put them though? there are only so many cells - and prisons are full as it is!?
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
4 just up and 1 just down
quimcunx
imprimeo, lamino, distribuo
ShiftyBagLady
Thinks she is a flower to be looked at
Lambeth are bringing in a requirement for tenants to have their photographs stored on a database. That would be a very useful database to have access to in such investigations.
TruXta
tired
Yet another abject failure to grasp the distinction between reasons, contextual or not, and justifications.
I am not responsible for a looter/mugger etc. I would imagine most of the 'yoot' that perpetrate wanton violence are actually close to adulthood and thus should know the difference between what is right and what is wrong.
For sure I am for investing time and energy into helping children.... but these fuckers that attack random strangers and burn down houses and know that they are clearly doing something wrong, they should actually be taking responsibility for their own fucking actions..
What are you banging on about?
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
They were all vans going up and a car going down.
Someone's on Twitter's saying their street in Streatham is full of smoke
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
Setting fire to buildings where people have homes, endangering lives is fucking stupid, at best.
But.
This country has been raped by the current ruling cabal. The young w/c have no future. No EMA funding to get the poor through 6th form college and uni is now an unrealistic possibility for most. There's also fuck all jobs. There's nothing.
The overwhelming corruption and backhand deals between the media, politicians and police are out for all to see. The cards are fixed and most people know there's no hope.
This is a reaction. They have little to lose.
Shippou-Sensei
4:1:2.5
yes they should. but this is a two way thing.
i'm not saying rioters should be absolved of their sins i saying socity should sit up and ask why and try to adress these problems before they arise
is it better to just condem people who have acted wrongly or to try to create a world where these things don't happen?
Crispy
The following psytrance is baṉned: All
the lack of which during this entire generation is resposible for
when everyone else in society says "fuck you", pride and responsibility for your actions becomes a bit of a joke. No excuse for this behaviour, but it doesn't spring unformed. There are reasons why it is these people in these places and those reasons are deep and old.
I am not denying this.. in fact I agree with you. But at some point, these kids have to take responsibility of their own actions. Sure the government need to invest more in under-funded areas in the long term, but in the interim, we can't just have the yoot run riot and pass comment that this is just a symptom that we should expect.
Crispy
The following psytrance is baṉned: All
both
Shippou-Sensei
4:1:2.5
it's an OR not XOR
Life is not based on boolean logic.
TruXta
tired
This, which you posted earlier.
Implying that if they knew their history they wouldn't act as they do. Meaning ignorance would be a/the reason.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
For some reason I got this email from the Fernadale ward Cllrs. Im not in that ward.
Brixton is a strong and united community that utterly condemns the scenes we saw last night. People were shocked and appalled by the vandalism and hooliganism we witnessed and this kind of criminal behaviour has absolutely no place in our community.
Let’s be very clear that this is simply opportunistic criminal activity that has no justification whatsoever - it’s criminal disorder not riots. Relations between the community and police today are strong, and this incident will not undermine the huge progress made over the past decades.
We are now determined that the borough gets back to normal as quickly as possible and will be offering all the support we can to the police and reassurance to local people and businesses.
Please also see a message from the Leader of the Council, Cllr Steve Reed.
http://www.lambeth.gov.uk/News/2011/080811AMessageFromCouncillorSteveReed.htm
Please feel free to contact any of us if you have any concerns or questions.
Regards,
Councillors Paul McGlone, Sally Prentice and Neil Sabharwal
Ferndale ward
Also this is by Cllr Steve Reed the leader of Lambeth Council:
http://www.lambeth.gov.uk/News/2011/080811AMessageFromCouncillorSteveReed.htm
After the scenes we saw here in Lambeth last night, I want to make it clear that Brixton is a strong and united community. Over recent years we have benefited from strong community relations and sensitive policing.
I've spoken to many people from all sections of the community over the past few hours, and they have all said the same thing - that there is absolutely no justification for the kind of vandalism and looting seen on the High Street yesterday. They are shocked and appalled by what they have seen and are united in condemnation of this type of behaviour, which has no place in our community.
Let's be clear - this was opportunistic criminal behaviour by a tiny minority intent on causing disruption and stealing from businesses. This will not undermine the huge progress made over the past decade to build trust and respect. This is no return to 1981.
Our job now is to get Brixton back to normal as quickly as possible so people can get on with their lives. We will offer all the support we can to the police with their investigations, and to local residents and businesses that have been affected to get them back on their feet.
The community in Brixton is strong and resilient. Last night's incidents will not damage that.
Read about my walkabout around Brixton this morning.
So the Labour party line is that this was not a riot. That it was purely criminal behaviour. Problem here is that if this was the case for last Sunday night then it should be the case for all previous "riots" including 81. Now termed an "Uprising". Be interesting if Reed says this is so
Ive been present in Brixton for all the riots. In Riots destruction of property and looting is what happens. Also the kind of violence that other posters have said happened around the Barrier Block.
Ive been reading some of the Guardian today and the same arguments are being used that were used in the aftermath of the 81 riot. ( now seen as an Uprising). Its either pure criminality or there are underlying reasons- like structural inequality.
Also what is the trust with the Police that Reed goes on about ? What happened at Stockwell when that Brazilian got shot? What about the Evening Standard seller who died? The Police shoot people and u never get to the bottom of it. People die in Police custody and u never get to the bottom of it. Like that guy whose friends and family light candles outside Brixton Police station.
Who are all these people Reed and other Cllrs have talked to that all say this was pure criminality? Like Shippou posts u have to look at the underlying reasons behind this.
In the 80s Scarman did. And I can tell u that the events of last Sunday night werent that different , except in scale, to what happened in 81. There are not good and bad riots. I dont see the two pieces above as any help at all.
And I dont need , as a member of the community, to be told that the community is strong and resilient.
Brixton is a strong and united community that utterly condemns the scenes we saw last night. People were shocked and appalled by the vandalism and hooliganism we witnessed and this kind of criminal behaviour has absolutely no place in our community.
Let’s be very clear that this is simply opportunistic criminal activity that has no justification whatsoever - it’s criminal disorder not riots. Relations between the community and police today are strong, and this incident will not undermine the huge progress made over the past decades.
We are now determined that the borough gets back to normal as quickly as possible and will be offering all the support we can to the police and reassurance to local people and businesses.
Please also see a message from the Leader of the Council, Cllr Steve Reed.
http://www.lambeth.gov.uk/News/2011/080811AMessageFromCouncillorSteveReed.htm
Please feel free to contact any of us if you have any concerns or questions.
Regards,
Councillors Paul McGlone, Sally Prentice and Neil Sabharwal
Ferndale ward
Also this is by Cllr Steve Reed the leader of Lambeth Council:
http://www.lambeth.gov.uk/News/2011/080811AMessageFromCouncillorSteveReed.htm
After the scenes we saw here in Lambeth last night, I want to make it clear that Brixton is a strong and united community. Over recent years we have benefited from strong community relations and sensitive policing.
I've spoken to many people from all sections of the community over the past few hours, and they have all said the same thing - that there is absolutely no justification for the kind of vandalism and looting seen on the High Street yesterday. They are shocked and appalled by what they have seen and are united in condemnation of this type of behaviour, which has no place in our community.
Let's be clear - this was opportunistic criminal behaviour by a tiny minority intent on causing disruption and stealing from businesses. This will not undermine the huge progress made over the past decade to build trust and respect. This is no return to 1981.
Our job now is to get Brixton back to normal as quickly as possible so people can get on with their lives. We will offer all the support we can to the police with their investigations, and to local residents and businesses that have been affected to get them back on their feet.
The community in Brixton is strong and resilient. Last night's incidents will not damage that.
Read about my walkabout around Brixton this morning.
So the Labour party line is that this was not a riot. That it was purely criminal behaviour. Problem here is that if this was the case for last Sunday night then it should be the case for all previous "riots" including 81. Now termed an "Uprising". Be interesting if Reed says this is so
Ive been present in Brixton for all the riots. In Riots destruction of property and looting is what happens. Also the kind of violence that other posters have said happened around the Barrier Block.
Ive been reading some of the Guardian today and the same arguments are being used that were used in the aftermath of the 81 riot. ( now seen as an Uprising). Its either pure criminality or there are underlying reasons- like structural inequality.
Also what is the trust with the Police that Reed goes on about ? What happened at Stockwell when that Brazilian got shot? What about the Evening Standard seller who died? The Police shoot people and u never get to the bottom of it. People die in Police custody and u never get to the bottom of it. Like that guy whose friends and family light candles outside Brixton Police station.
Who are all these people Reed and other Cllrs have talked to that all say this was pure criminality? Like Shippou posts u have to look at the underlying reasons behind this.
In the 80s Scarman did. And I can tell u that the events of last Sunday night werent that different , except in scale, to what happened in 81. There are not good and bad riots. I dont see the two pieces above as any help at all.
And I dont need , as a member of the community, to be told that the community is strong and resilient.
Let the moronic fuckwits contemplate the reasons for their own behaviour from behind prison bars and for a very long time.
