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Brixton violence and looting (7th Aug 2011)

innit said:
Shit, really? That's out of order - esp as it's 24 hrs so would have been robbery of the guys who were working, not just looting.
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Pretty sure it was him. Youngish guy (almost bald/short cropped hair) they were talking to and they showed the shop, then cut to those girls turning the corner at Carpet Right/Carpet Land/New Sainsbury's with their goodies, although not sure if the girls were the ones that robbed him, and I assume it was him and his shop as I missed the start of the clip
 
From the Guardian blog...

"10.16pm: Brixton: Sam Francis is in Loughborough Junction Brixton, where he witnessed 30 youths, faces covered, being chased into the station by two police officers. Police vans and cars were also in pursuit, and blocked the youths inside the station. More as we get it."
 
Shippou-Sensei said:
is looting a regular occurance? does in happen all the time?

or perhaps does in happen in times of unrest? are people reacting to a situation?

yes people are doing wrongful thing but there are reasons behind this.

we need to treat the illness not the symptoms
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What are their reasons for rampaging and looting? What are their reasons for their random acts of violence that almost killed an innocent man by stabbing him in the eye? I'm interested to know? Is it out of respect to the man that got shot in Hackney?
 
quimcunx said:
If this was all about greed, trainers and opportunism, they would find an opportunity a lot more often.
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I'm speculating that a small part of the problem is the school holidays, and the opportunities for usually-occupied youths to talk each other up into a state of "let's go fuck some shit up!" When you're a teen and you get in a bragging competition with your mates, shit can happen.
 
London_Calling said:
Certainly within the 14 years of New Labour.

Can't possibly be to do with almost a million youth unemployed, Council youth budgets reduced by 75% - I know it can't because a lot of middle aged politicians on the tv keep telling me, time and time again.
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Labour weren't stupid enough to strip-mine local services and give people the finger, the ConDems have been that stupid, and now they're reaping some of what they've sown.
 
ViolentPanda said:
I'm speculating that a small part of the problem is the school holidays, and the opportunities for usually-occupied youths to talk each other up into a state of "let's go fuck some shit up!" When you're a teen and you get in a bragging competition with your mates, shit can happen.
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I guess there are a lot of parts to this problem. But all we're getting now is 'pure criminality'.
 
uk benzo said:
What are their reasons for rampaging and looting? What are their reasons for their random acts of violence that almost killed an innocent man by stabbing him in the eye? I'm interested to know? Is it out of respect to the man that got shot in Hackney?
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reason isn't the same as justification you know
 
quimcunx said:
I guess there are a lot of parts to this problem. But all we're getting now is 'pure criminality'.
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"Pure criminality" is an easy call to make at a remove though, isn't it? Cunts like Theresa May giving it the bigg'un about "pure criminality" and how people who're involved will be "dealt with", and not a whisper about how her government's policies have contributed.

I hope that these riots provoke another public enquiry, and I hope for someone like Scarman, who wasn't quite as craven as many of his colleagues would have been.
 
Shippou-Sensei said:
reason isn't the same as justification you know
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So give me some reasons why the yoot have decided to loot and pillage? What kind of anger must one have to loot an independent convenience store? It's senseless violence. In this instance, I really don't think one can attempt to explain away the actual actions of the yoot. Sure government cuts to public services etc have made things more tense over holidays, but common sense should prevail. FFS, I'm originally from a country where police brutality and poverty are the norm, but we never vented by burning down our neighbours' houses/shops and stealing.
 
ViolentPanda said:
"Pure criminality" is an easy call to make at a remove though, isn't it? Cunts like Theresa May giving it the bigg'un about "pure criminality" and how people who're involved will be "dealt with", and not a whisper about how her government's policies have contributed.

I hope that these riots provoke another public enquiry, and I hope for someone like Scarman, who wasn't quite as craven as many of his colleagues would have been.
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Sorry, I meant all we're getting now [in the media from the talking heads as a reason] is 'pure criminality'.
 
quimcunx said:
Sorry, I meant all we're getting now [in the media from the talking heads as a reason] is 'pure criminality'.
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Yeah, I know, I wasn't saying you were guilty of it!

It's not just the media, though, it's the line the pols have taken too. Divorcing what's happening from any sort of context.
 
there must be a reason.

these things don't just happen.

i would say it probably a loss of a feeling of agency. the loss of a feeling like you have real control in your life combined with an indifferent community. why are these yooth out on the street? why arn't they with their parents why arn't they with their friends doing normal non rioting yooth things?

i'm not trying to justify these actions as the actions are fucked up but if people refuse to try and look into the reasons why these things are happening these things are going to happen again

the people rioting arn't animals they are human beings they have in themselves the ability to be good people and it is us as a society who have let them fall so low as to act like animals

ok i'm not dismissing personal culpability but when it's a whole section of the community who are participating in the crime this rises above a purely personal issue
 
ViolentPanda said:
Yeah, I know, I wasn't saying you were guilty of it!

It's not just the media, though, it's the line the pols have taken too. Divorcing what's happening from any sort of context.
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That's all right then. I don't have to cut you. And yes, that. A good tweet quoted here by OU earlier along the lines of ''it's possible to think something is wrong and be able to see the wider context at the same time''
 
malice said:
yes, suddenly a lot more - not sure where exactly, maybe acre lane? Heading over to clapham junction maybe
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Blue lights all over St Matthews Road just now. Police car broke down outside my place. I asked them where it was kicking off and they said "everywhere - stay inside".
 
An hour ago there were a few going up B hill. In the last few minutes several going down B hill.

I
 
malice said:
yes, suddenly a lot more - not sure where exactly, maybe acre lane? Heading over to clapham junction maybe
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I just heard loads too... I was on the side of our house facing towards Tulse Hill, so assumed it was over that way.
 
I imagine there's going to be a ton of arrests in the upcoming weeks when things have calmed down and the CCTV footage is studied.
 
Shippou-Sensei said:
there must be a reason.

these things don't just happen.

i would say it probably a loss of a feeling of agency. the loss of a feeling like you have real control in your life combined with an indifferent community. why are these yooth out on the street? why arn't they with their parents why arn't they with their friends doing normal non rioting yooth things?

i'm not trying to justify these actions as the actions ar efucked up but if you refuse to try and look into the reasons why these things are happening your just contributing to the problem
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I am not going to mollycoddle someone who has just voluntarily smashed up someone's home and stolen their belongings because they feel that they've got nothing better to do. They dishonour the achievements gained by those who really struggled in the face of institutional racism. They piss all over the sacrifices made by those who truly suffered at the hands of the police. These kids need to be taught about the history of struggle and what others had to endure for them to be able to go about freely smashing shit up randomly.
 
The helicopter seems to be over at Clapham, maybe. I can hear it at the back of the flat not the front.
 
uk benzo said:
I am not going to mollycoddle someone who has just voluntarily smashed up someone's home and stolen their belongings because they feel that they've got nothing better to do. They dishonour the achievements gained by those who really struggled in the face of institutional racism. They piss all over the sacrifices made by those who truly suffered at the hands of the police. These kids need to be taught about the history of struggle and what others had to endure for them to be able to go about freely smashing shit up randomly.
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So ignorance is the reason?
 
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