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Brixton violence and looting (7th Aug 2011)

Well, I'm off to the centre of Brixton to do some shopping. I hope the Market is unaffected because I need to get some fruit. To be honest I'm a bit pissed off that Tescos isn't smouldering ruins. If there is one thing that's wrecking my community right now it's sodding Tescos (well, and Lambeth Council but wrecking Brixton seems to have been their default position for decades).
 
There was police tape across the pavement outside KFC this morning so it is possible the market won't be allowed to open today. Buses aren't stopping along that stretch and the tube station is closed.
 
What is the problem with pointing out that Brixton would be a very much less crime-ridden place if it was populated by people less given to committing crime.

I was in a convenience store on Railton Road last week. I witnessed a bunch of teenagers stealing alcoholic drink from the store. I would have liked to have told the proprietor but I had to think about whether I wanted a knife in my gut.
I was in the Beehive last week when an anemic shifty looking individual came right in my face saying "Guvnor you look like someone who wants a nice bit of fish"- thrusting a freshly shop-lifted bit of Salmon from Sainsburys right under my nose.
"Not if it's stolen" quoth I
"Well get you - fuck off then - this is BRIXTON not Chelsea" says he. "Why don'tcha just fuck off up the West End?"
First time I've been balled out of a pub for being too posh and honest - at least since I was a student in Manchester in the 70s.
 
There was police tape across the pavement outside KFC this morning so it is possible the market won't be allowed to open today. Buses aren't stopping along that stretch and the tube station is closed.
How does one get to Sloane Square for the Monday midday Prom then? Walk to Bedord Road and catch a 137 I suppose.
 
Acquisitional capitalist society,TV blaring buy,buy,buy 24hours a day for you to be a real human being no 60" flat screen means your a failure.Perfectly logical to take one from Currys et al. I do have a problem with small business's being targeted although keep in mind some of those are thieving bastards as well.(I'm actually only posting to see if I've become a newbie )
 
Well, I'm off to the centre of Brixton to do some shopping. I hope the Market is unaffected because I need to get some fruit. To be honest I'm a bit pissed off that Tescos isn't smouldering ruins. If there is one thing that's wrecking my community right now it's sodding Tescos (well, and Lambeth Council but wrecking Brixton seems to have been their default position for decades).
Lambeth Council demolished the oldest house in Acre Lane (1803) so Tescos could build it's vile retail shed and car-park in 1985. In the name of "regenerating" Brixton they managed to kill off Brixton market at a stroke. Tescos put a restrictive covenant on their old premises in Brixton Martet so it couldn't be used for food retail for 7 years. Old history I know, but just like the riots, the effects can be permanent.

Personally I'm quite pleased if Footlocker has been destroyed. I remember an article in the Daily Mail (!?!) back in 1988 when they were praising the efforts of the manager of Burtons (men's clothier) on that Footlocker site. That was before Lambeth Regeneration got hold of it and turned it into an airport shopping mall shop. The Burtons manager was seen as an aspiring black role model - at least by the Daily Mail (he shared my surname, Warner, which is why I remember it).
 
Right, last night there were reports of rioting at the front of Southwyck House (which I went out and checked last night and heard nothing). All the shops there are fine. I saw one burnt bin bag, a few broken bottles (that's nothing new) and a pizza delivery bag on the wall along with a soggy uneaten pizza. Twitterers may call that a riot, because I don't so reports of me being silly give me the last laugh. The market and the vast majority of small independent shops are open. Greggs is shut as is Iceland. I could see broken but semi intact windows on KFC, Morleys etc. Tube closed, buses going up and Brixton Road. The main difficulty for me was accessing a cash point. i went to Lloyds on Acre lane, bit of a queue, but that was the extent of my inconvenience.
 
As minnie the minx says that is a joke isnt it?

As for riots- they all had looting. Including the 81 riot that now is called an "Uprising" and is now seen as largely excusable( i prefer the term riot).

Riots always have been contradictory things. Some want to fight the police for a specific reason ( the shooting in Tottenham), some want to loot and some want to do both. It also includes setting fire to things as well. Someone said to me they could see why someone might loot a shop but why set it alight?

Its history that changes the perception of a riot.
This is a very good point, I'm just working my way through this thread now. At the risk of sounding like some bloody hack I think that Lenin said every uprising would have people with mixed motivations involved (no not the one with McCartney the other one). There was a lot of concern about that shooting which was not addressed, plus a history of disinformation from the police. I did see in early evening one cop give a youth a mighty wallop with his truncheon but did not catch what had gone on before or after, and the policeman just moved on. I spoke to two police when I was trying to get home in the early hours who were professional and as helpful as they could be in the circumstances on the seal-off-the-road thing (still didn't let me through because they said if anything happened to me they'd get in trouble. OK fair enough.) I cut through a wee alley and there were blazing vehicles and a few folk milling but not much else at that time. Taking the day off :)
 
A woman on the estate saw me coming back with shopping. She had her grandson staying with her from Ireland and his frantic Mum had seen stuff on Sky news in Ireland that made her fear for his safety. :mad: It's that kind of thing that doesn't help anyone. All it does is create an atmosphere of fear.
 
It pisses me off that these opportunist little twats (although a minority) piss all over the efforts made by their predecessors who literally fought against institutionalised racism. These opportunist shits have no idea! Their predecessors fought for their rights and these kids are fighting for flat screen TVs and trainers!!!
 
It pisses me off that these opportunist little twats (although a minority) piss all over the efforts made by their predecessors who literally fought against institutionalised racism. These opportunist shits have no idea! Their predecessors fought for their rights and these kids are fighting for flat screen TVs and trainers!!!

... which they probably already have perfectly good ones of anyway.
 
Thanks L_C, yeah, I heard that on 5Live (iirc) last. I rang my son and lodger at 3:30 to say I thought it unlikely that the police would let them leave and go the few hundred yards from work to home, so they'd best get some sleep there if they could. When I woke up at 7:30 this morning to take the dog out there was someone asleep on the sofa downstairs. I'm about to go to the corner shop (hopefully still intact) in the hope that there are cigarettes on the premises.

Are the electrical goods that the cat brought in last night in good working order?
 
Especially given Splash went relatively smoothly by all accounts.

I didn't go to Splash but I hope that people don't try and blame last night's problems on the Splash event as it does seem a well enjoyed event by the majority of people.

I wouldn't be entirely surprised if it turned out that the majority of the troublemakers aren't even Brixton residents.
 
Well William Hills HAS been trashed. Police tapes prevent anyone going onto Brixton Road. Fortunately Brixton Southern Region station is open normally, so that solves the transport problem. I passed a very shocked looking motorist whose car had been smashed up outside "The Viaduct" (the posh people's Barrier Block). I normally hate cars - but I felt sorry for someone coming accross his property totally destroyed.
 
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