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Nanker Phelge said:
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teuchter said:
Why is it, whenever dangerous driving is mentioned, people are compelled to start talking about cyclist or pedestrian behaviour?

When we talk about, say, knife crime, no-one pops up saying "well yes, it's bad but let's not pick on people running around with knives when there's also people carrying umbrellas which they might hit someone with, and in the end it's just about people not being dicks, whatever they've got in their hand".
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worst analogy ever?
 
T & P said:
Sorry, not sure if I've read your last two sentences right. Are you actually suggesting that car drivers are not ordinary decent people?
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Your post 218 appears to imply that government isn't dealing with drunkenness. In recent years "anti social" behaviour legislation has led to people being banned from areas for drunkenness.

You didn't appear to know about this.

My point is that how anti social behaviour is dealt with , what constitutes it and to what level state agencies police it are political decisions.

Police don't do much to enforce 20mph limit , I've been told , because they are concerned about alienating "ordinary decent people".

When it comes to enforcing the law, or making new categories like ASB, to deal with for example street drinkers / beggars these groups get the full force of the law. That is a political choice.

The "law" isn't a fixed thing.

Take drink driving. When I was younger I regularly heard people boasting of how they could drink and drive. Now its socially unacceptable.

I have heard drivers boast about how they have broken speed cameras. That is considered still to be standing up to the Man.

My friend, who has started to drive more now to visit her elderly mum says breaking speed limits on regular roads and motorways is normal.
 
teuchter said:
Why is it, whenever dangerous driving is mentioned, people are compelled to start talking about cyclist or pedestrian behaviour?

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Its standard. Boris cycle lanes have led to increase in resentment against cyclists.

I was helping a van driver today. Nice bloke but he spent whole journey complaining about changes in roads in West end.

Both Westminster and Camden are bringing in road calming measures. Making no entry on some side roads, widening pavements. Making traffic stick to main roads.

This is increasing journey times for traffic. The 20mph limit is one factor in changing roads from being dominated by traffic to putting cyclists and pedestrians first.

It is resented big time.
 
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Gramsci said:
Its standard. Boris cycle lanes have led to increase in resentment against cyclists.

I was helping a van driver today. Nice bloke but he spent whole journey complaining about changes in roads in West end.

Both Westminster and Camden are bringing in road calming measures. Making no entry on some roads, widening pavements. Making traffic stick to main roads.

This is increasing journey times for traffic. The 20mph limit is one factor in changing roads from being dominated by traffic to putting cyclists and pedestrians first.

It is resented big time.
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A lot of van drivers are paid per drop so they might well suffer
 
cuppa tee said:
A lot of van drivers are paid per drop so they might well suffer
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I know. And have previously posted up about that. In a country with a largely unregulated workforce, where neo liberail capitalism encourages as a socially good thing individualism moves to change transport use arent going to work without the hard policing that Teuchter has advocated.

Considering things like pollution, climate change ( seeing that now) state action cracking down on individuals might be one scenerio in changing transport use. Whilst leaving Capital intact. The Chinese model. Increasing authoritarian state.

The social and political culture of this society isn't imo conducive to changing how transport operates.
 
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In photos: Brixton jam session at Wicked Wednesday, 414 Club, 25th July 2018
 
CH1 said:
I can remember people raising the issue of cycling on pavements 25 years ago at the Police Consultative Group only to be ruled out of order because it is not genuinely antisocial behaviour.

I must say I've never been knocked down by a cyclist on the pavement but I've had a few close shaves - especially when they come up behind you and you are expected to have 110% hearing apparently as a pedestrian on the pavement.
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A couple of weeks ago one of the crack dealer pimps rode past me at speed on the pavement on Brixton Hill at 6.30am and tried to push me over, scared the fuck out of me.

Of course there are fuckwit drivers, but I see a lot of really dangerous/aggressive cycling in Brixton and think cyclists should be equally punished when they break the law.
 
shakespearegirl said:
A couple of weeks ago one of the crack dealer pimps rode past me at speed on the pavement on Brixton Hill at 6.30am and tried to push me over, scared the fuck out of me.

Of course there are fuckwit drivers, but I see a lot of really dangerous/aggressive cycling in Brixton and think cyclists should be equally punished when they break the law.
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There's plenty of total bellends cycling fast on the pavements around Brixton and some can be really aggressive about their 'right' to do so. The twats.
 
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shakespearegirl said:
A couple of weeks ago one of the crack dealer pimps rode past me at speed on the pavement on Brixton Hill at 6.30am and tried to push me over, scared the fuck out of me.

Of course there are fuckwit drivers, but I see a lot of really dangerous/aggressive cycling in Brixton and think cyclists should be equally punished when they break the law.
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This is problem with how cyclists get vilified.

You are eliding crack dealer/ pimps with cyclists.

Yet drivers are just "fuckwits".
 
Gramsci said:
This is problem with how cyclists get vilified.

You are eliding crack dealer/ pimps with cyclists.

Yet drivers are just "fuckwits".
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It's simple really, road for cars, bike lane for bikes pavement for pedistrians. But if no one enforces any of it it's a free for all.

Massive cyclist myself and every driver should be thankful for ever person on a bike. We are one less car in your way.
 
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northeast said:
It's simple really, road for cars, bike lane for bikes pavement for pedistrians. But if no one enforces any of it it's a free for all.

Massive cyclist myself and every driver should be thankful for ever person on a bike. We are one less car in your way.
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Its not how car drivers see it. As I explained in my post.

In central London , thanks to Boris cycle lanes, the its "simple really" works in my experience.

Drivers resent it. It does increase journey times in central London. This isn't a win win situation.

In central London pedestrians and cyclists are prioritised. Take the City. Bank is now buses and cyclists only daytime. Made massive difference to quality of life for pedestrians and cyclists.

I've also noticed that pedestrians and cyclists get on better once cars are excluded. Both pedestrians and cyclists can get around together with out cars much more easily. Its more relaxed atmosphere.

The conclusion I draw is the sooner society moves away from transport being dominated by individual car ownership the better.
 
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I've also noticed that pedestrians and cyclists get on better once cars are excluded. Both pedestrians and cyclists can get around together with out cars much more easily. Its more relaxed atmosphere.
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Yup. Cyclists shouldn't be on pavements. But largely they are there because they don't want to have to fight with cars on the roadway.
 
shakespearegirl said:
What bullshit. I was giving an example of an incident that happened to me.
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That's it. On the other hand people watching cyclists as per for example Miss Marple on Talking Pictures TV would think of them as sweet little old ladies with sit-up-and-beg bikes with baskets at the front.

I am intrigued by the macho bike culture in Brixton where you see young guys chucking their bikes down across shop doorways and disappearing to get something - jerk chicken/packet of crisps whatever.

Obviously Miss Marple would lock her bike to a lamp standard or something but these guys seem to almost dare people into touching/interfering with their property which is left totally unprotected.

Presumably if you moved one of these bikes out the way so you can get in the shop it is the equivalent of Clint Eastwood striking a march on the hunchback's shoulder in "For a Few Dollars More"?
 
Yesterday was in my car driving home along one of those roads with a clearly marked blue cycle lane and a big silver 4x4 car in front of me just drove in it for ages, until they turned left at their convenience. the cyclists behind had nowhere to go. Such blatant shameless arseholery I find it hard to get my head around. More cameras seems like the most obvious solution.
 
I think a public campaign to shame unnecessary car journeys is needed - in the same way they have tackled mobile phone use and smoking with children in the car. By far the biggest polluters and causes of congestion are the school-run / three mile commute brigade. Just look at the difference in road use during school holidays. It was a breeze getting through Brixton this morning.
 
And it's stopped again!

Here at the Oval, anyway. The cricket fans in the queue over the road have put their brollies away again.
 
I looked out the back window of our office in Dalston and it was pissing rain, out the front door bright sunshine! 5 mins later it had totally stopped, is that it?
 
shakespearegirl said:
What bullshit. I was giving an example of an incident that happened to me.
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I'm not questioning the incident. Im questioning the context in which its being used.

Here is what you said.


A couple of weeks ago one of the crack dealer pimps rode past me at speed on the pavement on Brixton Hill at 6.30am and tried to push me over, scared the fuck out of me.

Of course there are fuckwit drivers, but I see a lot of really dangerous/aggressive cycling in Brixton and think cyclists should be equally punished when they break the law.
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Ive high lighted the relevant passages.

This reads to me putting drug dealing pimps in with inconsiderate cyclists breaking rules of the road.

Drug dealing pimps are already committing serious criminal offences. So should already be arrested for those. I would have thought exploiting women for financial gain is more serious than aggressive cyclist.
 
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