Brixton news, rumours and general chat - March 2017

[editor]

Getting a bit sick of pointing out hypocrisy here, but doesn't urban75 run nights at the Albert? And the Dogstar. But supports the strike at the Ritzy

Yet here you are posting on a free site that is run by someone who puts on free nights at the Albert. Such hypocrisy!

Naturally, you only shop and use services and products where everyone is paid the Living Wage, yes?

Wait - you don't? OMG! Yet more hypocrisy!




PS I've personally raised hundreds of pounds for the striking Ritzy workers. How about you?

 

[brixtonblade]

I recently instigated working for a Greene King pub (outside of Brixton) to earn some extra cash, i was invited for a trial shift where i worked for 3 hours, taking multiple hundreds of pounds in transactions, and not told until afterwards this would be an unpaid shift.

I was then instructed to go on an unpaid all day training session in Kensington in my own time and expense, plus another 3 hours online training before i would be able to finally start earning some (meagre) money behind the fucking bar. I declined their offer of employment. I should have robbed the tills at my 'trial shift' and left it at that!

That's incredible. Should not be legal

 

[Reiabuzz]

Yet here you are posting on a free site that is run by someone who puts on free nights at the Albert. Such hypocrisy!

Naturally, you only shop and use services and products where everyone is paid the Living Wage, yes?

Wait - you don't? OMG! Yet more hypocrisy!




PS I've personally raised hundreds of pounds for the striking Ritzy workers. How about you?

Of course I don't. That's simply not possible unfortunately. It is possible however to not run club nights at venues that don't the pay the living wage. The irony of the Ritzy workers having their post protest pissups at a venue like the Albert, which in all likelihood doesn't stump up 9.75 an hour, is hopefully not lost on you?

 

[editor]

Of course I don't. That's simply not possible unfortunately. It is possible however to not run club nights at venues that don't the pay the living wage. The irony of the Ritzy workers having their post protest pissups at a venue like the Albert, which in all likelihood doesn't stump up 9.75 an hour, is hopefully not lost on you?

So it's OK for you to use services, goods, pubs and restaurants that are employing people on piss poor wages, but you feel free to criticise the Ritzy workers - who are enduring personal hardship to win the living wage - over their choice of boozer?
And you're calling me a 'hypocrite' despite the fact that I've raised a fair wad of money for the Ritzy workers campaign, while you appear to have done absolutely fuck all. Apart from criticise, of course.

What was that about hypocrisy again?

 

[madolesance]

So it's OK for you to use services, goods, pubs and restaurants that are employing people on piss poor wages, but you feel free to criticise the Ritzy workers - who are enduring personal hardship to win the living wage - over their choice of boozer?
And you're calling me a 'hypocrite' despite the fact that I've raised a fair wad of money for the Ritzy workers campaign, while you appear to have done absolutely fuck all. Apart from criticise, of course.

What was that about hypocrisy again?

How much do DJ's get paid in £££'s/ beer for putting on a 'free' night in the Albert/ Dog Star? Bet it's more than the staff get per hour.

 

[editor]

How much do DJ's get paid in £££'s/ beer for putting on a 'free' night in the Albert/ Dog Star? Bet it's more than the staff get per hour.

You probably bet right, but seeing as they're entirely different jobs with different skills and responsibilities, I'm not sure what the point is.

 

[Reiabuzz]

So it's OK for you to use services, goods, pubs and restaurants that are employing people on piss poor wages, but you feel free to criticise the Ritzy workers - who are enduring personal hardship to win the living wage - over their choice of boozer?
And you're calling me a 'hypocrite' despite the fact that I've raised a fair wad of money for the Ritzy workers campaign, while you appear to have done absolutely fuck all. Apart from criticise, of course.

What was that about hypocrisy again?

When did I criticise the Ritzy workers? If you read my post I said it's quite right for them to strike. I was simply pointing out the irony of you hosting their post strike party at a venue owned by a large brewery which doesn't pay london living wage either.

The Albert staff should strike imo, and as a high profile local of theirs perhaps you should be encouraging them to do so rather than raking in the quid for the brewery with your (excellent btw) nights.

Can you see there might be a small sniff of hypocrisy there?

 

[CH1]

I recently instigated working for a Greene King pub (outside of Brixton) to earn some extra cash, i was invited for a trial shift where i worked for 3 hours, taking multiple hundreds of pounds in transactions, and not told until afterwards this would be an unpaid shift.

I was then instructed to go on an unpaid all day training session in Kensington in my own time and expense, plus another 3 hours online training before i would be able to finally start earning some (meagre) money behind the fucking bar. I declined their offer of employment. I should have robbed the tills at my 'trial shift' and left it at that!

That's disgusting. I did some pub work in 1978/9. We got paid £3 - £5 per session (6.30 pm - 10.30 pm typically - remember licensing was different then)
Nobody ever suggested working for free.

 

[Gramsci]

I remember that Lambeth council got a lot of flak for introducing anti-homophobia rules to things it funded, which didn't go down well with some christian services.Think that was before clause 28 - can't recall what happened after that, except they had to charge us commercial fees for using the parks for Pride events, instead of letting us use them for free.

Lambeth Council, to there credit, were one of the first Councils to have an Equal Opps Policy. This dealt with racial discrimination. Some years later they decided it was time to update it. Incorporate rights for gay people.

I remember many years ago attending a meeting of residents/ housing reps where officers put forward proposed changes to Equal Opps .

The objectors were members of the Afro Carribeean community present. Whose objection was the one could not help what colour one was but being gay was some kind of choice. They didn't want gay rights in same document as anti racist policies.

I supported the Council on updating the Equal Opps Policy. Didn't go down well.

 

[editor]

When did I criticise the Ritzy workers?

Right here where you pontificated about "The irony of the Ritzy workers having their post protest pissups at a venue like the Albert".

Seeing as you find it so fucking "ironic" that they should choose to have a drink in the cheapest local late bar that is full of people who are likely to support their cause, perhaps you could advise them where they should drink, and then maybe tell me about what you've done to support the workers? You've called me a hypocrite but high and mighty moralistic lecturing is easy - I'm more interested in action. So what have you done?

The Albert staff should strike imo

Oh right. And you think it's as easy as that? When was the last time you were on strike? Do you think the low-paid, temporary staff there on zero hours contracts are going to have much of an impact if they go on strike? Or have you considered that they would just get sacked and replaced by another set of workers desperate for some kind of income?

 

[Gramsci]

That's incredible. Should not be legal

It's all to common. I know people who work in fashion industry as interns. That is unpaid work. The fashion industry,which make mega buck, uses a lot of unpaid labour.

 

[editor]

It's all to common. I know people who work in fashion industry as interns. That is unpaid work. The fashion industry,which make mega buck, uses a lot of unpaid labour.

The whole new media/tech/start up industry is powered by unpaid interns. It's disgusting.

 

[Gramsci]

When did I criticise the Ritzy workers? If you read my post I said it's quite right for them to strike. I was simply pointing out the irony of you hosting their post strike party at a venue owned by a large brewery which doesn't pay london living wage either.

The Albert staff should strike imo, and as a high profile local of theirs perhaps you should be encouraging them to do so rather than raking in the quid for the brewery with your (excellent btw) nights.

Can you see there might be a small sniff of hypocrisy there?

I live in an imperfect world. My income means I have to use shops/ services which don't pay the living wage. In fact even if I earnt enough to have a choice it would be very difficult for me to avoid places that didn't pay living wage.

One thing I do is have an internet provider which does .The Phone Coop. Might not be the cheapest but not the most expensive either. They pay Living Wage.

I live in a cut throat Capitalist society. It is not my choice. Nor is it one I have much power to change.

 

[editor]

Now this is a job I could definitely not do.

 

[twistedAM]

I'm sure you could learn how to tie balloons.

 

[friendofdorothy]

So nobody has actually asked if the breweries behind the Albert and the Dogstar if they pay the London living wage? I seem to recall the ritzy protestors decamping to the Albert to celebrate after their strikes. Probably being served by staff not on the London living wage. Bonkers.

Haven't we had this conversation a few months ago, I think people did ask exactly that question then.

Pubs are shit payers but there are many employers who are just as bad or worse. Do you buy things from Amazon? or Primark? or Tesco? or Sports Direct? or Poundland? do you boycott them all? surely its bonkers not to.
If we all boycotted everywhere that only paid minimum wage we would never be able to shop and where could we go for a pint? Why only criticise the Ritzy workers choice of pub.

How about putting pressure on govt to legislate for decent wages - so that taxpayers don't have to subsidise big profitable companies.

Is it ever possible to live an entirely ethical life? if you manage this impossible feat while living in London, please tell me how its done.

 

[Reiabuzz]

Haven't we had this conversation a few months ago, I think people did ask exactly that question then.

Pubs are shit payers but there are many employers who are just as bad or worse. Do you buy things from Amazon? or Primark? or Tesco? or Sports Direct? or Poundland? do you boycott them all? surely its bonkers not to.
If we all boycotted everywhere that only paid minimum wage we would never be able to shop and where could we go for a pint? Why only criticise the Ritzy workers choice of pub.

How about putting pressure on govt to legislate for decent wages - so that taxpayers don't have to subsidise big profitable companies.

Is it ever possible to live an entirely ethical life? if you manage this impossible feat while living in London, please tell me how its done.

I think I'm being rather heavily misconstrued here. As I said, I know it's not possible to live an entirely ethical life in London, Britain, Planet Earth, the Milky Way. All I was pointing out was how fucking absurd it is to host apres protest parties at the Albert when they don't pay living wage and the pub across the road does.

 

[Reiabuzz]

Those parties must make a fortune for the company behind the Albert btw. The company not paying living wage. They're packed out.

 

[friendofdorothy]

I think I'm being rather heavily misconstrued here. As I said, I know it's not possible to live an entirely ethical life in London, Britain, Planet Earth, the Milky Way. All I was pointing out was how fucking absurd it is to host apres protest parties at the Albert when they don't pay living wage and the pub across the road does.

market house paying better wages is a new development though isn't it?

 

[Reiabuzz]

No idea. First I've heard of it. But it seems a good opportunity to show solidarity with the Albert staff by having their pissups there instead.

 

[brixtonblade]

It'd be good if places put a sticker in their door to indicate that they pay living wage - would help people decide where to spend their money and might help encourage more venues to pay it

 

[editor]

No idea. First I've heard of it. But it seems a good opportunity to show solidarity with the Albert staff by having their pissups there instead.

What 'solidarity' have you ever shown the Albert staff?

You have to pay to get into Market House on weekends, by the way.

 

[Gramsci]

When did I criticise the Ritzy workers? If you read my post I said it's quite right for them to strike. I was simply pointing out the irony of you hosting their post strike party at a venue owned by a large brewery which doesn't pay london living wage either.

The Albert staff should strike imo, and as a high profile local of theirs perhaps you should be encouraging them to do so rather than raking in the quid for the brewery with your (excellent btw) nights.

Can you see there might be a small sniff of hypocrisy there?

You are criticizing the Ritzy workers. The "sniff of hyprocisy" also extends to them for agreeing to use Albert.

And this is what you said in post 238

" So nobody has actually asked if the breweries behind the Albert and the Dogstar if they pay the London living wage? I seem to recall the ritzy protestors decamping to the Albert to celebrate after their strikes. Probably being served by staff not on the London living wage. Bonkers."

Sounds like criticizing Ritzy workers to me.

 

[Reiabuzz]

What 'solidarity' have you ever shown the Albert staff?

You have to pay to get into Market House on weekends, by the way.

Well for starters I don't drink there anymore. Let alone host lucrative dj nights there in aid of the corporation behind it. You DJ at both venues so I assume the next post protest gig will be across the road to give a nod to the management's gesture of paying London living wage to its staff, unlike the Albert?

 

[Reiabuzz]

It'd be good if places put a sticker in their door to indicate that they pay living wage - would help people decide where to spend their money and might help encourage more venues to pay it

That is an excellent idea. Surprised places aren't already doing it, a la the Brixton pound stickers. It would definitely influence my decision on where to eat and drink.

 

[editor]

Well for starters I don't drink there anymore. Let alone host lucrative dj nights there in aid of the corporation behind it. You DJ at both venues so I assume the next post protest gig will be across the road to give a nod to the management's gesture of paying London living wage to its staff, unlike the Albert?

This is quite amusing: you're more than happy to use the goods and services created by people paid below the Living Wage yet you're awfully quick to get on your high horse and criticise others. Perhaps you really are blissfully ignorant to your own raging hypocrisy.

Oh, and if I'm asked to host another benefit/support gig for the Ritzy workers it'll be wherever they fucking want it.

Let alone host lucrative dj nights there in aid of the corporation behind it.

My nights there are free to all and no one has to buy any drinks if they don't want to. And the nights certainly aren't "in aid of the corporation."

 

[editor]

You are criticizing the Ritzy workers. The "sniff of hyprocisy" also extends to them for agreeing to use Albert.

And this is what you said in post 238



Sounds like criticizing Ritzy workers to me.

Indeed. And what's he done to support them?

 

[Reiabuzz]

My nights there are free to all and no one has to buy any drinks if they don't want to. And the nights certainly aren't "in aid of the corporation."

Wtf. You actually expect people to not buy drinks. In a pub.

 

[editor]

Wtf. You actually expect people to not buy drinks. In a pub.

Perhaps you've never been poor. I've certainly been to gigs and bars in the past and not been able to afford a pint.

 

[Reiabuzz]

Indeed. And what's he done to support them?

I would wager that the 'hundreds of pounds' you have raised for the ritzy campaign have been more than cancelled out by the dosh you've raked in for the brewery who owns the pub.