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editor said:
There's been an overwhelming response to the article posted on BrixtonBuzz about the shooting at the 414 Club and subsequrnt closure.

There's now been over a hundred responses from people, all of them incredibly positive about the club, and all of them restating how safe and friendly they've all found the club.

They have their licensing meeting tomorrow at 7pm. Good luck 414!

http://www.brixtonbuzz.com/2013/03/...ent-we-appeal-to-the-police-to-let-it-reopen/
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Are there any representations from the police? The licensing committee always does what they want.
 
True, it's too late now to do anything affecting the hearing. But if they lose they will get a fair shout if they appeal it to the magistrates. The licensing committee is downright eccentric - and that's putting it mildly. Expecting fairness there is wishful thinking.
 
Frumious B. said:
Are there any representations from the police? The licensing committee always does what they want.
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I've just been reading the police case here http://www.lambeth.gov.uk/moderngov/documents/s54862/01b Application and certificate Club 414.pdf I doubt that petitions and letters can make any difference. And I can't really see the point of the brixtonbuzz piece. Obviously nobody there has given any thought to how licensing works. It's easy to find out, all the info is out there so that the public can know what's what. Why write such an ill-informed article? :facepalm:
 
Badgers said:
Where in Brixton would someone find a passable or (dare I say) good kebab? Ideally not just a doner..
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Try Best Kebabs on effra rd/tulse hill - it only opened a few months ago I think but I was impressed - everything seemed very fresh and the guy has imported those proper donor burners - that actually use charcoal... Unusual. All the shish etc are done on charcoal grill too which makes all the difference IMO.

Shit, I want a kebab now.
 
Frumious B. said:
I've just been reading the police case here http://www.lambeth.gov.uk/moderngov/documents/s54862/01b Application and certificate Club 414.pdf I doubt that petitions and letters can make any difference. And I can't really see the point of the brixtonbuzz piece. Obviously nobody there has given any thought to how licensing works. It's easy to find out, all the info is out there so that the public can know what's what. Why write such an ill-informed article? :facepalm:
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Like most people I haven't a clue how licensing works, but I wanted to get across my personal feelings about what happened at the 414, give some context to the club and let other people voice their opinions. It may or may not prove to have some influence. You don't know for sure, neither do I. If nothing else, it provided some comfort to the club to see how loved they were, and how missed the place would be.

Shame you didn't bother to offer your own expertise at the time really. Maybe you're not bothered if it closes. I am, and did what little I could.
 
editor said:
Like most people I haven't a clue how licensing works, but I wanted to get across my personal feelings about what happened at the 414, give some context to the club and let other people voice their opinions. It may or may not prove to have some influence. You don't know for sure, neither do I. If nothing else, it provided some comfort to the club to see how loved they were, and how missed the place would be.

Shame you didn't bother to offer your own expertise at the time really. Maybe you're not bothered if it closes. I am, and did what little I could.
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Oh I didn't realise BrixtonBuzz was you! :D But I can be sure the piece won't have any influence. If you read the docs on the council site you'll appreciate that anyone who just says 'please let the 414 reopen because it's great' can quite reasonably be ignored by the committee as not being familiar with the issues. The police have something to say about a gun and a knife and door security. So they have said the club can reopen subject to a very long list of extra conditions on the licence. This is actually very positive - much, much better than the police saying 'the club must close'. Perhaps the owner will satisfy all the conditions and all will be well. But in many cases some of the conditions will be unreasonable, inappropriate, bad for trade or ruinously expensive to implement. If the latter, and the club needs some conditions to be deleted, then it would be influential to marshall public opinion into some specific demands along those lines.

Various licensed premises are dear to your heart, so why not learn about the process? You never know, there might be scope for you to help the Albert or the Dogstar one of these days. Or to help the 414 if they appeal to the magistrates. I wouldn't have any time to offer as I have ME and am already overstretched with local mental health/benefits issues.
 
Frumious B. said:
Oh I didn't realise BrixtonBuzz was you! :D But I can be sure the piece won't have any influence. If you read the docs on the council site you'll appreciate that anyone who just says 'please let the 414 reopen because it's great' can quite reasonably be ignored by the committee as not being familiar with the issues. The police have something to say about a gun and a knife and door security. So they have said the club can reopen subject to a very long list of extra conditions on the licence.
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You do understand I wrote the article before I saw the PDF document? If I had seen it, I would have written something entirely different.

As you've explained, it's an 'eccentric' process and it's something I've learnt more about in the last few hours, but my main concern at the time was getting a fair, balanced article out about the shooting before anyone else reported it.

My fear was that some reporters who don't know the place would run with a predictable sensationalist spin of: black owned club + black music + Brixton + gangs = guns = OMGmustbecloseddownforever.

I wanted to write something that so when people did look up the incident they would at least get the full story. Maybe some of the people involved in the licensing process may have read it too and learnt something. Or maybe not. I tried to do something, at least.
 
What do you reckon to the extra security gadgets* the police want? Are they prohibitively expensive?

It's a good sign that the police aren't asking for the club to close - it means they have confidence that the mgmt can rise to the challenge. Given that the DJ was shot in the club and a knife was found, I think the police have not been unreasonable so far. The expedited review process, whereby they temporarily suspend a licence while there's a hearing, is specifically intended to thwart gun and knife crime. The owner seems very on the ball to me - I hope his finances can cope with this closure and the cost of extra security, legal bills, wages and so on.

*Looks like punters will need to have scannable ID - drivers licence, passport or PASS proof of age card. How will that affect attendance?
 
Frumious B. said:
*Looks like punters will need to have scannable ID - drivers licence, passport or PASS proof of age card. How will that affect attendance?
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It hit the Dogstar quite hard at first - they went something like 20% down after the machine was installed - but that place is so mental busy these days it's made no odds.

It will hit smaller clubs harder though because they often rely on a 'walk-up' crowd. That said, the 414 has a fairly loyal crowd, and I'm thinking that seeing as quite a few of those are foreigners, they may already be used to needing ID for a night out.

I reckon it's going to happen to almost all the clubs/pubs around Brixton sooner or later. :(
 
editor said:
It hit the Dogstar quite hard at first - they went something like 20% down after the machine was installed - but that place is so mental busy these days it's made no odds.

It will hit smaller clubs harder though because they often rely on a 'walk-up' crowd. That said, the 414 has a fairly loyal crowd, and I'm thinking that seeing as quite a few of those are foreigners, they may already be used to needing ID for a night out.
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This whole ID thing worries me. Cameron has just , under pressure from UKIP success, made speech about immigration. Part of which is the usual cracking down :rolleyes: on "illegal" immigration. If my visa status was a bit iffy ( which is common in London) I would think twice about going to a place which recorded ID. Also I do not normally go out with ID.
 
Just wanted to say thank you to ‘Editor’ for your kindness and positive thoughts for us at club 414…
Like most of us ‘old timers’ in Brixton the changes we are seeing some good some not so and others are quite frightening……but ….we have to change with the times even if we do not want too.
We live in a time where it seems our every move is caught on camera…..the powers that be want to put ID where they can to those faces….It looks like if you need a licence to do anything then photo ID will be required…..sooner or later all licensed premises will need to have ID scanners to check you are allowed to have a drink and enjoy yourself…first by imposing it then over a period of time it will be the norm…..the younger generation is already accepting this…….in years to come we might have to be micro-chipped at birth and a DNA register to boot also……
 
Crispy said:
BEM?
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editor said:
They had a sign saying 'closed for maintenance' but it looks like it has indeed gone for good.

That's a real loss to Coldharbour Lane. I bought my PA from there. :(
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Was good for smaller things like cables and strings too if you needed something in a hurry and didnt want to travel or go online, he had an electric mandolin in the window that caught my eye, never had the spondoolicks to treat myself though.......
 
They previously had a licensing agreement that people should be searched before entry then a gun (discharged twice) and a knife (in view of customers in a planter) get in on separate nights. The door was rushed and not reported to police...

They're being asked to install ID Scan, search wands and search arch at all times. Change their security company and no glass bottles after midnight. DPS has to check security every hour...

I think they've probably got off lightly to be fair after that report!!
 
editor said:
What punishment do you think would be appropriate for these two isolated incidents in as many decades?
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Licensing doesn't work like that. You're being somewhat naive. It's not about punishment, it's ensuring you comply with what is set out in licensing law, which is to be honest, for the benefit of everyone. Go look up what the licensing act 2003 objectives are.

They already had a previous licencing agreement with the police according to that report, due to another incident you may not know about??
 
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