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I think beer deliveries are of lesser importance than keeping pavements accessible for people with mobility issues. So, if SWU want to put their stuff on the street I'd rather they put it there, whilst Lambeth decide what to do about it.
As usual you go the opposite way to common sense.

If you have an access road which is barely used by vehicles why cannot people with mobility issues and other pedestrians use that whist the pavement is re-designated as an art-space?
 
I like it. Great seating for an evening pint. That road is used a surprising amount in the evenings - certainly more than you'd expect
 
Shame I missed this party - the Wonderland parties are always bloody ace.

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A nautical night of glitter: Photos from the Wonderland party at Brixton’s Prince Of Wales
 
As usual you go the opposite way to common sense.

If you have an access road which is barely used by vehicles why cannot people with mobility issues and other pedestrians use that whist the pavement is re-designated as an art-space?
Absolutely, designate the roadway as a pedestrian/shared space area with restricted access for vehicles (which is then enforced properly), provide the appropriate dropped kerbs etc. I would support that completely. I don't support dumping stuff on the pavement so that people in wheelchairs are forced into a roadway with motor traffic.
 
As usual you go the opposite way to common sense.

If you have an access road which is barely used by vehicles why cannot people with mobility issues and other pedestrians use that whist the pavement is re-designated as an art-space?
I'd be surprised if even one wheelchair user a week navigated this exact space and I'd be even more surprised if any of them suffered the slightest inconvenience given the ample space all around and the fact that it leads to a wide pedestrianised area.
 
Absolutely, designate the roadway as a pedestrian/shared space area with restricted access for vehicles (which is then enforced properly), provide the appropriate dropped kerbs etc. I would support that completely. I don't support dumping stuff on the pavement so that people in wheelchairs are forced into a roadway with motor traffic.

Your high horse reaches a new low.

Well done.

There was a time I felt your posts carried some kind of moral agenda, but of late they have exposed a real intolerent streak masked behind some phoney community spirit.

'Think of the wheelchair users'

Oh....do......fucking....one.
 
H&M upstairs has been open for 2-3 weeks at least. "H & M Home", they say - looked like a narrow selection of décor stuff you could already have bought in Morley's tbh. They fixed it all up at the same time as the general refit.
 
As usual you go the opposite way to common sense.

If you have an access road which is barely used by vehicles why cannot people with mobility issues and other pedestrians use that whist the pavement is re-designated as an art-space?

Post Bradys it was just a piss point. It stank and it was horrid.

It's been great having the art there. Only a fucking moron would support losing that. Only a fucking moron would be behind it having to go.

Morons everywhere it seems.

.....and we wonder why Trump makes strides towards leadership???
 
Post Bradys it was just a piss point. It stank and it was horrid.

It's been great having the art there. Only a fucking moron would support losing that. Only a fucking moron would be behind it having to go.

Morons everywhere it seems.

.....and we wonder why Trump makes strides towards leadership???
I think the artists' work adds character to that bit of the market and also the Rec building which it must be admitted emanates austerity whatever it's other merits!
 
It adds life and feeling to a dead space. It might be cheap and cheerful, but it is lively and colourful....and has some fucking drive and meaning.

Unlike some faux-think of the wheelchairs users bollocks.

Has anyone asked anyone with mobility issues if this little piece of turf taken over by art has had a negative impact on their negotiation of our streets?
 
Has anyone asked anyone with mobility issues if this little piece of turf taken over by art has had a negative impact on their negotiation of our streets?
Have you?

Do you agree with the principle that we should design buildings and public spaces so that they are reasonably accessible to all?

If so, putting yourself in the position of the council, how exactly do you decide when you can make special exceptions to those widely accepted design principles?

I've suggested how the situation could be resolved in such a way that the route through can remain accessible and the art can remain in place.

Meanwhile maybe try and picture yourself on a roadway in a wheelchair with a beer delivery lorry facing you and work out how you're going to get up onto the kerb to pass it, when it's not level because the street hasn't been designed for this scenario.
 
Have you?

Do you agree with the principle that we should design buildings and public spaces so that they are reasonably accessible to all?

If so, putting yourself in the position of the council, how exactly do you decide when you can make special exceptions to those widely accepted design principles?

I've suggested how the situation could be resolved in such a way that the route through can remain accessible and the art can remain in place.

Meanwhile maybe try and picture yourself on a roadway in a wheelchair with a beer delivery lorry facing you and work out how you're going to get up onto the kerb to pass it, when it's not level because the street hasn't been designed for this scenario.

You are no one to question 'understanding needs' given some of your recent comments on this forum.
 
You are no one to question 'understanding needs' given some of your recent comments on this forum.

....and your subsequent attempt to misquote and reassemble my comments to suit your tiny little intolerant agenda which clearly exposed you as someone who felt angry young black people deserved no understanding.

...while white, badly behaved people, did not deserve my criticism..
 
....and your subsequent attempt to misquote and reassemble my comments to suit your tiny little intolerant agenda which clearly exposed you as someone who felt angry young black people deserved no understanding.
Eh? What are you on about now? I've said no such thing.
 
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Here's a photo to give a bit of context to where the art is placed in Beehive Place. It's at the end of this ramshackle piece of pavement that barely a soul uses. I don't think many wheelchair users would elect to use it, if any. Most pedestrians don't. I always walk along the road because it's such an unpleasant stretch of pavement.
 
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No. You didn't. I apologise. It was someone else. I am sorry for that. I wrote back in anger. Sorry.
Ok. Thanks.

I do feel that I am reasonably placed to understand the needs of people with reduced mobility because although I am lucky enough not to be in that position myself, it is part of my day-to-day job to try and consider these things in some detail from a design point of view.

Lots of things that individually seem insignificant, placed in people's way, add up to an environment which becomes difficult for some people to navigate. Furthermore, the less consistency there is, the worse everything works. It's not just people who are in wheelchairs but, amongst many others, those who are visually impaired too. There is a lot of guidance on how to design street furniture and the interior of buildings that is based on research into what makes things difficult for people and some of these things aren't things that you'd necessarily think of. For example, if there's an information board on a pavement that's supported on two posts, there should be something between the posts at low level because someone blind or partially sighted will be scanning the ground at low level and might not notice the fact that there's a board at head height spanning between those two posts.

I constantly see people blocking the pavement with all sorts of things including parked cars and because I have an eye out for it I notice it when I see, for example, someone elderly having to go out into the carriageway because of this. When there are roadworks in the pavement, there are (supposed to be) safe routes provided around it with barriers so drivers know that people will be walking there, and there should be those yellow kerb ramps too, for people who find it difficult to get over kerbs. This is not health and safety gone mad, it's all for a good reason.

There's no reason why this section of pavement should be subject to special rules.

It's not acceptable in any context where accessibility is being discussed to use the reasoning that it's ok because only very few people with mobility problems might want to use a certain area, because that misses the whole point about universal accessibility. It doesn't matter whether it's two or two hundred wheelchair users per year who might want to head down the pavement of that alleyway. There has to be a good reason to decide it's ok to knowingly exclude those people or make it more difficult for them.

I am not saying SWU or any of the people who made the objects did so with any intention to block accessibility. However, if it's pointed out to Lambeth then it's their duty to sort it out.
 
Ok. Thanks.

I do feel that I am reasonably placed to understand the needs of people with reduced mobility because although I am lucky enough not to be in that position myself, it is part of my day-to-day job to try and consider these things in some detail from a design point of view.

Lots of things that individually seem insignificant, placed in people's way, add up to an environment which becomes difficult for some people to navigate. Furthermore, the less consistency there is, the worse everything works. It's not just people who are in wheelchairs but, amongst many others, those who are visually impaired too. There is a lot of guidance on how to design street furniture and the interior of buildings that is based on research into what makes things difficult for people and some of these things aren't things that you'd necessarily think of. For example, if there's an information board on a pavement that's supported on two posts, there should be something between the posts at low level because someone blind or partially sighted will be scanning the ground at low level and might not notice the fact that there's a board at head height spanning between those two posts.

I constantly see people blocking the pavement with all sorts of things including parked cars and because I have an eye out for it I notice it when I see, for example, someone elderly having to go out into the carriageway because of this. When there are roadworks in the pavement, there are (supposed to be) safe routes provided around it with barriers so drivers know that people will be walking there, and there should be those yellow kerb ramps too, for people who find it difficult to get over kerbs. This is not health and safety gone mad, it's all for a good reason.

There's no reason why this section of pavement should be subject to special rules.

It's not acceptable in any context where accessibility is being discussed to use the reasoning that it's ok because only very few people with mobility problems might want to use a certain area, because that misses the whole point about universal accessibility. It doesn't matter whether it's two or two hundred wheelchair users per year who might want to head down the pavement of that alleyway. There has to be a good reason to decide it's ok to knowingly exclude those people or make it more difficult for them.

I am not saying SWU or any of the people who made the objects did so with any intention to block accessibility. However, if it's pointed out to Lambeth then it's their duty to sort it out.

Atlantic road pavement has been narrowed by the shopkeepers spilling out on the pavement. The Council has not told them to clear the pavement. A pavement which is heavily used on Saturdays when a lot of people go shopping.
 
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Here's a photo to give a bit of context to where the art is placed in Beehive Place. It's at the end of this ramshackle piece of pavement that barely a soul uses. I don't think many wheelchair users would elect to use it, if any. Most pedestrians don't. I always walk along the road because it's such an unpleasant stretch of pavement.

I hardly ever see anyone using Beehive Place. The planters were not in anyones way. They were an improvement. They brightened up the area in a good way. It used to have rubbish dumped in that corner.
 
You could get the people out of Block 336/We are 336 to give a view.
That after all is their bread and butter too - disability rights, accessibility and art.

The way things are panning out right now it reads as though "a complaint" has been made by a non-disabled person on a political agenda.

As the picture above shows the area is desolate and unused by anybody - disabled or otherwise - except for peeing against as someone formerly said.

Goodbye art - welcome piss - all in the name of wheelchair access where it hasn't been demonstrated this is the most efficient way of providing it.
 
The Blog have excelled themselves on this one, sneering away at those who bothered to get involved in the campaign (just 200 according to their writer) and leading with a sensationalist spin on a campaigner who was supposedly "violently dismantling a Labour Party stall."

As is often the case, there's more substance and more accurate reporting in the readers' comments.

Pink protest challenges council

I was at the march.

I did not see what happened with the Labour party stall. So no first hand account from me on that.

Its an unnecessarily negative article.

Something like this is a broad church. From protest groups like the library campaign to hard left. Like the RCG and I also saw the local anarchist/ autonomist group present. Both groups are not opportunistically trying to use marches like this to gain cadres.

The RCG have given a lot of support to ordinary people and there housing. Such as the E15 mothers in East London.

Yes there views are on the extreme end but they should not just be dismissed as they were in the the Blog piece.

The local Anarchist/autonomist group have also given a lot of support to local struggles. They tend to be more low profile.

Both produce really good banners etc.

Momentum were at the demo with there banner. So the Blog piece was wrong on this. I did chat to a couple of local Momentum supporters.

Cllr Rachel also attended the march.

Kate Hoey could not attend but sent the piece in the Blog that was read out at beginning of the march to applause.

Demos and marches are lively affairs and not always harmonious. Thats not a weakness but a strength.
 
Atlantic road pavement has been narrowed by the shopkeepers spilling out on the pavement. The Council has not told them to clear the pavement. A pavement which is heavily used on Saturdays when a lot of people go shopping.
If someone complained that a shop on Atlantic Rd was taking up so much of the pavement that, say, wheelchair users were having difficulty getting past, then I'd hope Lambeth would do something about it. I'm not sure what your point is.
 
one reason wheelchair users might not be inclined to use Beehive Place as a thoroughfare might be the complete lack of pavement at the other end from the art works........image.jpg
......this leads me to conclude the council are acting for other reasons, most likely because some of the artworks are celebrating elements of Brixton they aren't keen on....... I like the art works and their removal will not be an improvement......
 
one reason wheelchair users might not be inclined to use Beehive Place as a thoroughfare might be the complete lack of pavement at the other end from the art works........View attachment 93781
......this leads me to conclude the council are acting for other reasons, most likely because some of the artworks are celebrating elements of Brixton they aren't keen on....... I like the art works and their removal will not be an improvement......
This whole wheelchair argument is a total red herring. Barely anyone walks along this road because it (a) has no pavement for most of its length and (b) it stinks of piss.
 
If someone complained that a shop on Atlantic Rd was taking up so much of the pavement that, say, wheelchair users were having difficulty getting past, then I'd hope Lambeth would do something about it. I'm not sure what your point is.

That Lambeth are being selective in dealing with "nuisance" on the highway.

They should not need a complaint if this is a H&S issue.
 
If the stuff had been placed in the roadway in that alley, and Lambeth had removed it, would folk be putting so much effort into finding reasons why this restriction on the freedom of motor vehicle drivers to go where they want shouldn't be considered a problem, I wonder?
 
For the last two weeks there's been a pile of bricks on the pavement on Coldharbour Lane near Loughborough Junction station. Just right at the bus stop opposite NISA. There's a 'sold' sign in amongst the rubble.
Last week I was waiting for the bus when a woman in a mobility chair scooter thing was trying to get past, so two of us at the bus stop picked up a few of the worst bricks and moved them to let her get through. That was at least a week ago. Bricks still there now. If you care deeply about mobility come to the bus stop opposite NISA on coldharbour lane and move the bricks / email lambeth about it.
 
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