Hang on isn't he a sitting Labour councillor for Herne Hill? Or has he stood down?
http://www.lambethlabour.com/lambethlabourpeople/jimdickson.html
Brixton Market redevelopment?
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Hang on isn't he a sitting Labour councillor for Herne Hill? Or has he stood down?
http://www.lambethlabour.com/lambethlabourpeople/jimdickson.html
doh
I seem to be fucking up everything I touch at the moment.
If you have a chance give me a call - I've got some campaign ideas that might help.
If anyone wants to start emailing their councillors then go to:
writetothem.com and put in your postcode and you can email them directly from the site.
For the record the planning committee members are:
# Councillor Toren Smith (Chair) - Labour
# Councillor Diana Morris (Vice-Chair) - Labour
# Councillor Andrew Gibson - Labour
# Councillor Julian Heather Lib Dem
# Councillor David Malley - Labour
# Councillor Brian Palmer - Lib Dem
# Councillor Neil Sabharwal - Labour
Substitute members are:
# Councillor Adedamola Aminu - Labour
# Councillor June Fewtrell - Lib Dem
# Councillor Ruth Ling - Labour
# Councillor Andrew Sawdon - Lib Dem - Oval ward
Further details here.
lang rabbie
Je ne regrette les gazebos
See my post 25 above, before anyone else posts anything too defamatory about Jim, much as I might enjoy reading it.
Gramsci
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Well I went to have a look.Without having a go I did ask the guy from LAP and architect a few questions.The pretty girl from the PR company unfortunately had to go
as I was all up for asking her a few questions).
Well according to the architect they are going to keep the glass roof and the metal struts.These they have looked at and are in good shape.So the layout will be roughly the same.They is proposed an alleyway between the market and the Laundry leading to the new proposed Exchange sq.The now units there will face outwards onto the new alleyway.There will be a couple of larger units but most units will stay the same.The retail will be on the ground floor only with flats above.
The flats above are proposed to have "green roofs".They will be high compered to the rest of Brixton skyline.They said they needed the flats to subsidise the market development.They did admit in the present climate thus scheme was no go.The front of the new development looks bland to me.Not exciting modern architecture.
What was interesting was how the architects plans fitted in with the, as yet to be published, Future Brixton masterplan.They did say they have been talking to Future Brixton officers (including the top one who i wont name).They issue of sustainability is addressed.The high density housing is in line with Councils proposals and mixed use of site is as well.
They also said the drains /infrastructure need modernising.Which is probably correct as our drains dont work that well.The rats can come up them.
as I was all up for asking her a few questions).Well according to the architect they are going to keep the glass roof and the metal struts.These they have looked at and are in good shape.So the layout will be roughly the same.They is proposed an alleyway between the market and the Laundry leading to the new proposed Exchange sq.The now units there will face outwards onto the new alleyway.There will be a couple of larger units but most units will stay the same.The retail will be on the ground floor only with flats above.
The flats above are proposed to have "green roofs".They will be high compered to the rest of Brixton skyline.They said they needed the flats to subsidise the market development.They did admit in the present climate thus scheme was no go.The front of the new development looks bland to me.Not exciting modern architecture.
What was interesting was how the architects plans fitted in with the, as yet to be published, Future Brixton masterplan.They did say they have been talking to Future Brixton officers (including the top one who i wont name).They issue of sustainability is addressed.The high density housing is in line with Councils proposals and mixed use of site is as well.
They also said the drains /infrastructure need modernising.Which is probably correct as our drains dont work that well.The rats can come up them.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
You could ask your Councillor why the Future Brixton masterplan is not yet published for public viewing and consultation.
What disturbed me about the plans is that LAP and senior officers in Future Brixton are talking about big developments in Brixton on the basis of the (unpublished and not agreed by cabinet) masterplan.It seems residents are coming last in line on consultation on this.
Also it might be worth asking your Councillor what Future Brixton are up to and whether they have Councillor approval for talking to developers like LAP.
I have obtained a copy of the FB final draft of masterplan so I know what Im talking about.
Im on the FB email list and I have had nothing on this.
What concerns is that LAP are looking to put in an application that the present Labour administration can support through secret talks with trusted seniot officers.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
LAP are promising to rehouse the traders temporarily whilst building works go on and give them a right to return.This should be written into any planning approval.
LAP say they will keep leases at same level until they expire.So I assume that means they can go up afterwards.I dont now whether LBL can put in rent controls in any planning approval (Do u know Lang Rabbie?).
I dont think so.Tried to talk to the friends of BM but was waylaid explaining how market rents and capitalism worked to one of our more thick residents.Seems that LAP wont put up rents because they "Wont do that"
. They would if they could and could get people to pay it.
LAP say they will keep leases at same level until they expire.So I assume that means they can go up afterwards.I dont now whether LBL can put in rent controls in any planning approval (Do u know Lang Rabbie?).
I dont think so.Tried to talk to the friends of BM but was waylaid explaining how market rents and capitalism worked to one of our more thick residents.Seems that LAP wont put up rents because they "Wont do that"
. They would if they could and could get people to pay it.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Thanks I know the building in Leicester sq. Im sure they have Chinese wall.But all these people know each other.New Labour / PR / business all seem linked. The Proles come last.
LAP are promising to rehouse the traders temporarily whilst building works go on and give them a right to return.This should be written into any planning approval.
LAP say they will keep leases at same level until they expire.So I assume that means they can go up afterwards.I dont now whether LBL can put in rent controls in any planning approval (Do u know Lang Rabbie?).
I dont think so.Tried to talk to the friends of BM but was waylaid explaining how market rents and capitalism worked to one of our more thick residents.Seems that LAP wont put up rents because they "Wont do that"
The guy from LAP told me that rents would stay at the same level "until we rent all the units".
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
For the record Im not against new developments if they are of high quality and meet social criteria.
Seems to me the economic arguments for saving the market are weak under our wonderful capitalist "free market".
social housing (thats cheap see other threads on this), reasonably priced retail units and art spaces (as other poster points out) are whats needed.
Seems to me the economic arguments for saving the market are weak under our wonderful capitalist "free market".
social housing (thats cheap see other threads on this), reasonably priced retail units and art spaces (as other poster points out) are whats needed.
There is an update on the FurureBrixton plans in the Agenda papers for the Feb 9th meeting here:
http://www.lambeth.gov.uk/moderngov/ieListMeetings.aspx?CId=225&Year=2009
http://www.lambeth.gov.uk/moderngov/ieListMeetings.aspx?CId=225&Year=2009
Gramsci
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Thanks for that Opal Fruit.Reading the "interim" report seems like the collapse in land values and the consultants dealing with this going bust has delayed the Masterplan.
Interesting that now the land values have changed the report says that public bodies rather than private business may play a more important role.
Interesting that now the land values have changed the report says that public bodies rather than private business may play a more important role.
Video of what LAP are planning for a market in Chelsea here (with a mention of Brixton) http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7915944.stm
Someone posted this Evening Standard story about the market on another thread: http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/stand...'will+rip+the+guts+out+of+Brixton'/article.do
Does anyone know anything about a demonstration tomorrow?
Does anyone know anything about a demonstration tomorrow?
There's nothing on their website either
Don't tell me this is an example of poor journalism from the Evening Sub-Standard?
SLP is reporting today that the plans have been dropped and they'll invest in the existing market
Who? LAP?
Without any strings?
Sorry, want to be pleased but if you're talking about LAP I can't see them doing anything without it having strings attached.
Stobart Stopper
Well-Known Member
Just read this in the Standard, it's a fucking outrage IMO.
newbie
undisambiguated
Who? LAP?
Without any strings?
Sorry, want to be pleased but if you're talking about LAP I can't see them doing anything without it having strings attached.
yes I agree, but that's what it says. Doesn't seem to be online yet but I guess it will be in the next day or so.
lang rabbie
Je ne regrette les gazebos
A curious press release came out of the town hall today...
But surely those concerns were only possible because our Nu-Labour council had authorised the earlier Future Brixton planning documents that recommended demolishing Granville Arcade to build housing on top!
It is also half empty, which is a major challenge to everyone. Whatever gripes I share about the new property owners and their attempts to hike the traders' rents, the aisles of Granville Arcade furthest from Atlantic Road have been slowly dying for years...
When I hear the word "iconic", I reach for my revolver...
But surely those concerns were only possible because our Nu-Labour council had authorised the earlier Future Brixton planning documents that recommended demolishing Granville Arcade to build housing on top!
It is also half empty, which is a major challenge to everyone. Whatever gripes I share about the new property owners and their attempts to hike the traders' rents, the aisles of Granville Arcade furthest from Atlantic Road have been slowly dying for years...
When I hear the word "iconic", I reach for my revolver...
DJWrongspeed
radio eros
I think the place needs a rethink, a relaunch, the idea of loads of little business' in there is great, but ldn markets are fickle and it needs a bit of theme to get it going again, bland as that might sound. I think alot of the business' are there coz it's cheap, but if there's no-one there
I'll try and post up my '98 audio doc of the place, it's a mad mix of the place.
I'll try and post up my '98 audio doc of the place, it's a mad mix of the place.
That's phenomenal chutzpah. I'm impressed. Presumably the Friends of Brixton Market are too pleased to get support from the council to complain.
supercity
Back, and readjusting
The arcades have been run down by whoever's in charge of them for years. Back in the day, when British Rail wanted to shut down a station, they'd make a return journey from it impractical, wait a year or two, then show everyone how few passengers they were carrying. The market, it seems to me, has been managed in the same way.
I've lived here for long enough to witness the death of Station Road market, the decline of Electric Avenue, and now this?
Anyone with a commercial head on their shoulders and a bit of cash behind them could make a go of the arcades by allowing them to open later, doing a bit of high-quality refurbishment, and with a well implemented system of preferential rents, ie charge loads to Starbucks and their ilk and charge less to local, specialised businesses (organic pizza place, fishmongers) in a fixed ratio. That way you get the chain store crowd, and the "discerning" shopper.
The way Marylebone High St has been managed may not be to everyone's taste, but the reason it's not an identikit shopping street and still has small-turnover speciality shops is that it's been managed on these lines for years. Not that we'd see the arcades turning into a rival for W1 in a hurry...
I've lived here for long enough to witness the death of Station Road market, the decline of Electric Avenue, and now this?
Anyone with a commercial head on their shoulders and a bit of cash behind them could make a go of the arcades by allowing them to open later, doing a bit of high-quality refurbishment, and with a well implemented system of preferential rents, ie charge loads to Starbucks and their ilk and charge less to local, specialised businesses (organic pizza place, fishmongers) in a fixed ratio. That way you get the chain store crowd, and the "discerning" shopper.
The way Marylebone High St has been managed may not be to everyone's taste, but the reason it's not an identikit shopping street and still has small-turnover speciality shops is that it's been managed on these lines for years. Not that we'd see the arcades turning into a rival for W1 in a hurry...
Boudicca
Seaside Queen
I had a clothing shop in Granville Arcade for about three years, but there was never really enough business to make it worthwhile. I expanded into the next unit, hit the VAT threshold, realise all my profit was going to the VAT man and gave up and went to Camden.
Also tried a cafe, but the opening hours made it impossible to make money.
Market management were amiable enough, but DJwrongspeed is right, it does need a theme and probably a rent free period to entice people down there.
Also tried a cafe, but the opening hours made it impossible to make money.
Market management were amiable enough, but DJwrongspeed is right, it does need a theme and probably a rent free period to entice people down there.
Crispy
The following psytrance is baṉned: All
Strangely enough, the proposed Overground station (that would probably have ended up being paid for by the redevelopment) would have been an ideal magnet for the market. If you had to walk past/through the market to get to the station, passing trade and familiarity would rocket.
Boudicca
Seaside Queen
It isn't that easy to make money in Brixton. Shoplifting is a major problem (lots of addicts come to steal) and there doesn't see to be much money being spent (unless you are a hairdresser or a chicken shop). So it might need some lateral thinking to come up with a way of getting Granville Arcade going again.
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