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Brixton Liveable Neighbourhood and LTN schemes - improvements for pedestrians and cyclists

Years ago. When did I say that?!

Paranoid now!
Less than a year ago. It was the discussion here:

 
Less than a year ago. It was the discussion here:


My street at the time of the LJ LTN.
 
Could you give an example of one of these '10 minute' journeys?

I can't it was an exaggeration on how you just can't predict your journey by bus or car. Even google doesn't help as it changes so rapidy.

Result is you end up allocating much more time for each journey regardless of how you're making it by car or bus. Personally it feels as if half my life is either spent working or traveling now, when before it wasnt like that. Predictable.
 
I can't it was an exaggeration on how you just can't predict your journey by bus or car. Even google doesn't help as it changes so rapidy.

Result is you end up allocating much more time for each journey regardless of how you're making it by car or bus. Personally it feels as if half my life is either spent working or traveling now, when before it wasnt like that. Predictable.
I never seem to have this problem when getting around my local area - and I've never owned a car.
 
My point is that while Lambeth could undoubtedly always have done things better/differently, the core of the opposition to these schemes would still be there, and the process would still be a bumpy and difficult one. In my opinion.

Lambeth had planned to attempt to do it differently. They decided to take another path.

I've said enough of what I think should have happened on this thread

On that basis I can't support what Lambeth have done.
 
lambeth could have a bloke handing out tenners outside the council offices and some dickhead would complaining they were handing out pictures of the queen.

Alex

I don't want to blow my own trumpet here but if it wasn't for people like me and many others in Lambeth who are "dickheads" things like the Brixton Rec site for example would have been disposed of as a development opportunity by Lambeth. That's just one example.

There are others.
 
I can't it was an exaggeration on how you just can't predict your journey by bus or car. Even google doesn't help as it changes so rapidy.

Result is you end up allocating much more time for each journey regardless of how you're making it by car or bus. Personally it feels as if half my life is either spent working or traveling now, when before it wasnt like that. Predictable.

love how fact free your feelings are
 
Given the traffic and many cycle on main roads I can't actually see them being any safer. Probably why all pictures are of kids on tricycles in LTNs and not commuters trying to get around while swearing under their breath as they navigate slow moving or idel traffic.
Is there any truth in this? I'm new to commuter cycling and only because LTNs and other changes make it feel safe enough. I don't seem to be the only commuter cyclist using Railton Road and Shakespeare Road. Are there way more on the main roads and I just don't see them?
 
I can't it was an exaggeration on how you just can't predict your journey by bus or car. Even google doesn't help as it changes so rapidy.

Result is you end up allocating much more time for each journey regardless of how you're making it by car or bus. Personally it feels as if half my life is either spent working or traveling now, when before it wasnt like that. Predictable.
It was only a page ago that you were telling us that you don't and can't travel by bus at all. Now you are telling us that you can't predict bus journey times.
 
Is there any truth in this? I'm new to commuter cycling and only because LTNs and other changes make it feel safe enough. I don't seem to be the only commuter cyclist using Railton Road and Shakespeare Road. Are there way more on the main roads and I just don't see them?
I'm a confident cyclist who has cycled everywhere in London (on all types of roads) since 1993.

What's interesting about the new-ish segregated routes and LTNs is that they have changed the way I move about London. Given a choice, I tend to visit locations which I can get to via those routes. And it is noticeably more stressful when cycling on 'open roads'. Mrs W pointed out the other day that whenever we got home from work one or the other of us had a story about being cut-up by a car. Doesn't happen nearly as often now.
 
That's the thing though. I don't think. Like my last post said, you'll never see me again.

There was an article ages ago about how this level of interaction and campaigning is the forte of the middle class, well off. Unless you're paid to do it or it really is your passion.

I can't even solve my own health problems in London let alone try to solve car use in London. I've had to take a loan to travel to a foreign country to pay for medical procedures because COVID absolutely screwed the NHS waiting times. Anyone who could intubate was sent to the COVID wards and the waiting lists were long before - they are epic now. So i'm here, doing my best to work remotely while recovering at a friends house in a foreign land.

I'm just keeping my head above the water. Still getting the updates from my partner and neighbours about the traffic and situation there.

Before we had a borough that had heavily declining pollution levels. Now Its a car park. Traffic, honking, no one able to get around by (god forbid) car, bus. No one opening the windows to let in a breeze. Was it often liek this? Yup. Rush hour. Accidents. 2015. A few road works. Now its been a nightmware for months. What for? The rage on nextdoor, the media, the comments section on BB shows this isnt like the council has decided to make one rubbish trip a fortnight instead of every week or pave over a playground.. This is hitting people hard - not just car users either

All to try to eek out a few percentage points of car users. Whatever percentage they are of overall travel....and have an option to give up the car. i.e not work work and 'unnecessary' journeys. All while bus and tube capacity reduced and buses just sit there inching along.

For gods sake improve public transport, lower the cost, make better routes, more routes, fast track those e scooters. Don't create a car park to punish people into submission. It doesn't work, this is UK, not belarus.
You're missing the big point, which is covid. A lot of people don't want to go on public transport. If you want them to use the car instead then you need to start talking about knocking buildings down and building motorways - we don't have the capacity. LTNs are part of the solution, along with those other things you mention.
 
I'm a confident cyclist who has cycled everywhere in London (on all types of roads) since 1993.

What's interesting about the new-ish segregated routes and LTNs is that they have changed the way I move about London. Given a choice, I tend to visit locations which I can get to via those routes. And it is noticeably more stressful when cycling on 'open roads'. Mrs W pointed out the other day that whenever we got home from work one or the other of us had a story about being cut-up by a car. Doesn't happen nearly as often now.

This is my experience as well and started seeing so many nice areas that never used to. Walworth is a lovely area that I hardly knew about.

Also has meant can cycle with my daughter rather than using public transport. You really start to appreciate how oppressive traffic makes an area once it’s gone. I don’t see how it’s unreasonable to make cars use main roads rather than cutting through areas.
 
Could you give some examples of these short journeys you were alluding to previously?

I can try to do you one better. We are taking about resuming our community meetings once lockdown ends (fully open I mean) and people feel safe. They were always well attended with 50-60 people and if they are on would you come sit?

A mixture of all sorts. Old, young, able bodied, not. Some working, some unemployed, some retired, some shop owners. Majority public transport users. It's not all about LTNs. It's not all anti LTN.

Youd get a wide range of feelings and experiences from bus users losing significant time every day, those whose friends / family / carers are no longer visiting, car users (who are also human) who are losing hours every day. I could go on.
 
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I can try to do you one better. We are taking about resuming our community meetings once lockdown ends (fully open I mean) and people feel safe. They were always well attended with 50-60 people and if they are on would you come sit?

A mixture of all sorts. Old, young, able bodied, not. Some working, some unemployed, some retired, some shop owners. Majority public transport users. It's not all about LTNs. It's not all anti LTN.

Youd get a wide range of feelings and experiences from bus users losing significant time every day, those whose friends / family / carers are no longer visiting, car users (who are also human) who are losing hours every day. I could go on.
I'd be happier with a straight answer, actually.
 
I'd be happier with a straight answer, actually.

I'd rather let people tell you their struggles themselves. I clearly don't do it justice myself.

Third hand info doesn't cross well and while it's by no means reportable (or interesting) its an invitation that I leave open
 
I'd rather let people tell you their struggles themselves. I clearly don't do it justice myself.

Third hand info doesn't cross well and while it's by no means reportable (or interesting) its an invitation that I leave open
Why can't you answer a simple question? You were quick to cite your own experiences earlier and now you've suddenly gone all coy when asked for some details.

It's ridiculous expecting me to give up my time and attend a meeting full of people I've never met just to get an answer to a simple, direct question.
 
I can try to do you one better. We are taking about resuming our community meetings once lockdown ends (fully open I mean) and people feel safe. They were always well attended with 50-60 people and if they are on would you come sit?

A mixture of all sorts. Old, young, able bodied, not. Some working, some unemployed, some retired, some shop owners. Majority public transport users. It's not all about LTNs. It's not all anti LTN.

Youd get a wide range of feelings and experiences from bus users losing significant time every day, those whose friends / family / carers are no longer visiting, car users (who are also human) who are losing hours every day. I could go on.

Losing hours a day!
 
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