I am broadly in favour of LTNs but have been turned against them because of this issue. I think the blue badge issue is well known to the council yet still they're putting cost first.
Brixton Liveable Neighbourhood and LTN schemes - improvements for pedestrians and cyclists
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chowce5382
Active Member
That’s already been done too. I’ve written to my MP too as have a number of others. However, we must remember that disabled are just one sub-set on vulnerable people under the Act.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
There are unpleasant people on both sides. As has been also posted on this thread.
snowy_again
Slush
It’s strange that after a number of years of discrimination against disabled people (PIP assessments, the fifteen minute care debacle, being abandoned by the government on covid etc) you appear to have done absolutely nothing.
Yet some minor adjustments to road user hierarchy that disfavours private cars - a tiny bit - and here you come running.
What do you think of people with disability who like LTNs?
Yet some minor adjustments to road user hierarchy that disfavours private cars - a tiny bit - and here you come running.
What do you think of people with disability who like LTNs?
chowce5382
Active Member
So by that logic, if I don’t stand up the very first time I see discrimination then I’m excluded from ever doing it. I’m afraid that this argument doesn’t stack up. Also, I’m pretty sure that you don’t really know anything about what I’ve done previously. It seems a little unfair to criticise me for fighting this cause. Of course the argument can be turned around by saying that, because you appear to be pro-LTN you now don’t like it when someone has a coherent argument which is based on vulnerable people. As mentioned at the previously, I’m doing this for very personal reasons and COVID has been an utter nightmare for me and close loved ones so please don’t judge my reasons without having a clue as to who I am or my moral code. It doesn’t seem in keeping with the respectful nature of this group.
I have spoken to disabled people who like LTNs, a couple said that it meant that they could cycle more often. However, most of those people are on the more able bodied end of the disabled spectrum. Just because they like them doesn’t mean that LTNs don’t cause damage to other vulnerable people. It only seems fair to me that changes such as this should fully cater for that group. It’s a shame that we can’t agree on that point.
snowy_again
Slush
£100m of new Government directed funding for TfL announced today for more street space work as part of the wider £1bn package.
The £100m has to be spent on Healthy Streets / LTN activity.
The £100m has to be spent on Healthy Streets / LTN activity.
It's probably not for this, but I've been wondering if bus lanes will actually be improved now that all traffic has moved onto the main lanes. I know that at rush hour my journey takes longer as my bus cannot move for sections of the journey. This is not a reason for me to not back LTNs but it seems a very necessary area of improvment for them to work.
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
Seems TFL and HMG have now upset the RMT.
How resilient is the LTN network to tube and train strikes?
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sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
Its going to get worse, we just don't have the capacity on the roads and the only answer to this and people who really need the car to get around is to have less traffic. I hope this extra money will be well spent, LTNs are only part of a solution.
Absolutely, that's my point. So if all necessary drivers are on the main road - cabs, workmen, delivery, carers, etc - then bus lanes need improving. We're not going to eradicate driving completely as there's still a need for it but public transport needs to be made as efficient and accessible as possible.
And speaking of only part of the solution, there are so many things off the road that need looking at. For example flexible working. One of my main problems with public transport in rush hour is that I cannot get to work on time if even a small amount of time is added to my journey. Yet my employer is only obliged to consider flexible working, which means it's a no from him and a struggle for me.
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
It's not just the necessary drivers that are on the road though. A third of car journeys are less than 2k, half are less than 3k, how much of those journeys are walkable?.
It's not only distance that makes a drive necessary. However I am sure there are still many drivers on the roads who could be on public transport. All the more reason to improve bus routes, flexible working, accessibility, etc.
Torpid Scorpion
Basket case
This is accurate, however there is a small matter of degree. For example: smashing up street furniture that was put in by local families to make their corner nicer. Celebrating death threats sent to a councillor. Inviting out-of-area rightwing figures who have actively worked against vulnerable people in the past to speak in our community. I just dont see the equivalence you do Gramsci.
Is this the treasury trolling ?
If disabled badges aren’t in anpr - and they aren’t because they are for people not cars the cost could be huge.
i mean does anyone thing a Lambeth commissioned it system would be a good idea ?
Alex
Have they actually said this? I’ve seen that they would consider exemptions and mention that a blue badge is for a person not a car so it would be difficult but haven’t seen them say unworkable.
Brian Taylor
Active Member
Lambeth choose not to add them to the exemptions list they already have, mainly their own vehicles. I doubt it's cost and since other areas have added a nominated car per blue badge holder, I doubt it's unworkable. It's a choice.
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They’ve just improved the A23 between Elephant & Castle to make the bus lanes pretty much continuous and wider in places. They also widened Brixton Hill a while back to help the bus lane and have made most 24hrs.
Central London manage to exempt blue badge holders from the congetsion charge. Southwark have managed to make a blue badge exemption. This is one of the points on which they are being taken to court.
Torpid Scorpion
Basket case
Ive raised this with my ward councillors and they've been sympathetic but noncommittal. They should be pressed on this. Would be so much better if the deeply concerned were organising to push things like this, as opposed to ‘bin it’ ism.
snowy_again
Slush
It’s Gilligan getting the budget he asked for to deliver a govt strategy that has cross party support.
I wonder what it means - expanding the areas covered? The press release is vague.
snowy_again
Slush
But I had almost completely forgotten about the existence of One Lambeth friend Shaun Bailey - so yes, I guess after the conservative mayoral candidate runs on a platform of ULEZ and LTN removal and loses, his party putting in an additional £100m for more London LTNs must vex Shaun.
chowce5382
Active Member
We tried this but there is also an issue about being timed out and therefore precluded from taking any legal action. All the council needs to do is say that they’ll think about it and then time you out so you can’t compel them through the court system then they can just do nothing and you’ve lost any legal right to compel. Our council didn’t even get to the point of saying they would think about it. Given this is also only one very small part of their obligations under the Act there was very little choice apart from court action. The only other way through would be to wait on the council remedying all of the issues related to vulnerable people when they had already said on numerous occasions that they either couldn’t or wouldn’t.
Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
‘But what does seem quite clear is that in a bad year for Labour, cycle schemes saved or won votes for us, not lost them. And that if there was any “controversy”, it worked largely in our favour.’
www.theguardian.com
The evidence is in: low-traffic neighbourhoods are popular
The London election proves that measures to make streets safer are a vote-winner, says a former Labour leader of Ealing council
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Unfortunately though, the Labour run Ealing council already took out one of their LTNs and seem to be planning to do the same for the rest as well.‘But what does seem quite clear is that in a bad year for Labour, cycle schemes saved or won votes for us, not lost them. And that if there was any “controversy”, it worked largely in our favour.’
The evidence is in: low-traffic neighbourhoods are popular
The London election proves that measures to make streets safer are a vote-winner, says a former Labour leader of Ealing council
Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
Yes that’s referred to in the article, which I guess is partly why the author has written it.
sleaterkinney
Well-Known Member
It's probably why One Lambeth are trying to diversify into more areas than just the LTN, it's not a vote winner.‘But what does seem quite clear is that in a bad year for Labour, cycle schemes saved or won votes for us, not lost them. And that if there was any “controversy”, it worked largely in our favour.’
The evidence is in: low-traffic neighbourhoods are popular
The London election proves that measures to make streets safer are a vote-winner, says a former Labour leader of Ealing council
teuchter
je suis teuchter
Yes - it just seems a bad example to use, because yes the labour vote did ok there, but that's in the context of a labour council that seems willing to dump the LTNs, which seems to undermine his point.
Of course it's still true to say that the Mayoral vote did fine, with a Mayor committed to continuing LTNs etc, that several councils that are sticking with their LTNs also did fine, and that no specifically anti-LTN candidates got a significant number of votes.
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