Blade Runner 2049

[8ball]

Gah...

That said (and I agree with the main thrust of what you say), I've been pondering kabbes' comments on the film. I think in a film that is covering so much ground we'll all find things we do and don't like.

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For me, the clunkiest bit was the brief bringing back of Rachael. She was really 'uncanny valley'. And was really brutally and dispassionately dispatched in a way that jarred a bit for me.

I don't agree with kabbes that all the female characters were victims, but the most extreme denial of agency seemed reserved for female characters...

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the other noteworthy case being the unfortunate 'newborn' that was dispatched in Leto's pond-lair.

I expect this is a film I'll see a few more times, and I was def blown away by the visuals and sound design and will probably question more elements of it on repeat viewings. I thought it was a great piece of cinema, but I'm interested in the perspectives of those who reacted to certain elements differently to me.

 

[krtek a houby]

That said (and I agree with the main thrust of what you say), I've been pondering kabbes' comments on the film. I think in a film that is covering so much ground we'll all find things we do and don't like. For me, the clunkiest bit was the brief bringing back of Rachael. She was really 'uncanny valley'. And was really brutally and dispassionately dispatched in a way that jarred a bit for me. I don't agree with kabbes that all the female characters were victims, but the most extreme denial of agency seemed reserved for female characters, the other noteworthy case being the unfortunate 'newborn' that was dispatched in Leto's pond-lair.

I expect this is a film I'll see a few more times, and I was def blown away by the visuals and sound design and will probably question more elements of it on repeat viewings. I thought it was a great piece of cinema, but I'm interested in the perspectives of those who reacted to certain elements differently to me.

Spoilers, mate

 

[8ball]

Spoilers, mate

Shit! Is this the 'avoid spoilers' thread? I was *so* careful to avoid spoilers myself that I figured no one avoiding them would go on a thread like this.

(edit) ok, I've added some spoiler code to what I said before...

 

[krtek a houby]

Shit! Is this the 'avoid spoilers' thread? I was *so* careful to avoid spoilers myself that I figured no one avoiding them would go on a thread like this.

Just being careful, like. I unsubscribed to the thread (before I'd seen the film) because someone mentioned

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that K is a replicant and even if it was revealed at the start it still took away a little for me

Film is still sinking in. Probably will end up owning it eventually. I just hope there isn't a sequel.

 

[8ball]

Yeah, I hope they stop it now too.
Well, unless they totally do another awesome one...

 

[Doctor Carrot]

That said (and I agree with the main thrust of what you say), I've been pondering kabbes' comments on the film. I think in a film that is covering so much ground we'll all find things we do and don't like. For me, the clunkiest bit was the brief bringing back of Rachael. She was really 'uncanny valley'. And was really brutally and dispassionately dispatched in a way that jarred a bit for me. I don't agree with kabbes that all the female characters were victims, but the most extreme denial of agency seemed reserved for female characters, the other noteworthy case being the unfortunate 'newborn' that was dispatched in Leto's pond-lair.

Absolutely, it covered so much ground and it covers more the more I think about it. I do take what you're saying about

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how she was brutally and dispassionately dispatched

but I just can't go down the route of 'women had it worse.'

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take the scene where the people on that rubbish heap are blown to pieces by a drone, casually carried out by luv while she's getting her nails done

That is an incredible scene because of what it's saying about how things are now. The victims of contemporary capitalism live on rubbish dumps, out the way in far away places and they're callously and casually blown to bits by people miles away with barely a second thought because, well, who gives a fuck about them? They just live on rubbish. How many were killed in that scene? 15? 20? Did that jar you in the same way? It didn't jar me but it certainly struck me with the point it's making, we should've been extremely jarred by that. As far as I can see all the people killed in that scene were men, helpless victims with no agency killed callously by a woman miles away who's not even human in the conventional sense. So the person doing that is dehumanised (that thought actually just occurred to me whilst writing this) and female.

So while I think it's interesting a worthy to discuss the gender roles, depictions, implications etc I don't think it for reasons of 'Bladerunner is bad because it depicts women poorly.' So many people are victims without agency in the film because, as I said, it's meant to hold up a mirror to the contemporary world. In fact I'd argue it does so more effectively than the first. Rarely has a film cooked in my head for this long.

I expect this is a film I'll see a few more times, and I was def blown away by the visuals and sound design and will probably question more elements of it on repeat viewings. I thought it was a great piece of cinema, but I'm interested in the perspectives of those who reacted to certain elements differently to me.

I've seen it twice because the visuals alone make it an amazing experience. I'm debating seeing it a third time before it's run at the cinema ends.

 

[kabbes]

That you would have preferred Blade Runner to be a fairytale where everyone lived happilly ever after & nothing bad happened to anyone.

Whatever the hell gave you that idea?

You are a very bizarre person, krtek.

 

[krtek a houby]

Whatever the hell gave you that idea?

You are a very bizarre person, krtek.

Very. So; in a film where most people are victims and the future is grim - where society (through the machinations of corportatism)treat people as commodities - how do you think it should have turned out?

 

[kabbes]

Very. So; in a film where most people are victims and the future is grim - where society (through the machinations of corportatism)treat people as commodities - how do you think it should have turned out?

“Most people” victims? No, all women and some men, the latter of whom the story was built around. There are plenty of unmarked male non-victims.

The story should have turned out just as it did. Nothing wrong with the way it turned out, other than a bit of overblown nonsense involving Deckard and a plot line that made no sense.

 

[krtek a houby]

“Most people” victims? No, all women and some men, the latter of whom the story was built around. There are plenty of unmarked male non-victims.

The story should have turned out just as it did. Nothing wrong with the way it turned out, other than a bit of overblown nonsense involving Deckard and a plot line that made no sense.

I kinda like that

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Deckard was left until the last third of the film - the plot line making no sense; do you mean the daughter who,I guess, was a human/replicant hybrid?

 

[kabbes]

The plot line made no sense in that the whole motivation of the cartoon bad guy made no sense. His aims were better served by the statue quo than by the thing he was trying to achieve. Did you read the thing I linked to earlier? It explained thus.

 

[krtek a houby]

The plot line made no sense in that the whole motivation of the cartoon bad guy made no sense. His aims were better served by the statue quo than by the thing he was trying to achieve. Did you read the thing I linked to earlier? It explained thus.

Must have missed the link, sorry. Tends to be that messiah complex/meglomanical villains oft have lofty plans that don't quite add up on reflection...

 

[kabbes]

Must have missed the link, sorry. Tends to be that messiah complex/meglomanical villains oft have lofty plans that don't quite add up on reflection...

In badly written stories, yeah. In well written stories, not so much.

 

[krtek a houby]

In badly written stories, yeah. In well written stories, not so much.

Finding it a bit hard to follow your train of thought on this film. You don't think it's well written?

 

[Gromit]

In badly written stories, yeah. In well written stories, not so much.

But not in real life of course...

 

[kabbes]

Finding it a bit hard to follow your train of thought on this film. You don't think it's well written?

Not tremendously so, no. Doesn’t stop it being sumptuously shot or enjoyable to watch. Doesn’t stop the acting being really good. Doesn’t stop many (but by not means all) of the characters being interesting. Doesn’t mean it is badly written either (my earlier comment applying to generic writing, rather than this specific film). Doesn’t mean there weren’t many positive things to take from it. But I don’t think its writing is its strong point.

It had a terrible plot that made no sense, for a start.

 

[krtek a houby]

Not tremendously so, no. Doesn’t stop it being sumptuously shot or enjoyable to watch. Doesn’t stop the acting being really good. Doesn’t stop many (but by not means all) of the characters being interesting. Doesn’t mean it is badly written either (my earlier comment applying to generic writing, rather than this specific film). Doesn’t mean there weren’t many positive things to take from it. But I don’t think its writing is its strong point.

It had a terrible plot that made no sense, for a start.

It's a detective story. It's no Chinatown but I found it reasonably linear. Then again, I was swept away by the visuals and score - might have to watch it again. And again...

 

[kabbes]

It's a detective story. It's no Chinatown but I found it reasonably linear. Then again, I was swept away by the visuals and score - might have to watch it again. And again...

It’s not a very good detective story. Without all its non-story good stuff, this fact would be laid bare.

 

[krtek a houby]

It’s not a very good detective story. Without all its non-story good stuff, this fact would be laid bare.

Ach, in that case, you could say the same of the first film. Detective hunts down escaped felons etc...

 

[kabbes]

Ach, in that case, you could say the same of the first film. Detective hunts down escaped felons etc...

Well it’s kind of true that the original is brilliant but definitely well flawed. But its story made perfect sense in and of itself. Motivations were clear and internally consistent. It was well written in that way, if appallingly paced.

 

[8ball]

Well it’s kind of true that the original is brilliant but definitely well flawed. But its story made perfect sense in and of itself. Motivations were clear and internally consistent. It was well written in that way, if appallingly paced.

I tend to think of it as 'weirdly paced'.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

But not in real life of course...

Real life IS a badly written story....

 

[micheal jack]

Despite the Blade Runner 2049 movie, what I really admire is the Black Leather Coat looking so good. I'm trying to find an exact match. If anyone could help me out with this..?

 

[editor]

Despite the Blade Runner 2049 movie, what I really admire is the Black Leather Coat looking so good. I'm trying to find an exact match. If anyone could help me out with this..?

And just before he "discovers" where he can buy that coat, I'm going to ban him. But I thought you'd lie to see the coat.

 

[Gromit]

And just before he "discovers" where he can buy that coat, I'm going to ban him. But I thought you'd lie to see the coat.

It's worth a discussion actually.
The leather coat he wears in the film isn't leather. Props department made it from cotton and paint sprayed it n stuf to look like leather.

Also it wouldn't have been real in the Bladerunner universe as live animals are rarer than rocking horse shit.

Lots of people trying to copy his coat. Most of them look really shit. Shiny yucky leather.

 

[Beats & Pieces]

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[seventh bullet]

Spoiler tag?

 

[Beats & Pieces]

Spoiler tag?

Sorry - edited as requested.

 

[Crispy]

Far more miniature work in this than I thought

 

[donkyboy]

finished this this morning. started watching it late last night, but got paast midnight and couldn't stay awake.

Enjoyed it. Great visuals. Nice score. Shame it didn't do well at the box office. Would have loved for it to have been another 30 minutes longer. Run time no issue for me.