Black metal that is not politically dodge

[ManchesterBeth]

But still no evidence of them being far right or racist. None. The interview you quoted above, good find yes, but isn't he at pains to seperate themselves from fascism, the nazis and extreme communism? So where is the far right bit?

Uh, that whole passage has an undercurrent of racial purity underlying it. It's quite obvious. As a coloured person what would you think of a declaration like this?

If we are not to take care of our own, surely we are forsaking our very existence?!”

It's tantamount to the argument that I here far right UKIP loons trot out on a daily basis.

Now you can say that statement doesn't sufficiently qualify as mealy-mouthed apologism for some pretty abhorrent views. I'm willing to consider your point. But isn't it problematic on its own grounds? Culture is rarely pure and static. Might as well demonise asian and caribbean immigrants for invading England and polluting pure English ways. I mean, ultimately that's where this rhetoric leads...

 

[ManchesterBeth]

As an example, I'm a Turkish folk percussionist. For me to say that the rhythms I play are pure turkish rhythms would be a great and frankly racist disservice to the Kurdish, Greek, Armenian, Laz, Persian, Syrian and Iraqi (to name a few) people who have shaped the anatolian/turkish language folk tradition.

He hypostatises a pure English tradition built around the nation that culminates in frankly racist lyrics. There is no fucking irony. None. Zilch. That's what is utterly detestable. There is a difference between acknowledging your nationality and culture (which we all must do to an extent) and being a nationalist tied to the ideals of the nation state. When Marx and Engels said that the workers have no country, this is what they were referring to — the nation state. In this regard nationalism on all grounds should be opposed, be it romantic or more overtly far right.

Insidious, all of it.

 

[ManchesterBeth]

Anyway their music is shite, Derivative, unimaginative, tonally boring, nowhere near enough dissonance, lacking a sufficient amount of experimental aesthetics, be it noise, musique concrete, free jazz etc. It's also produced badly for the sake of bad production. Pozeur rubbish, all of it.

 

[ManchesterBeth]

Uh, that whole passage has an undercurrent of racial purity underlying it. It's quite obvious. As a coloured person what would you think of a declaration like this?



It's tantamount to the argument that I here far right UKIP loons trot out on a daily basis.

Now you can say that statement doesn't sufficiently qualify as mealy-mouthed apologism for some pretty abhorrent views. I'm willing to consider your point. But isn't it problematic on its own grounds? Culture is rarely pure and static. Might as well demonise asian and caribbean immigrants for invading England and polluting pure English ways. I mean, ultimately that's where this rhetoric leads...

I take it you've missed this post on page 5 of the thread, Mercyun? read This Drivel

I'd like you to justify how that isn't racist and just spiritualist buffoonery. Go on then.

 

[Chick Webb]

Far right you say? Racist? The drummer just got married - to an Iranian woman. Hardly the actions of a white supremacist.

That twat who played on the first album, the nazi? Fired years ago.

I have every album by them so far and not one song can be even remotely seen as right wing, or racist, or anything like that at all. Basically every song they've done is either history or spirituality. ..or instrumental!

Chick - what was said in this interview that's "far right" then? because I don't recall them ever saying anything like that in print.

Who someone shags/marries is not a good indication of whether they are a nazi/white supremacist or not.

The interview was vague about a lot of things. I remember thinking the guy's comments on Ukraine could charitably be described uneducated, but given that they are a band who are supposed to be interested in politics the comments were more suspicious to me and likely to be inspired by far right sympathies.

I was also annoyed by the interviewer's attitude of "Winterfylleth's subject matter and opinions might be controversial, but at least they concern things that are real". What, satan and vikings and motorbikes aren't real now?

 

[ManchesterBeth]

Chick Webb all the lyrics to the first album can be found here

Make your own mind up.

 

[Mercyun]

Uh, that whole passage has an undercurrent of racial purity underlying it. It's quite obvious. As a coloured person what would you think of a declaration like this?

My Gf is part black, she has no problems with it. I am very sensitive to racism and will always call offenders out on it. So "coloured" is the term used now eh, how 1970s.

I'm really not seeing anything "far right" in those lyrics, seems just the usual Anglo Saxon migration era stuff. A culture that certainly should be understood and remembered, as it created "England" as we know it today. I'm not talking about politics, just the land and the history.

So far then we've seen that they like England...not exactly Graveland are they?

 

[Mercyun]

Interested if you guys like Chthonic? Would they not fall into your nationalist pitfall?

 

[butchersapron]

You sound like a dodgy racist lying cunt tbh

 

[Mercyun]

and you sound like a bitter Irishman with a moniker like that mate, but I'm not making that assumption. You could be anyone! I might even agree with your views even if you weren't so hostile and bigoted, but you'd never know would you, seeing as you sound so prejudiced eh?

 

[butchersapron]

and you sound like a bitter Irishman with a moniker like that mate, but I'm not making that assumption. You could be anyone! I might even agree with your views even if you weren't so hostile and bigoted, but you'd never know would you, seeing as you sound so prejudiced eh?

I am making that assumption you rune throwing fool.

Why are you lot like this btw?

 

[Chick Webb]

Chick Webb all the lyrics to the first album can be found here

Make your own mind up.

That didn't take long! Poor old England groaning under the weight of some sort of modern plague...
What wise old Saxon ways are they talking about? We had very wise old laws in Ireland in ancient times. We were so wise that the exact punishment to be visited upon chickens for marauding in vegetable patches was codified. I'm going to write a song about that in my Celtic metal band.

 

[Mercyun]

I am making that assumption you rune throwing fool.

Why are you lot like this btw?

You lot? You sound exactly like the people you say you despise. What lot am I? I dared to question the blind party line in this thread and attempt to add a bit of balance, so I'm part of a lot?

 

[butchersapron]

You lot? You sound exactly like the people you say you despise. What lot am I? I dared to question the blind party line in this thread and attempt to add a bit of balance, so I'm part of a lot?

Dared, fuck off Runes,let your mum wash your trousers - lest i hexx ye.

Prat

 

[Chick Webb]

You lot? You sound exactly like the people you say you despise. What lot am I? I dared to question the blind party line in this thread and attempt to add a bit of balance, so I'm part of a lot?

I was thinking the same thing. What do you mean, "you people", Butchers?

But you are incorrect if you think there is a party line on everything around here. Ukraine is a good example actually.

 

[Mercyun]

I was thinking the same thing. What do you mean, "you people", Butchers?

But you are incorrect if you think there is a party line on everything around here. Ukraine is a good example actually.

Fair enough. At least you're up for civil debate.

Butcher's Apron Strings is a fucking awesome Carcass song, and the flag it refers to is nothing to do with me. I wouldn't wipe my arse on that rag.

The angry young man using that name obviously has a chip on his shoulder and is anti-English. Fair enough, it's an open forum, but seems pretty bigoted to me.

BA - dude I'm 44 and do my own washing ta. What's all this runes business anyway?

 

[butchersapron]

You lot? You sound exactly like the people you say you despise. What lot am I? I dared to question the blind party line in this thread and attempt to add a bit of balance, so I'm part of a lot?

Far right knobheads.

 

[AlbionEternal]

Winterfylleth are 100% nazi scum. Wodensthrone are no better. Here's the current drummer from Winterfylleth proving how he's definitely not a Nazi.

Loads more where that came from.View attachment 42789

You do know this guy's of mixed origin right? I'm guessing he has a part Sikh background, but I could be wrong. It's hilarious to me how sensitive you cucks are, anything involving English heritage, English pride and you brand it Nazi. It disgusts me that it is more acceptable to wear a t-shirt with a print of Che Guevara, a child murdering rapist and psychopath, than it is to wear a t shirt with a picture of say Oswald Mosley. It fills me with pride that some of the most popular UK black metal bands are pro-English and not full of self loathing and apathy like so many of the English today.

 

[Humberto]

You do know this guy's of mixed origin right? I'm guessing he has a part Sikh background, but I could be wrong. It's hilarious to me how sensitive you cucks are, anything involving English heritage, English pride and you brand it Nazi. It disgusts me that it is more acceptable to wear a t-shirt with a print of Che Guevara, a child murdering rapist and psychopath, than it is to wear a t shirt with a picture of say Oswald Mosley. It fills me with pride that some of the most popular UK black metal bands are pro-English and not full of self loathing and apathy like so many of the English today.

bye then

 

[NoXion]

You do know this guy's of mixed origin right? I'm guessing he has a part Sikh background, but I could be wrong. It's hilarious to me how sensitive you cucks are, anything involving English heritage, English pride and you brand it Nazi. It disgusts me that it is more acceptable to wear a t-shirt with a print of Che Guevara, a child murdering rapist and psychopath, than it is to wear a t shirt with a picture of say Oswald Mosley. It fills me with pride that some of the most popular UK black metal bands are pro-English and not full of self loathing and apathy like so many of the English today.

Fascist shithead. Fuck off.

 

[xenon]

You do know this guy's of mixed origin right? I'm guessing he has a part Sikh background, but I could be wrong. It's hilarious to me how sensitive you cucks are, anything involving English heritage, English pride and you brand it Nazi. It disgusts me that it is more acceptable to wear a t-shirt with a print of Che Guevara, a child murdering rapist and psychopath, than it is to wear a t shirt with a picture of say Oswald Mosley. It fills me with pride that some of the most popular UK black metal bands are pro-English and not full of self loathing and apathy like so many of the English today.

Fuck off metal doesn't need you, the English don't need you.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Enoch would never have said "cuck".

 

[killer b]

This thread is like flypaper for nazis. Great stuff.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

There's a chapter in this Music at the Extremes: Essays on Sounds Outside the Mainstream: Amazon.co.uk: Scott A. Wilson: 9780786494507: Books

about some US black metal bands from the Pacific North West who are more about logging, environmental devastation etc than the right wing stuff (though I accept the two are not mutually exclusive). I'd be meaning to check them out so will try and post a link here when I get a sec.

 

[ouchmonkey]

That'll be Wolves in the Throne Room, Agalloch and the like I expect

 

[Black Halo]

Only saw this thread, delighted to see Altar of Plagues mentioned within three posts

 

[xenon]

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[Fozzie Bear]

That'll be Wolves in the Throne Room, Agalloch and the like I expect

Yeah I think it probably is.

Are they any good? Fash/Not Fash?

 

[rutabowa]

this thread is being reformatted as a daytime quiz show on channel 5 you know.

 

[ouchmonkey]

Yeah I think it probably is.

Are they any good? Fash/Not Fash?

I like them both, as these things go (not massively my thing, I dabble)
not fash much more pagan earth worship type thing
last Wolves records was all synths almost like Tangerine Dream
Agalloch mostly sound like Ulver's first record, BM + folky bits, some of it enjoyably preposterous some of it almost post rock
'The white' which is their most folky effort and vaguely based on The Wickerman is one I like a lot