billionaire nonce cult leader Sia Baba dies ruining his prophecy re his death

[Louloubelle]

This insanely wealthy guru with a very great appreciation for adolescent boys had prophecised that he would die aged 96 but died today aged just 85.

His legacy is marred by many victim accounts of sexual abuse, all from adolescent boys.

One of my neighbours, a rather privileged and influential woman, is a follower of his and come across as a typically deranged cult member. I have to bite my tongue every time she tries to engage me in a conversation about him.

Anyway, expect an unholy fight over his multi-billion $ legacy and hopefully his passing means that fewer boys will end up getting molested.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...riggers-fight-for-his-5.5-billion-empire.html

 

[Gingerman]

As L. Ron Hubbard said "If you want to get rich, you start a religion."

 

[purves grundy]

There was a mini-scandal in Nepal a few weeks ago when a local mag ripped his claims of divinity to shreds.

Then he went and died

 

[ericjarvis]

I'm going to wait three days before I comment. Better safe than sorry.

 

[twentythreedom]

It's amazing quite how often you see Sai Baba's portrait in shops, homes, businesses all over India. And it's not unusual to see it here and there in the UK too. He was obviously totally convincing and genuine as fair as many millions of people are concerned.

tbh I'd be much more likely to heed the words of some crazy Sadhu smoking chillums on the ghats in Varanasi than some weirdo nonce conjourer like Sai Baba. But each to their own, and all that.

 

[MellySingsDoom]

He looked a bit like our own favourite noncemaster, Gary Glitter. Scary enough for anyone. I hope his vast fortune is used to compensate those who he sexually and otherwise abused. They should come first before his immediate family or the Indian state.

 

[pk]

I thought the thread was about this guy:

 

[pk]

As L. Ron Hubbard said "If you want to get rich, you start a religion."

Another paedophile apparently. Still, at least he died screaming.

 

[dylans]

I hope he is reincarnated as a dirt poor indian farmer and spends his next life being ripped of by fraudulent holy men who peddle superstitious trinkets and take his last rupees in exchange for pockets full of holy ash

 

[tarannau]

Shame that. On the plus side, I'll be able to buy the more conveniently available Satya Nag Champa incense without quite the same guilt and direct contribution to frizzy haired charlanonces.

 

[dylans]

What is truly shocking is not only that he raped little boys but that some of his follower attempted to defend this as acceptable spiritual behaviour. Worse they argue that raping boys is a sign of his superior spiritual nature. I kid you not.

First of all, I believe that Sathya Sai Baba is an Avatar, a full incarnation of God - “the most powerful incarnation of God ever to come to the Earth” (as Anandamoyi Ma described Sai Baba). AND, from what I’ve read and heard, I’m inclined to think some of the allegations about Baba are probably true: it appears likely to me that He has occasionally had sexually intimate interactions with devotees. God has given me the grace to be able to see that these two ideas are not necessarily in contradiction,

One legitimate reason for sexual contact between a Master and devotee is the removal of sexual karma from a devotee’s previous incarnation - and I believe this is probably the underlying reason for most of Baba’s tantric work. As an Avatar, Sai Baba has come only to set us free; there could be no trace of selfish or sexual desire in Him whatsoever. And yet He is perfectly capable of functioning in a sexual way, if that is the most efficient way to set us free from our karma.
Surely, if Sai Baba has interacted with any of His devotees in a sexual way, it has been only a similar gift of Love and grace - all the more so since Baba knows the misinterpretation of such actions will put His global reputation at risk. Yet He does exactly what is needed to set His devotees free, no matter what the damage might be to His reputation. To my mind, that is the mark of a truly great Master.

Given that there are also allegations of violence including murder against him. I assume some duped idiot will be along to defend that too.

http://www.saibaba-x.org.uk/6/Defence_of_Sai_Baba_sexual_abuses.htm

One more thing. There are questions on sites critical of Sai Baba such as the following that raise the possibility that he has been deliberately kept on life support for some time in order to pull the plug today (Easter) in order to continue the myth of his divinity into the future and to keep the cash cow milking. If so expect some other charlaton to appear soon and claim to be the risen him.

The medical report states Cardio-respiratory failure. Now that is very neutral medical terminology, but what caused this breathing and heart failure? This happens if one is taken off vital life support. So did he jump or was he pushed? Your guess is as good as mine… those who really know will be tighter than clams if it was a deliberate act by those in charge. If he jumped, then it fitted in extremely well with all the massive planning of the authorities for a big screen send-off, new helicopter pads for VIPs all preparing to descend just today! A miracle of timing from Vishnu Baba, reclining on his serpent bed on the sea of milk? If there is any body one cannot trust in India (rhetorical) then it is certainly the Sathya Sai Central Trust and their minions!

As I suspected in my blog yesterday, his death is announced on the day that it is widely believed (imaginatively) that Jesus was resurrected – Easter Sunday – suspecting those in power around him to have kept him on support so they could disconnect him on just this day. It seems to make a bigger splash than the crashing fact that he has died and ‘prematurely’ (according to himself). However, he has died and no resurrection is reported! Still, one should not be surprised if some fantasists claim to have seen him risen and in the flesh… there are plenty of lunatics among the indoctrinated and deluded believers in his self-proclaimed divinity and even his most bizarre and beyond-all-credibility miracle

http://robertpriddy.wordpress.com/

The Times of India even reported that The Andhra Pradesh government had set up huge screens and prepared a sports stadium complete with VIP helipads ahead of his announced death

PUTTAPARTHI: The Andhra Pradesh government stepped up security at Puttaparthi and its neighbouring areas on Friday.

Police reinforcement was rushed in and giant LCD screens put up at vantage points in Puttaparthi, Kothacheruvu and nearby villages. Barricades were set up in and around the super-speciality hospital where Sathya Sai Baba is being treated. Two helipads are being constructed at feverish pace at a private airport nearby to allow VVIPs to land. The Hill view stadium in the town, with a capacity of 50,000, is also being readied.

Top state government sources told TOI that the decision to remove the ventilator will have to be taken by members of the Sathya Sai Central Trust. "We will only maintain law and order and see that everything goes on smoothly. We will not bell the cat," a top government official told TOI.

The Trust members went into a huddle at the hospital to discuss the next course of action. One of the members proposed that they announce Baba had attained 'sajeeva samadhi' (burial while still alive), said sources. But the proposal was shot down keeping in view the likely complications it could cause. Trust members seem clueless on how to deal with the inevitable, a source told TOI.

http://articles.timesofindia.indiat...6029_1_puttaparthi-sai-baba-hill-view-stadium

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

There was probably a time when the guy did some good. He was operating a charity at the time that the British partitioned India.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Likely the first hospital in the area, 1954

This isn't to excuse what he did, but it makes you wonder if perhaps he changed as he came into great wealth and influence.

 

[Louloubelle]

Johnny

The guy undoubtedly spent a lot of money on hospitals, schools and orphanages however, as you must be aware, philanthropy in poor countries, especially re the construction of schools and orphanages, is something that child abusers often get involved with. If you have a sexual interest in children and deep pockets then it makes a lot of sense to build schools and orphanages and to portray yourself as some kind of saint, as this provides you with easy access to vulnerable children and a social milieu in which your actions are fairly likely to be covered up by sycophantic assistants.

Philanthropic acts in this respect have become so associated with child abuse that the shadow of suspicion is likely to fall on good, genuinely caring people who construct school and orphanages. Bit like being a scout leader or a priest, the acts of noncery are so common for people in such positions that good people who are scout leaders feel that they have to point out that they are not child abusers.

 

[dylans]

Johnny

The guy undoubtedly spent a lot of money on hospitals, schools and orphanages however, as you must be aware, philanthropy in poor countries, especially re the construction of schools and orphanages, is something that child abusers often get involved with. If you have a sexual interest in children and deep pockets then it makes a lot of sense to build schools and orphanages and to portray yourself as some kind of saint, as this provides you with easy access to vulnerable children and a social milieu in which your actions are fairly likely to be covered up by sycophantic assistants.

Philanthropic acts in this respect have become so associated with child abuse that the shadow of suspicion is likely to fall on good, genuinely caring people who construct school and orphanages. Bit like being a scout leader or a priest, the acts of noncery are so common for people in such positions that good people who are scout leaders feel that they have to point out that they are not child abusers.

I think it also allowed him to build a very strong system of political patronage and protection around himself. He built relationships with the highest political and military figures within the Indian establishment.

 

[Captain Hurrah]

This isn't to excuse what he did, but it makes you wonder if perhaps he changed as he came into great wealth and influence.

Well we can speculate, but the nonce-motives would have been there all along, I think, even if he was poor. Just his wealth, social standing and influence (and with it protection) made his opportunities to nonce, easier.

 

[Louloubelle]

I think it also allowed him to build a very strong system of political patronage and protection around himself. He built relationships with the highest political and military figures within the Indian establishment.

yes he did

fairly typical of how predatory cult leaders operate

 

[Louloubelle]

What is truly shocking is not only that he raped little boys but that some of his follower attempted to defend this as acceptable spiritual behaviour. Worse they argue that raping boys is a sign of his superior spiritual nature. I kid you not.

Yeah

Truly sickening

The old chestnut about cleansing young men / women/ children of bad karma by molesting and raping them.

And yet people really do believe this shit.

*simmers with rage*

 

[Athos]

There was probably a time when the guy did some good. He was operating a charity at the time that the British partitioned India.

Dr Shipman cured my sore throat.

 

[Captain Hurrah]

I know it's a cliche of that part of the world, but did you know of any ex-pat pervs in Cam, when you were there dylans?

 

[dylans]

I know it's a cliche of that part of the world, but did you know of any ex-pat pervs in Cam, when you were there dylans?

In Cambodia ? The pedo sex trade is pretty underground, despite cliched media claims to the contrary and as would be expected, it is totally despised by the expat community as a whole. I never knew anyone there who wouldn't hesitate to give anyone involved with kids a good kicking or to shop them to the police without hesitation. Cambodian expat scene is pretty macho and that stuff is just not tolerated. Adult prostitution of course is massive but that's another issue entirely

Cambodian law is also (again despite media claims to the contrary) pretty strong these days (as long as you are not in the elite that is) and anyone engaging in underage sex can expect serious jail time. Some of these scumbags are serving 20 years+ and Cambodian jails are not nice. Foreign pedos do exist but not to the extent that people here believe and they operate in a very underground manner. No bars in PP allow underage prostitution and someone looking for that kind of thing would have to search in some unsavoury places to find it.

The myth of kiddy brothels on every corner is just that, a myth. Of course Cambodia is a very poor country with a lot of corruption and a lot of very desperate people so anyone with money can find anything they want if they search for it so it does happen. The typical way a kiddy sex tourist goes about things is to visit the provinces and make arrangements with very very poor families to "adopt" their daughters etc. This, rather than kids in brothels is the usual way it goes on. Western pedos make good poster boy monsters for the various NGOs in the country but the vast majority of child abuse there is domestic and within families. Uncles raping nieces etc. This all the evidence suggests is endemic.

That said there were a few people who I knew who were later exposed as pedos. Some of them really nasty. I knew a bar owner, a german guy called Peter, who on the outside was perfectly respectable and ran a perfectly respectable bar/restaurant on the riveride. He was pretty well liked and, we all thought, a nice guy. One day his picture was all over the papers. He and some other German guy had been running a really nasty porn production business involving kids. He got 20 years and is still rotting in jail I guess.

I also knew Paul Gadds (Gary Glitters) ex landlord pretty well. He was a low level khmer cop who showed me pics of him and Glitter posing together and said he was good friends with him. Never saw anything of Gadd himself though the place was overrun by tabloid journalists looking for him for a few months. It should also be pointed out that despite the hype and despite him getting deported from Cambodia, no charges for any crime were ever filed against him in Cambodia.If they had he would have faced serious jail time.He was kicked out for being "undesirable" which I guess is fair enough. There are lots of faults with the Cambodian judicial system but they seem to have taken child sex tourism pretty seriously in recent years. They have new laws and the laws have teeth and they just love to catch foreigners. I think a foreign pedophile would have to be crazy to get involved with underage kids in Cambodia these days

 

[dylans]

Back on topic. It appears he is to be buried (not cremated which I found strange) on Wednesday and is now lying in state where a procession of hypocritical national leaders and VIPs will do their best to continue to sell the horrific superstitious bollocks of his "divinity" to the Indian people. You couldn't make it up.

Bollywood stars, filmmakers and designers joined thousands of devotees in India and abroad in expressing grief at the death of spiritual leader Sathya Sai Baba on Sunday, who died after a prolonged illness in Andhra Pradesh's Puttaparthi town at the age of 85.

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and UPA Chairperson Sonia Gandhi will arrive in Puttaparthi on Tuesday evening to pay their last respects to spiritual leader Sathya Sai Baba. The two leaders would arrive at 4.30 pm, Andhra Pradesh's Major Industries Minister J Geetha Reddy announced.

They use the term "joined" here loosely because while the masses had to wait for hours in the heat, the VIPS were escorted through the back door

As thousands of devotees stood in serpentine queues through the night and early Monday outside Prashanti Nilayam for a last glimpse of Sathya Sai Baba, scores of VIPs, including politicians, celebrities, stars and top officials had the privilege to enter Kulwant Hall through the back door to pay their last respects to the spiritual leader.

The brazen discrimination by the Sai Trust and the high-handed policemen was not confined to VIPs entry into the hall on the sly, but also to their vehicles that were allowed till the iron gates, while devotees had to walk a few kilometres to reach the Nilayam in this pilgrim town, about 150 km from Bangalore.

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/endless-lines-to-pay-last-respects-to-sai-baba-101302

 

[ViolentPanda]

Back on topic. It appears he is to be buried (not cremated which I found strange) on Wednesday and is now lying in state where a procession of hypocritical national leaders and VIPs will do their best to continue to sell the horrific superstitious bollocks of his "divinity" to the Indian people. You couldn't make it up.

You're not nearly cynical enough.

He's being buried so that he can be resurrected, so that a little while after he's buried, his grave can be found open and empty, and some ringer who looks vaguely like a younger version of the Divine One can be announced as the resurrected Sai Baba.

Can't do that from ashes, can you?

 

[dylans]

You're not nearly cynical enough.

He's being buried so that he can be resurrected, so that a little while after he's buried, his grave can be found open and empty, and some ringer who looks vaguely like a younger version of the Divine One can be announced as the resurrected Sai Baba.

Can't do that from ashes, can you?

Yeah I think this is bang on. They waited until Easter to pull the plug. He does claim to have sent Jesus to earth after all.

 

[Idris2002]

You're not nearly cynical enough.

He's being buried so that he can be resurrected, so that a little while after he's buried, his grave can be found open and empty, and some ringer who looks vaguely like a younger version of the Divine One can be announced as the resurrected Sai Baba.

Can't do that from ashes, can you?

Yeah I think this is bang on. They waited until Easter to pull the plug. He does claim to have sent Jesus to earth after all.

It must be terrible to be so cynical.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

What is truly shocking is not only that he raped little boys but that some of his follower attempted to defend this as acceptable spiritual behaviour. Worse they argue that raping boys is a sign of his superior spiritual nature. I kid you not.

I found some of this when I was studying Buddhism. Some the bad behavior of monks was dismissed as part of the process of enlightenment and that testing the limits of behavior was to be expected.

 

[ViolentPanda]

It must be terrible to be so cynical.

Actually, it's oddly comforting.

 

[Mr Smin]

They use the term "joined" here loosely because while the masses had to wait for hours in the heat, the VIPS were escorted through the back door

'had to' in that they still haven't wised up to this divinity bollocks despite their holy man dying on the wrong date and so 'chose to' wait around in the heat for hours.

 

[dylans]

'had to' in that they still haven't wised up to this divinity bollocks despite their holy man dying on the wrong date and so 'chose to' wait around in the heat for hours.

"Had to" in that they are mostly poor and ignorant peasants who are easy prey for manipulative bastards like Baba and the cynical money grabbing politicians who profit from their ignorance

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Johnny

The guy undoubtedly spent a lot of money on hospitals, schools and orphanages however, as you must be aware, philanthropy in poor countries, especially re the construction of schools and orphanages, is something that child abusers often get involved with. If you have a sexual interest in children and deep pockets then it makes a lot of sense to build schools and orphanages and to portray yourself as some kind of saint, as this provides you with easy access to vulnerable children and a social milieu in which your actions are fairly likely to be covered up by sycophantic assistants.

Philanthropic acts in this respect have become so associated with child abuse that the shadow of suspicion is likely to fall on good, genuinely caring people who construct school and orphanages. Bit like being a scout leader or a priest, the acts of noncery are so common for people in such positions that good people who are scout leaders feel that they have to point out that they are not child abusers.

I didn't know that philanthropy was commonly associated with pedophilia in the third world. Does this apply to western philanthropists giving money in the third world, or just to 'native' philanthropists?

It's a dark view of the world to think that most charitable acts toward children are motivated by evil and selfishness. I think it's also possible that as these people become wealthy and cut off from normal life, some begin to give play to impulses or whatever, that might otherwise stay repressed.

In any event, there's no denying that the residents of Puttaparthi were probably happy and relieved to have a hospital when there was none before. However you slice it, the doctors and nurses who worked there, are innocent of the philanthropist's crime, and did good work.