London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
This is not consumer debt it's enabling borrowing. If you don't understand that, I'd encourage you to go away and read a bit before sharing your next piece of wisdom.
Jesus.
Bill and Melinda Gates announce one of the biggest charitable donations in history
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sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
It's not for Bill Gates to decide what "they" do or do not want. His Foundation
has the power power and influence which it should not have.
(As an aside, the triumph of finance in this society is not a healthy development. It means more social surplus is spent on running money-based products. it ruined my mother's life. It means I was made redundant last year and will be made redundant again, there is less expenditure on social need etc etc.)
The Foundation's links with agribusiness are notorious.
Ideas such as:
mean basically forcing independent farmers out of farm production (or extracting more surplus from them within a parasitic agri-business model). They are given loans and financial products to work in other sectors and pay back the layer of money counters at Opportunity International.
Why haven't sixty years' worth of Foundations in Africa and elsewhere promoted "thriving and diversified economies"? They represent certain interests and certain ideas of their capitalist investors.
It's shorthand, editor, Bill Gates uses humans as a means to generate profit, to generate and maintain class division between humans so that some (like him) stay rich and others are forced to bend to their will. He tears apart humanity all the while claiming altruism.
editor
hiraethified
He's actually giving away a vast amount of his wealth, but don't let that stop your rant.
So, what's your practical solutions?
weltweit
Well-Known Member
By my reconing Bill Gates is a significant figure.
And he intends to make a difference with his philanthropic giving.
Good luck to him.
Well you know, why don't you very briefly explain the difference between 'borrowing' and debt?
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
Jazzz, your wittering on page 2 had me in absolute stitches and for that I thank you 
.
As Bees said earlier, $10 billion given away and people still piss and moan. When will you muppets realise that for now this is the system we have, sure it's not great but it is what it is. Begrudging someone for giving $10 billion away to save the lives of millions of children is fucking mental, seriously look at yourself and then punch yourself in the back of the head for moaning about this.
It's like you're saying "He's only saving 8 million or so kids and that's not enough. He should save the lives of 38 million kids and instigate the overthrow of capitalism while he's at it, as he's not doing that he's an evil cunt
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.As Bees said earlier, $10 billion given away and people still piss and moan. When will you muppets realise that for now this is the system we have, sure it's not great but it is what it is. Begrudging someone for giving $10 billion away to save the lives of millions of children is fucking mental, seriously look at yourself and then punch yourself in the back of the head for moaning about this.
It's like you're saying "He's only saving 8 million or so kids and that's not enough. He should save the lives of 38 million kids and instigate the overthrow of capitalism while he's at it, as he's not doing that he's an evil cunt
"
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
Edit: n/m as I have no great desire to get into this anyway
Read about the importance of "microcredit" (small loans) to helping people out of poverty here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grameen_Bank
It is a good idea.
Giles..
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
Between consumer debt and this? Do me a favour, we're not in GCSE class now.
I think you never got out of it. Look, it's very simple. If you give someone money, you give them money. If you give them loans at interest you are giving them debt.
Jazzz, your wittering on page 2 had me in absolute stitches and for that I thank you
As Bees said earlier, $10 billion given away and people still piss and moan. When will you muppets realise that for now this is the system we have, sure it's not great but it is what it is. Begrudging someone for giving $10 billion away to save the lives of millions of children is fucking mental, seriously look at yourself and then punch yourself in the back of the head for moaning about this.
It's like you're saying "He's only saving 8 million or so kids and that's not enough. He should save the lives of 38 million kids and instigate the overthrow of capitalism while he's at it, as he's not doing that he's an evil cunt
He's not the slightest bit interested in saving lives. I proved that earlier in the thread. He wants less Africans. He is donating them chains and poison.
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
editor
hiraethified
No, really
You may not approve of his methods, but to suggest he has no interest in saving lives really is scraping rock bottom.
editor
hiraethified
So you've never, ever needed a short term loan to help you out of a pickle? Or maybe a bit of cash to buy equipment so you can start a business?
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
Why does he want less Africans?
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
The lizards demanded it.
goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
Surely more people means more consumers and hence more people buying Microsoft products. Why is a cull of Africans being demanded by our lizard overlords?
editor
hiraethified
He heard they were making pirate copies of Windows 7 so he wants to cull them to maximise the profits... which he then gives away to charities working in Africa.
Oh, hang on. That can't be right.
innit
c'mon, little life giver
"These members, along with Gates, have given away more than £45 billion since 1996 to causes ranging from health programmes in developing countries to ghetto schools nearer to home."
You're right, they sound like absolute cunts
dylans
overlord of all acorns
Oh god.
If he's successful, this cull could be as effective as the swine flu / swine flu vaccine cull plot. Millions will die!
Not a cull but a pretty cynical attempt to use people in the developing world for drug trials that would be ruled unethical here. Drug trials that will add to the profits of the pharmaceutical companies and not benefit them one bit.
Why else do you think sex workers in Africa and Cambodia sent them packing over the Tenofovir trials?
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
Riiight so money spent on things like family planning (virtually non existent in developing countries) to prevent people having too many children they can barely care for due to financial reasons is a bad thing is it? Family planning that will work towards preventing orphaned children ending up on the streets, yeah that sounds fucking awful, what a cunt Mr gates is eh?
Do you honestly think they're all meeting up and saying "Muahaha, we have all this wealth so we should use it to cull all these pesky, aids ridden darkies" do you honestly believe that? Oh wait you probably do, what with the Illuminati setting their plans in stone for all the world to see
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dylans
overlord of all acorns
Riiight so money spent on things like family planning (virtually non existent in developing countries) to prevent people having too many children they can barely care for due to financial reasons is a bad thing is it? Family planning that will work towards preventing orphaned children ending up on the streets, yeah that sounds fucking awful, what a cunt Mr gates is eh?
Do you honestly think they're all meeting up and saying "Muahaha, we have all this wealth so we should use it to cull all these pesky, aids ridden darkies" do you honestly believe that? Oh wait you probably do, what with the Illuminati setting their plans in stone for all the world to see
No. Drug testing that would leave people in the developing world struggling for years with side effects with no promises of lifelong insurance while the pharmaceutical companies get rich.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
Right so it's all about drug testing then is it?
Your posts about petrol companies and drug trials are a tad misleading, tbf. While they are warranted I think you're going over the top when you say "Gates is a front for big pharma companies" I don't think he is. What he has done is invested in big petrol companies and the drug trial company. What these companies do in the mean time is out of his control I expect. The petrol companies are of course breaking the law in the pollution of the area mentioned in your post and the pharma company you mentioned are obviously behaving highly unethically and should be brought to account, in fact they have doen haven't they? The green left article you linked to mentions a class action suit. Of course all of this behaviour is immoral, but to paint Gates as some kind of anti christ, mass culling arsehole because of the behaviour of some companies he's invested in is way over the top.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
Done a bit more digging on this, wiki was very helpful by outlining criticisms of the foundation. I think they're warranted, he's even made some attempts to address them, albeit rather flimsy ones. I still don't think it warrants chucking the baby out with the bath water though, especially when looking at how much he's given to vaccinating children in developing countries.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
Sorry wrong person. That's Jazz not me.
I haven't painted Gates as the anti christ. I do think however that it is not good enough to say what the pharma companies do is out of the foundations control. The Tenofovir trials were completely supported by the gates foundation. TGF even levelled criticism's of the sex workers in Cambodia, blaming them for cancellation of the trials. All of the conditions of the tenovfovir trials were supported by TGF including the refusal to offer lifelong health insurance to the participants.
"These members, along with Gates, have given away more than £45 billion since 1996 to causes ranging from health programmes in developing countries to ghetto schools nearer to home."
You're right, they sound like absolute cunts
To you they don't. To me, it is quite apparent how two-faced the whole game is, and how they are in the business of screwing Africa over while attempting to seem generous. As I pointed out before, you can tell that because they would spend 100% of their aid on clean water and sanitation, instead of a token percentage.
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