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Barclays/TFL cycle hire scheme in London

teuchter said:
Personally I am looking forward to the first youtube films of people doing stunts on the bikes.
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Christ, I tried when I had one on loan. You can stand on 'em, Superman style, but they're hardly things that will wheely / endo / turn in a circle that's not 15 foot wide.

They even reduced the size of the front basket to stop you putting people in them.
 
snowy_again said:
Christ, I tried when I had one on loan. You can stand on 'em, Superman style, but they're hardly things that will wheely / endo / turn in a circle that's not 15 foot wide.

They even reduced the size of the front basket to stop you putting people in them.
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Someone will manage to do stunts on them, and they will put it on youtube. It's simply nature's way.
 
snowy_again said:
Christ, I tried when I had one on loan. You can stand on 'em, Superman style, but they're hardly things that will wheely / endo / turn in a circle that's not 15 foot wide.

They even reduced the size of the front basket to stop you putting people in them.
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In your opinion from the test bike, how easy would you say it would be to smash off the barclays sign? What was it made of, and how was it attached?
 
skyscraper101 said:
In your opinion from the test bike, how easy would you say it would be to smash off the barclays sign? What was it made of, and how was it attached?
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More to the point, how much will be deducted from your credit card for repairs should you indulde in such a pitiful act of vandalism.
 
JWH said:
No sponsorship = no bikes for everyone else. Fuck off and smash up an actual Barclay's.
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I didn't say I was actually gonna smash one off. I probably won't even bother registering on the system anyway seeing as the bike system doesn't even extend to the far and distant land of Shepherds Bush.

I was just interested to find out how easy it would be for a few anti capitalist types to come along and smash off the 'Barclays' advertising. I gather it would be pretty easy to just respray it whilst it's sat in the dock or something no?

How would TFL know who caused the damage anyway? Surely they can't charge it back the last person who hired it. What's to stop anyone from just coming up to bikes in the docks and just vandalising them after they've been returned safely?

Who accounts for damages? And how do they know if it has been caused by the last user, or someone after. I'm genuinely interested.
 
skyscraper101 said:
I didn't say I was actually gonna smash one off. I probably won't even bother registering on the system anyway seeing as the bike system doesn't even extend to the far and distant land of Shepherds Bush.

I was just interested to find out how easy it would be for a few anti capitalist types to come along and smash off the 'Barclays' advertising. I gather it would be pretty easy to just respray it whilst it's sat in the dock or something no?

How would TFL know who caused the damage anyway? Surely they can't charge it back the last person who hired it. What's to stop anyone from just coming up to bikes in the docks and just vandalising them after they've been returned safely?

Who accounts for damages? And how do they know if it has been caused by the last user, or someone after. I'm genuinely interested.
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Splendid - if a load of peurile knobheads continually vandalise the bikes then the scheme'll soon fold and the trash will be removed from pavements..............
 
Cobbles said:
Splendid - if a load of peurile knobheads continually vandalise the bikes then the scheme'll soon fold and the trash will be removed from pavements..............
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Maybe they should have thought of that before plastering a big corporate banking giant's logo on the back of each bike. Why not do what the French did and have all your sponsors on the docking station area, rather than turning each person hiring a bike into a mobile advert. Just a thought.
 
Woop! Smash the System - X!

Nope, no smashing required. It's a simple laminate on the rear rack and wheel / chain guard thing.

And yes, people with better skillz than me will use them for tricks. However the general design and fork crown (which only permits you to turn to a particular degree) seems to have minimised opportunities for most fun things.
 
So can anyone answer how TFL will be deciding who is responsible for damage if you return a bike in a good condition, and then someone comes along and vandalises it?

Seems a bit unfair to charge it back to the last user. But how could it be proved either way? Who's going to be monitoring these things, and how regularly?
 
I sat on one today. They are heavy but feel good. High handlebars mean you sit upright. The inbuilt lights are wicked. 3 gears. They look alright and I really hope it works

6000 bikes, 400 docking stations every 300-400 metres

I have a leaflet w docking stations on it, pm me if you want one
 
snowy_again said:
What makes you say that JWH?

Close up photos of the bikes:

http://www.bicycleimages.com/main/gallery.php?gid=77&page_num=2&sort_by=date&sort_order=ascending
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There's something really, really wrong about the way the LT roundel and the Barclays logo are combined together. Also the way the blue used for the bike scheme seems to have kind of co-opted the Barclays blue. I don't like it at all. The LT roundel and associated typefaces and so on are kind of sacred and stand for one of the world's greatest public tranport systems. It shouldn't be compromised like this. Would I be right to say it's unprecedented?
 
skyscraper101 said:
So can anyone answer how TFL will be deciding who is responsible for damage if you return a bike in a good condition, and then someone comes along and vandalises it?

Seems a bit unfair to charge it back to the last user. But how could it be proved either way? Who's going to be monitoring these things, and how regularly?
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No one. Think of it like a supermarket trolley with a £1 deposit slot. You're really having trouble with this whole concept . . . . :hmm:


More generally, I suppose radicals could spray over the Barclays logo in a pale blue, or otherwise deface it without ripping the whole thing off. Entire racks of them, late at night, even.
 
London_Calling said:
No one. Think of it like a supermarket trolley with a £1 deposit slot. You're really having trouble with this whole concept . . . . :hmm:


More generally, I suppose radicals could spray over the Barclays logo in a pale blue, or otherwise deface it without ripping the whole thing off. Entire racks of them, late at night, even.
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Yes but supermarket trolleys don't have registered users on a big database where they can find a defaced/damaged bike and then track it back to the last user.

I'm presuming that these bike docking stations do not have 24-7 attendees. So if you were to return a damaged bike, the only way for them to pay for repair would be to track it back to the last person who hired it.

BUT. If someone comes along to a docking station, damages a bike, and then walks off. How do they know it was not caused by the previous user?
 
skyscraper101 said:
Yes but supermarket trolleys don't have registered users on a big database where they can find a defaced/damaged bike and then track it back to the last user.

I'm presuming that these bike docking stations do not have 24-7 attendees. So if you were to return a damaged bike, the only way for them to pay for repair would be to track it back to the last person who hired it.

BUT. If someone comes along to a docking station, damages a bike, and then walks off. How do they know it was not caused by the previous user?
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If somebody vandalises a phone box does the last person who made a call from that phone box get charged?
 
toblerone3 said:
If somebody vandalises a phone box does the last person who made a call from that phone box get charged?
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No, not as far as I know. But the point of the bike deposit thing is that people who return damaged bikes get charged for the damage because they can track it back to the last user. What I want to know is how can they know for sure that a bike was damaged by the last user or just a random person in the street.

By the way, for the record, I'm not into damaging these things. I actually want the system to work. And despite my dislike of having a banking giant turn these into mobile adverts for themselves - I'm not advocating wrecking these bikes and causing it to fail.

However, I'm thinking ahead and I can just see a situation occurring (eg. May 1st protests or something) where obvious targets such as bank logos are fair game for getting vandalised. A rack of bikes with plastic 'Barclays' logos plastered on the back seems too obvious for that not to happen. So my genuine question is how would damage to these bikes be accounted for if it was carried out by some random ne'er do good while they were parked up?
 
teuchter said:
There's something really, really wrong about the way the LT roundel and the Barclays logo are combined together. Also the way the blue used for the bike scheme seems to have kind of co-opted the Barclays blue. I don't like it at all. The LT roundel and associated typefaces and so on are kind of sacred and stand for one of the world's greatest public tranport systems. It shouldn't be compromised like this. Would I be right to say it's unprecedented?
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Maybe it's just coincidence that their designers came up with something that looks like the LU logo.

yesyes.

No bikes at my docking station yet.
 
They were being delivered to one of the parking thingamy bobs just south of the Tate Modern this evening.

Ugly ugly ugly fuckers. Look real heavy too. But its a great idea, I can see myself using them from time to time in the coming years.
 
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