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hash tag said:
Gently nodding head?
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Uh, if it's based on that, I hope they have refined it properly. I can imagine several scenarios, from softly nodding in approval during a conversation with someone in the car or what someone is saying on the radio, to doing it in time to music, where tiredness will not be a factor.
 
T & P said:
Uh, if it's based on that, I hope they have refined it properly. I can imagine several scenarios, from softly nodding in approval during a conversation with someone in the car or what someone is saying on the radio, to doing it in time to music, where tiredness will not be a factor.
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It's not... Sunglasses, if you hadn't noticed, are not actually completely opaque. So presumably it's just a case of using a light source that isn't part of the visual spectrum, and isn't part of the spectrum generally blocked by sunglasses... Near infrared I expect. If you look around you can see posts complaining about it being too proactive. You can also find posts claiming it doesn't work with sunglasses, but its failure mode is to tell you you need to look at the road, so a case of either deactivate or it'll pull you over. I realise the BBC isn't great at fact-checking company claims or nuance, but if they've done 60 million miles accident free in the US, that's a pretty good indication that it works fine. Significantly better than normal actually I think, but I dunno whether you can get that from the data (e.g maybe that's just freeway miles etc).
 
hash tag said:
This seems crazy. A level 2/3 assisted driving car has been approved for use on "certain" but not all motorways. You will need to pay a monthly subscription for it, I assume to ford. If the car detects you nodding off you will be be alerted and made to put your hands back on the wheel. Failing that, it will bring you slowly to a halt. Even in the fast lane!
BBC News - Ford launches hands-free driving on UK motorways
www.bbc.co.uk

Ford launches hands-free driving on UK motorways

Government approves Ford's BlueCruise system to allow hands-off, eyes-on driving.
www.bbc.co.uk
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This is great for the motorist who likes to masturbate whilst easting a bacon roll, hurtling down the M5.
 
T & P said:
Can the sensors checking whether you've fallen asleep read through sunglasses? :hmm:
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I know that regular if small movements of the steering wheel or the lack of them can be taken as a driver nodding off. Indeed there have been projects to develop this as a dozing sensing device.
 
hash tag said:
But the Mustang allows you to drive hands free unless it detects you are dozing
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I realise you're responding to weltweit , but it allows you to drive hands free while your eyes are on the road. Well, pointed in the direction that the sensor assumes is the road.
 
Cid said:
It's not... Sunglasses, if you hadn't noticed, are not actually completely opaque. So presumably it's just a case of using a light source that isn't part of the visual spectrum, and isn't part of the spectrum generally blocked by sunglasses... Near infrared I expect. If you look around you can see posts complaining about it being too proactive. You can also find posts claiming it doesn't work with sunglasses, but its failure mode is to tell you you need to look at the road, so a case of either deactivate or it'll pull you over. I realise the BBC isn't great at fact-checking company claims or nuance, but if they've done 60 million miles accident free in the US, that's a pretty good indication that it works fine. Significantly better than normal actually I think, but I dunno whether you can get that from the data (e.g maybe that's just freeway miles etc).
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I think near IR will be blocked by most sunglasses.

This might sort it though:

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Cid said:
Nah, they don't afaik. And chatGPT agrees with me. You can undoubtedly buy them, but they're a specialist (or some form of loon) thing.
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I can check in a bit, but fair enough if you're sure. Relying on chatGPT's say-so seems a little iffy, though.
 
8ball said:
I can check in a bit, but fair enough if you're sure. Relying on chatGPT's say-so seems a little iffy, though.
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Well I did google around a bit too... e.g:

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Cid said:
Well I did google around a bit too... e.g:

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Just checked my sunglasses. Expensive polarised ones filtering less out than I would have expected (0.1ish at a guess, interpreting from about half perceived brightness - iffy measure but all I have), with the cheaper (and darker ones) doing close to bugger all.

Not ideal.

Edit: ignore any numbers I mentioned - seems eyes and ears don’t work too similarly re: wave amplitudes. Better to say the expensive sunnies blocked out “some” compared to the cheap ones’ “bugger all”.

Edit2: hearing in infrared is a very poor superpower
 
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"The origins of the group’s tactics are murky, but at some point it was discovered that placing a cone on the hood of a self-driving car puts it into panic mode, shutting down the $50,000 vehicle until a human employee can come in person to get it unstuck" 🤣
www.theguardian.com

The rebel group stopping self-driving cars in San Francisco – one cone at a time

The Safe Street Rebel group has waged a war against robotaxis in an effort to end vehicle dominance in the city and promote public transport
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 

Swiss Re (insurance company) says Waymo vehicles are already safer than human driven vehicles.

Only 3.8m miles driven fully autonomously so I'm not sure how statistically significant it is but zero bodily injuries compared to human drivers at a rate of 1.11 per million miles (or on average about 4 in the same time as the waymo vehicles).

Judged against the insurer's database so matched for zip codes this seems like the best data we've had so far, although I only have the article to go on.
 
I am not quite sure if it is correct even to say that autonomous cars are being taught to drift and do doughnuts but they are

newatlas.com

Inches apart: Self-driving cars master extreme sideways driving skills

Toyota and Stanford University have been pushing self-driving technology beyond the limits of traction for several years now, and they've now released video of two autonomous cars drifting in tandem, getting very sideways with extreme precision.
newatlas.com newatlas.com
 
Santino said:
Have you changed your view on anything since then? And, more excitingly, has the insurance industry changed its view?
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Yeah, definitely. I’ve learnt a hell of a lot about the functioning of intelligence (animal and human) since I confidently claimed 8 years ago that sufficient data could make up for a lack of meaning in the machine. I think I’ve pretty much switched 180 degrees on that now. You live and learn, at least sometimes. At least I didn’t invest all my money in it, along with everybody else’s too…
 
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