Yes - that’s the driver !
autonomous cars - the future of motoring is driverless
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Yes - that’s the driver !
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From today's paper
www.theguardian.com
How self-driving cars got stuck in the slow lane
The technology behind autonomous vehicles has proved devilishly hard to perfect. And progress hasn’t been helped by Tesla boss Elon Musk’s army of superfans
That’s really interesting and fits with my understanding of animal intelligence in general, and human intelligence in particular. It seems to me that attempts to create artificial versions of intelligence are not so much “miles off” as they are “travelling at 90 degrees to the direction they need to go in”. To get from A to B safely, you don’t need to have massive algorithmic capability, or a huge database of experience or incredible sensory equipment. What you need is intentionality. Even a lizard has this, let alone a human. It has a purpose for getting to B, and it has purpose to its actions that help guide it there. It is this purpose that lets it adapt from moment to moment what it is doing. A car has no purpose and this is exposed the moment something happens that doesn’t fit its programming.From today's paper
How self-driving cars got stuck in the slow lane
The technology behind autonomous vehicles has proved devilishly hard to perfect. And progress hasn’t been helped by Tesla boss Elon Musk’s army of superfans
The other thing that people have (don’t know about animals) is some kind of theory of mind that lets them read the intentionality of other creatures. The obstinate cow in the middle of the road that the article refers to — people have a sense of what a cow, at some level, wants. They will try to deal with it on that basis. A car knows nothing of wants.
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SF cops try to reprimend a driver for driving at night with the headlights turned off, but find nobody inside the autonomous car 
Self-driving car stopped by San Francisco police
Video shows how law enforcers are having to adapt to a new era of autonomous vehicles.
www.bbc.co.uk
SF cops try to reprimend a driver for driving at night with the headlights turned off, but find nobody inside the autonomous car
Self-driving car stopped by San Francisco police
Video shows how law enforcers are having to adapt to a new era of autonomous vehicles.www.bbc.co.uk
the story has a link to a youtube page called
Interacting with a Cruise Autonomous Vehicle: A Guide for First Responders
had quick glance at the video, rather dull. One thing it talks about is disabling the car by cutting the 12 volt battery cable under the bonnet and NOT the orange high voltage cable.
Seems a bit odd, perhaps its the cheapest option..
rally cars have got master power off switch in the cab, in this case the red swich near the gear stick. I wonder if that would help, I suspose the risk might be if the power off switch was activated by the passenger while the car was moving that might be bad.
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So where was it going?SF cops try to reprimend a driver for driving at night with the headlights turned off, but find nobody inside the autonomous car
Self-driving car stopped by San Francisco police
Video shows how law enforcers are having to adapt to a new era of autonomous vehicles.www.bbc.co.uk
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I noticed a similar problem on a gizmo-laden car I hired last month. My solution was just to peg the speed limiter at 22mph at all times when in urban areas. Freed me up to focus on spotting pedestrians, cyclists, idiot drivers, and the bus lane and box junction cameras, with the added bonus of annoying aspirant boy racers. Also had to bin off the lane control, which was simply annoying. The dash display was also similarly cluttered and nigh-on 'unscannable'.
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Surely you only take in relevant information, just like when you're looking out the windscreen...
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Why would you need a speed limit indicator on the dash? And that fucking ECO e-Pedal bollocks.
Can't you turn all that shit off?
Those speed limit things are often incorrect, especially when you've got something like a flyover or a local road that runs alongside a dual carriageway, or recently changed speed limit.
They're inaccurate enough to make them worse than nothing if you're relying on them not to lose your licence.
I rented a big fancy new BMW in Germany recently which would try and wrestle control of the steering wheel if you veered out of your lane. It struggled when we went over a lot of autobahn that had roadworks and temporary yellow lines to denote lanes which were offset from the usual white lines which were also in place.
They're inaccurate enough to make them worse than nothing if you're relying on them not to lose your licence.
I rented a big fancy new BMW in Germany recently which would try and wrestle control of the steering wheel if you veered out of your lane. It struggled when we went over a lot of autobahn that had roadworks and temporary yellow lines to denote lanes which were offset from the usual white lines which were also in place.
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For tens of years the auto industry has developed incrementally, with new technology appearing first on premium models and then some of that filtering down into more normal vehicles.
It is a big step to get electrification, and with the infrastructure also needing to be developed and installed counts I believe as a significant development in its own right.
Clever as the car companies are I don't think they can manage electrification and automated driving at the same time without there being various disasters along the way. For me electrification is a big step, important for climate change, and as such I would welcome affordable electric cars with good range if there was also the infrastructure.
I am in no hurry for autonomous vehicles.
It is a big step to get electrification, and with the infrastructure also needing to be developed and installed counts I believe as a significant development in its own right.
Clever as the car companies are I don't think they can manage electrification and automated driving at the same time without there being various disasters along the way. For me electrification is a big step, important for climate change, and as such I would welcome affordable electric cars with good range if there was also the infrastructure.
I am in no hurry for autonomous vehicles.
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Sorry to refer to a 4 year old book, but I have just started dipping into it and HF makes some great points ( its proving a great book, better than I thought).
The driver must control the car with the car assisting and not the other way around.
She also points out that all this modern tech is weakening the humans ability to control things...an example would be the ability to judge a space with so many parking aids....
hannahfry.co.uk
The driver must control the car with the car assisting and not the other way around.
She also points out that all this modern tech is weakening the humans ability to control things...an example would be the ability to judge a space with so many parking aids....
Hello World - Hannah Fry
It’s a book about how we’ve slowly handed over control to computers – how there are algorithms and artificial intelligence hiding behind almost every aspect of our modern lives – and what that means for our society. Cambridge Analytica might have made the most headlines, but these algorithms...
hannahfry.co.uk
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Autonomous taxis are up, running and taking paying passengers in San Fransisco
Take a ride around San Francisco in a driverless taxi
Driverless robo-taxis are being allowed on the city's streets at night for paying members of the public.
www.bbc.co.uk
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That way lies madness. Madness, I tell you!Autonomous taxis are up, running and taking paying passengers in San Fransisco
Take a ride around San Francisco in a driverless taxi
Driverless robo-taxis are being allowed on the city's streets at night for paying members of the public.www.bbc.co.uk
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To take out such a massive and during superbowl 
www.mirror.co.uk
Super Bowl commercial shows Elon Musk's Teslas crashing and 'killing children'
It is estimated that advertisers paid $7million (£5.81million) for 30-second commercial to be aired during tonight's Super Bowl, according to statista.com
www.mirror.co.uk
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I didn't know this could be a thing yet
www.theguardian.com
Remote driving from overseas faces ban in England and Wales
Delivery of rental cars using remote driving could be outlawed after Law Commission recommendations
In the wrong hands someone could do some serious damage with a car they drive remotely. Like a bomb in the boot. Or just mowing down a crowd.I didn't know this could be a thing yet
Remote driving from overseas faces ban in England and Wales
Delivery of rental cars using remote driving could be outlawed after Law Commission recommendations
“It was hacked”
Exactly. Some Russian agent more down an enemy of Putin in London and says it was someone else doing it.
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A big move
www.theguardian.com
Self-driving buses to serve route in Scotland in ‘world first’
Buses will carry passengers over Forth Road Bridge from May with a safety driver and ‘bus captain’ onboard
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Quite remarkable that driverless vehicles appear to have more staff than regular driven vehicles… (edit: yes I realise it says this in the article, but it’s a v valid point)
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This seems crazy. A level 2/3 assisted driving car has been approved for use on "certain" but not all motorways. You will need to pay a monthly subscription for it, I assume to ford. If the car detects you nodding off you will be be alerted and made to put your hands back on the wheel. Failing that, it will bring you slowly to a halt. Even in the fast lane!
BBC News - Ford launches hands-free driving on UK motorways
BBC News - Ford launches hands-free driving on UK motorways
Ford launches hands-free driving on UK motorways
Government approves Ford's BlueCruise system to allow hands-off, eyes-on driving.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Can the sensors checking whether you've fallen asleep read through sunglasses?This seems crazy. A level 2/3 assisted driving car has been approved for use on "certain" but not all motorways. You will need to pay a monthly subscription for it, I assume to ford. If the car detects you nodding off you will be be alerted and made to put your hands back on the wheel. Failing that, it will bring you slowly to a halt. Even in the fast lane!
BBC News - Ford launches hands-free driving on UK motorways
Ford launches hands-free driving on UK motorways
Government approves Ford's BlueCruise system to allow hands-off, eyes-on driving.www.bbc.co.uk
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Gently nodding head?Can the sensors checking whether you've fallen asleep read through sunglasses?
