Automated Tube Trains? Poll

[andysays]

...Now why don't you fuck off down the shops and buy yourself an ounce of self-awareness?

I think you'll find that even self-awareness shops are compelled to sell their products in metric quantities these days. One ounce equals 28.3495 grams, so assuming it comes pre-packaged rather than loose, I guess Bungle is looking at a 30 gram pack of self-awareness.

 

[mauvais]

You wouldn't want, presumably, to travel on a 747 to New York or even the 37 to Putney Heath without someone at the front

The former is viable and it won't be long until the latter is too, so I'm not sure how well your point holds.

I never said it would be easy. The point was that other systems have managed it, so the 'it'll never happen' stuff based around safety principles, imagine being stuck in a tunnel, etc etc, is not valid. Cost and system complexity are reasons why it might take a long time.

 

[tim]

The former is viable and it won't be long until the latter is too, so I'm not sure how well your point holds.

I never said it would be easy. The point was that other systems have managed it, so the 'it'll never happen' stuff based around safety principles, imagine being stuck in a tunnel, etc etc, is not valid. Cost and system complexity are reasons why it might take a long time.

What would be the advantage of unstaffed trains? Do you imagine that it would hugely reduce the costs?

 

[mauvais]

What would be the advantage of unstaffed trains? Do you imagine that it would hugely reduce the costs?

I'm no expert but I think it'd increase predictability of service - not necessarily just by removing the meat component itself, but through having integrated all the other enhancements that it would require - which in turn would hugely reduce the costs across the system. Provided automation works sufficiently well, human interference costs money.

 

[tony heath]

The former is viable and it won't be long until the latter is too

When it's deemed safe enough to operate transport services without drivers and when proper and essential new roles are created for the drivers I can see no problem, the thing is drivers don't want to be on workfare at Subway, they want jobs for life and prospects for the youngsters.

 

[tim]

I'm no expert but I think it'd increase predictability of service - not necessarily just by removing the meat component itself, but through having integrated all the other enhancements that it would require - which in turn would hugely reduce the costs across the system. Provided automation works sufficiently well, human interference costs money.

Automation is happening anyway, but that doesn't mean that you don't have trained staff on board to deal with all the things that can and do go wrong; as I intimated earlier autopilot hasn't done away with the need for a team of pilots on planes. Train drivers are brain as well as "meat" and brains still deal better with the unpredictable that algorithms.

 

[mauvais]

When it's deemed safe enough to operate transport services without drivers and when proper and essential new roles are created for the drivers I can see no problem, the thing is drivers don't want to be on workfare at Subway, they want jobs for life and prospects for the youngsters.

The employment element shouldn't be a barrier to embracing progress. Do you mourn the loss of the man with the red flag in front of the car? Proactive job creation should be happening anyway, and isn't linked to whether or not you need to run a zoo for otherwise redundant train drivers.

 

[davesgcr]

Strange - how the "automated" trial train on the NY Subway around 1960 was mysteriously destroyed by fire one night , and the project abandoned - this was the Times Square - Grand Central "S" shuttle - the most boring and repetitive job in the railway world - brakes off , open control handle for about 45 seconds , shut off , coast , brake - stop - remove switch key and master control key ,walk to other cab - key in , repeat - for about 60 round trips. Hardly the most satisfying job in the world.......some things are better automated.

 

[mauvais]

Automation is happening anyway, but that doesn't mean that you don't have trained staff on board to deal with all the things that can and do go wrong; as I intimated earlier autopilot hasn't done away with the need for a team of pilots on planes. Train drivers are brain as well as "meat" and brains still deal better with the unpredictable that algorithms.

I favour human pilots on planes more than some, but if you were to look at it coldly and dispassionately, human pilots kill many more people than the computers.

The joke is that in the future, planes will be crewed by one pilot and a dog.

 

[tony heath]

The employment element shouldn't be a barrier to embracing progress. Do you mourn the loss of the man with the red flag in front of the car? Proactive job creation should be happening anyway, and isn't linked to whether or not you need to run a zoo for otherwise redundant train drivers.

If the drivers lose their jobs instead of being offered new essential roles in an improved transport initiative it will be a great loss.

 

[tim]

I favour human pilots on planes more than some, but if you were to look at it coldly and dispassionately, human pilots kill many more people than the computers.

The joke is that in the future, planes will be crewed by one pilot and a dog.

The real joke is that driverless trains is a Tory slogan used to signal that they can stand up to the RMT and the late Bob Crowe. It has no real meaning because unstaffed trains are a no-brainer. The DLR can't operate without a well-paid captain however automated it may be and this is no less true of the far more tube.

 

[mauvais]

The real joke is that driverless trains is a Tory slogan used to signal that they can stand up to the RMT and the late Bob Crowe. It has no real meaning because unstaffed trains are a no-brainer. The DLR can't operate without a well-paid captain however automated it may be and this is no less true of the far more tube.

Then the DLR implementation - or potentially whatever wider system it integrates into - is crap. In engineering terms it's not that difficult a problem to solve. If it can be realistically done for passenger cars, in probably the most ill-defined, dangerous and unregulated environment in the entirety of transport, it can be done for a train on rails. Whether there's a will to do it is another matter.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

 

[ViolentPanda]

Sooo...you consider your roll in life to be to roam internet forums hurling abuse at anyone who says anything all which you take exeption to, no matter what has been said to that person previously? You need help.

And you are such a liar. All you've been doing for past several months is leaping into any thread where I am in a confrontation with someone and start hurling abuse at me, no matter the context, and what has been said previously and by whom. Like I said, pathetic.

And like I said, you're so self-righteous and self-obsessed that you believe that you're worth me wasting my energy following you around looking for chances to confront you. That's what is commonly known as a delusion of grandeur. Face the facts - you're barely worth a piss drip, let alone worth someone wasting time supposedly cyberstalking you for even two minutes a week.
You're...well, you're not even worth using even a half-arsed insult on.

 

[Dr_Herbz]

You're...well, you're not even worth using even a half-arsed insult on.

What sort of a half-arsed insult is that?

 

[lizzieloo]

*thumbs*

 

[Bungle73]

And like I said, you're so self-righteous and self-obsessed that you believe that you're worth me wasting my energy following you around looking for chances to confront you. That's what is commonly known as a delusion of grandeur. Face the facts - you're barely worth a piss drip, let alone worth someone wasting time supposedly cyberstalking you for even two minutes a week.
You're...well, you're not even worth using even a half-arsed insult on.

And yet you've posted nine posts in this thread solely consisting of your usual pathetic bile, and which nothing have to do with its actual topic. You have also have restarted the conflict for no reason other than, as far as I can see, you just can't help yourself.

I really do suggest you seek some kind of help, as this kind of behaviour is far from normal.

 

[lizzieloo]

Dog in a bag ^^^^^

 

[ViolentPanda]

And yet you've posted nine posts in this thread solely consisting of your usual pathetic bile, and which nothing have to do with its actual topic. You have also have restarted the conflict for no reason other than, as far as I can see, you just can't help yourself.

I really do suggest you seek some kind of help, as this kind of behaviour is far from normal.

It's always hilarious to get psycho-analysed by someone who doesn't have the first idea of what they are doing. Try turning your analysis inward, and it might give you a clue as to why you feel the need to chuck your feces at anyone (not just me) that contradicts you.

 

[ViolentPanda]

What sort of a half-arsed insult is that?

One that shows Bungle his true value?

 

[Bungle73]

Iand it might give you a clue as to why you feel the need to chuck your feces at anyone (not just me) that contradicts you.

That's rich coming from you. You really are a seriously deluded person. You are also obsessed with abusing me. From now on I will be ignoring you as you are very, very annoying, and tbh I have grown a strong dislike of you.

So feel free to continue disrupting this thread (until a mod intervenes), but don't expect any replies from me.

 

[SikhWarrioR]

That's rich coming from you. You really are a seriously deluded person. You are also obsessed with abusing me. From now on I will be ignoring you as you are very, very annoying, and tbh I have grown a strong dislike of you.

So feel free to continue disrupting this thread (until a mod intervenes), but don't expect any replies from me.

You said that to me bungle gonna keep your word this time

 

[Belushi]

Just put everyone on ignore Bungle :thumbs :

 

[ViolentPanda]

I think you'll find that even self-awareness shops are compelled to sell their products in metric quantities these days. One ounce equals 28.3495 grams, so assuming it comes pre-packaged rather than loose, I guess Bungle is looking at a 30 gram pack of self-awareness.

Damn Eurocrats!

 

[ViolentPanda]

Strange - how the "automated" trial train on the NY Subway around 1960 was mysteriously destroyed by fire one night , and the project abandoned - this was the Times Square - Grand Central "S" shuttle - the most boring and repetitive job in the railway world - brakes off , open control handle for about 45 seconds , shut off , coast , brake - stop - remove switch key and master control key ,walk to other cab - key in , repeat - for about 60 round trips. Hardly the most satisfying job in the world.......some things are better automated.

TBF, there's always the occasional odd-bod who likes a boring and repetitive job.
(((((odd-bods)))))

 

[andysays]

Damn Eurocrats!

SI units correctness gone mad!!!1!

<Stands on white cliffs of Dover and shakes fist at Europe>

 

[ViolentPanda]

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*thumbs*

That dog is very obviously looking at the photographer and thinking "if that cunt laughs, I'm going to bite his bollocks!".

 

[ViolentPanda]

Just put everyone on ignore Bungle :thumbs :

I don't "do" putting posters on ignore. I do hope that Bungle has kept his word and complained to the mods about me. That'll be interesting, and at the very least allow him to whine about moderator bias again.

 

[lizzieloo]

wrong thread

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Just put everyone on ignore Bungle :thumbs :

Works for 5t3IIa