Lol. You really are stupid. Of course I want lower fares, I spend nearly 7 quid a day on commuting which is ridiculous as it's all off peak. I'm just not thick enough to think that automation of the trains would lead to a decrease in fares. Where has anyone suggested that it might?
You shouldn't be paying "4 quid". You only pay that if you paying cash; you shouldn't be paying cash.
Um, the LU does not have shareholders.
Looking at it from the other angle, what's the point of 'automatic train operation' if you've still got a driver there? I agree with the reasons for them being there, just don't understand why you'd make it automatic if you've still got someone on the train and/or in the cab. Do they have to get on with office work when they're not driving?
Computers are better at it. If you want to run 36 trains an hour without them running into each other (as is planned for the Northern Line), you have to let a computer do the driving.Looking at it from the other angle, what's the point of 'automatic train operation' if you've still got a driver there? I agree with the reasons for them being there, just don't understand why you'd make it automatic if you've still got someone on the train and/or in the cab. Do they have to get on with office work when they're not driving?
I do that too. If the driver seat's taken I sit behind and seethe at whoever's sitting there.Aren't a lot of tube trains driverless already? I was often the driver on the DLR*
*yeah, yeah, not the tube
Fair enough
Victoria, Jubilee, Central and Northern are now all automated.
Doesn't that go back to the history of the two systems, and what's possible in the context of the way they've been developed? Might have your implication wrong, but just because it works in Paris doesn't mean it's going to work in London.
Not enormously, no. Lots of the infrastructure for that line is new, so it's not a fair comparison with retro-fitting, but then London has many of the same features on some lines - for example, no passenger access to the track thanks to automated platform doors.
Yes hence me mentioning it.
Highly unlikely. The timescale for introducing these news trains is so far into the future that they can accomodate the change (if it happens) within natural staff turnover. Only the Picadilly Line will get the new trains to start with, while all the other lines (which still require Train Drivers) will have their workload increased as the resignalling projects take full effect. The number of Train Driver jobs should remain more or less constant, with the addition of Screen Watching And Emergency Evacuation Superviser jobs for the new trains, if that is the operational model they go with. By the time they get round to replacing the Bakerloo Line trains, the rate of retirement can be matched to the rate of implementing the new trains.
Um, don't tell me to "grow up" you condescending fuck. What is this thread about? That's right, the LU which doesn't have any shareholders. So why mention something that has zero relevance to the discussion. I think it is you that needs to "grow up".
Where in my post did I mention LUL bungle you are losing it already ps see bit where i mention I did nearly 30 years on LUL though i see you are showing your usual irrationality when posting on threads that you clearly know nothing about or are unable to listen to other poster's point of view ie anything about Railways please stick to whinging about what you are good about fare dodging and leave railways to the grown upsUm, don't tell me to "grow up" you condescending fuck. What is this thread about? That's right, the LU which doesn't have any shareholders. So why mention something that has zero relevance to the discussion. I think it is you that needs to "grow up".
