Monkeygrinder's Organ
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Which they wouldn't, I don't think. They'll know that a Saturday crowd will hold up pretty well regardless - their cut isn't likely to be higher from a slightly higher gate at half price.
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Which they wouldn't, I don't think. They'll know that a Saturday crowd will hold up pretty well regardless - their cut isn't likely to be higher from a slightly higher gate at half price.
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Compare and contrast with last season's Senior Cup game:
Wonder own goal sees Hamlet take out Thamesmead Town in London Senior Cup tie
*last night's photos coming soon
Wonder own goal sees Hamlet take out Thamesmead Town in London Senior Cup tie
*last night's photos coming soon
League cup games happen on Tuesday as well though, so presumably the same logic applies as with the LSC
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
You're right - I was thinking of next week's game but that's FA Trophy isn't it? I lose track of all the cup competitions.
It's still a pretty hard sell for the away team though.
pompeydunc
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But League Cup is not a Saturday. Seems a sensible proposition if Faversham Town agree to it for 1 December. Last night's attendance was over triple the equivalent game from last season, so we have evidence to show Faversham the affect that it might have on the crowd.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Seems it was half price last year as well though: Dulwich Hamlet v Thamesmead - London Senior Cup 7th Oct.
Pink Panther
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Personally I wouldn't have gone if was a tenner. I just think that's too much for a competition where we always rest a few players and were playing a county league side. The way I look at it, my season ticket is an annual donation to the club, and having spent that £160 or whatever home league games after that are 'free', and I'll just buy programmes, drink in the bar etc.
But whilst the attendance may have been lower with full price charged, it wouldn't have been that much lower, so the club must have sacrificed at least a small amount of gate money by making this goodwill gesture.
Reading the match programme there wre some interesting fixtures in the 'It all happened on 3 November' feature, which looks back at past matches taking place on the same day. These included the infamous London Senior Cup defeat to South Kilburn, a second division (step 6) county league side who beat us 2-1 aet at Champion Hill six years earlier to the day, when we fielded waht looks like something close to our full first team of teh time. That was Gavin Rose's first season as Hamlet manager. The attendance was just 58. This week's London Senior Cup attendance of 314 is higher than ANY home game in any competition at Champion Hill that season. The highest was just 278 against Chatham, boosted by the ceremony to name the main stand 'The Tommy Jover Stand', and the league average for that season was just 180, the lowest on record for a season at Champion Hill. (It was lower in 1991/2 when we shared at Tooting's old Sandy Lane ground during the redeveleopment of Champion Hill.)
vornstyle76
Dundela FC, Transpontine Diaspora Brigade
There's an infuriated rival team's fan on twitter demanding to know, "where were you all when you were shit?" I know this is a boringly predictable tactic employed by football fans to challenge the realness of a successful team, but it got me thinking.
- It's as if we're Manchester United with their 700 million global potential consumers rather than an Isthmian League club who, like all others, needs numbers through the gate to bolster future survival. The rival club in question (you'll never guess who!) have their own existential struggles on the horizon - an extra few hundred inauthentic fans would help them enormously.
- And it willfully misses the point that there's a symbiotic relationship between growing crowds and getting better on the pitch, financially, psychologically, culturally even. The crowds started rising before the late 2011 promotion push, for example.
- It's as if we're Manchester United with their 700 million global potential consumers rather than an Isthmian League club who, like all others, needs numbers through the gate to bolster future survival. The rival club in question (you'll never guess who!) have their own existential struggles on the horizon - an extra few hundred inauthentic fans would help them enormously.
- And it willfully misses the point that there's a symbiotic relationship between growing crowds and getting better on the pitch, financially, psychologically, culturally even. The crowds started rising before the late 2011 promotion push, for example.
They always have an odd grip on reality. They were asking the same question when they finished above us in the league.
EDC
A Slightly Less Invisible Cyber Fan These Days
So Dulwich Hamlet are getting the Chelsea treatment, double bubble for me then! Of course for the latter I can proudly reply, "We were here, there, every fucking where, where were you?"
Just out of interest...which fan is moaning from what club?
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
Not so much a fan as a being of pure integrity. The living embodiment of an ancient tradition going back thousands of years.
And Kingstonian, I think.
And Kingstonian, I think.
EDC
A Slightly Less Invisible Cyber Fan These Days
Even half a dozen miles across London? That's me fucked from supporting Chelsea since I moved from Fulham thirty odd tears ago.
vornstyle76
Dundela FC, Transpontine Diaspora Brigade
The fascinating thing about the often criticised relocation and supporting a newly local club thing is that it was pretty fundamental to the formation of association football as a weekly mass spectator sport. Football clubs offered displaced workers in growing industrial cities ways to re-identify themselves as part of their new area. It's part of the history of the sport.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
It seems to me that the amount of (almost quasi-religious) rhetoric around what being a football fan means has decreased as the experience has become less localised for most people.
Actually, I am not religious at all...but I do worship at Champion Hill, Dulwich Hamlet being my religion of choice. And, genuinely, when people pray to their 'god', whatever faith that may be, as a non-believer, I offer words of thanks/call for personal strength to my 'higher power' whatever that be, and substitute 'Edgar' for 'god'.
PartisanDulwich
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attendance V VCD in FA Trophy 14/11/2015 was 795- surely the highest for any Dulwich Hamlet Trophy games since the 1950's ??
Not sure about the 50s, as we didn't enter the Trophy until the mid 1970s (we were in the FA Amateur Cup before then). We actually had a couple of runs to the later rounds in the early 1980s and if my memory is still intact, I am pretty sure we had a couple of 1000+ gates during those runs, especially for a replay against Boston Utd and a draw with Northwich Victoria.
These games were at the old Champion Hill, so yesterday's attendance may be a Trophy high for the current ground.
PartisanDulwich
Well-Known Member
18th March 1980 FA Trophy
Dulwich Hamlet V Boston United attendance 1059
Dulwich Hamlet V Boston United attendance 1059
Yes, that was huge crowd back then. It was a quarter final replay, we lost one nil...they brought a couple of hundred down, including two coach loads. The closest we've ever got to Wembley in the Trophy.
In those days there was no 'north & south' divisions at step five. This was only the second year of the Alliance Premier League (now National League National) & we'd beaten another Alliance side, Bath City, away from home in the previous round.
In the first game at Boston United we took two coaches, and got a police escort after the game, such was the 'welcome' from the locals!
On the night of the replay the weather was bad, yet somehow our game was on. A coachload of Dagenham fans arrived, as their game at the thugs & muggers had been called off at late notice. They parked with the Boston coaches, on the side street on the estate, at the bottom of the hill.
After the match the Boston coaches were attacked, and some windows put in. These were by the 'estate boys', who weren't Dulwich regulars... but (allegedly
) one young Hamlet fan, who still goes to games to this day, wasn't not involved in attacking the Boston buses. He deliberately targeted the Dagenham supporters' coach; after the Dulwich Hamlet supporters coach had had a window smashed at an Isthmian League Cup quarter final match three seasons earlier. Apparently, he has been heard to say since, this was his 'virgin' bricking of a coach...The Boston fans chased our locals into the estate, whereupon they dashed up into the blocks, leaving the Boston fans down in the square, on the estate, as dustbins and bags of rubbish rained down on them, making them beat a hasty retreat.
It's worth noting that, despite this being a time when hooliganism was rife in the Football League, incidents such as these were VERY RARE at our level.
... but (allegedly
I trust the appropriate authorities at the club have been informed. Our community lead in particular would be shocked at any regular attendee having engaged in such activity...
I have no idea about any 'statute of limitations' but we are talking about something that happened over 35 years ago!
And my memory does fade a little, I'm not entirely sure how accurate my recollections really are...
Also, as a you are someone who goes to church...I'm wondering if you've ever heard the phrase...'he who is without sin...'
And my memory does fade a little, I'm not entirely sure how accurate my recollections really are...
Also, as a you are someone who goes to church...I'm wondering if you've ever heard the phrase...'he who is without sin...'
I may not have been *entirely* serious...I have no idea about any 'statute of limitations' but we are talking about something that happened over 35 years ago!
And my memory does fade a little, I'm not entirely sure how accurate my recollections really are...
Also, as a you are someone who goes to church...I'm wondering if you've ever heard the phrase...'he who is without sin...'
Yes, I realised...I never take practising christians seriously...
PartisanDulwich
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The Dulwich Hamlet V Boston game should be written up
important part of history
important part of history
