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how hard do you try to be this scummy?l
 
Hello from Athens, as I am still around the city center, in Exarchia.

I will update you about the demo for Kuneba, in Pireaus today. The antifa demo did not really happen as not a lot of us turned up, and it was extremely difficult to approach Rigilis str because of heavy police presence. In Rigilis str there are a number of embassies as well as the main offices of the political party New Democracy, our current right wing government, therefore the whole area is heavily policed anyway. The fascists, members of Xrisi Avgi ultra right group, did their gathering, being protected and surrounded by police, and they then left the area. About 200 of them was present, mixed with plain clothes police ... The fact that the antifa gathering was not decided at any assembly but it was a call from the Saint Pauli Athens club, was the main problem as a lot of people did not actually learn about it up to very late. Also for today there was the demo for Kuneba, a demo that happened in big rainfall, and also a call for a live concert at a specific park in Athens, therefore the most of us we were split in a lot of places around....

Having all these in mind, I believe that the demo in solidarity to Kuneba was not bad. I estimate that about 800 of us were present, not bad for Pireaus and in such bad weather conditions. We started from the tube station towards the Town Theater, stopping in the meantime outside the OIKOMET building, where red paint was thrown against the building and some policemen there. OIKOMET is the company that Konstantina Kuneba was working for. We continued passing from various streets of Pireaus, and down to Pasalimani. We continued from there towards Evagelistria, where the demo was over.

Our block was not that organized, but was not needed as there was no threat at any point. A lot of black and red flags in the demo, and a lot of chanting. Various slogans were sprayed on walls, CCTV cameras and bank cash machines were smashed and a number of leaflets was given out to people. As I said the demo was not threatened at any point, riot police existed but was mostly moving from nearby alleys and not on the demo. Only at a point close to the end they got left and right and narrowed the area, but that was all. Good job of the people that was at the end of the demo, that protected the block in such a way that the police was not possible to get close enough from the back. It was a bit funny to look at a lot of the police, as they were all red because of the red paint that was thrown to them earlier.

some chants:

KONSTANTINA YOU ARE NOT ALONE, BOSSES PIGS CRIMINALS

SOLIDARITY IS THE GUN OF THE PEOPLE, WAR AGAINST THE BOSSES' WAR

ACID AGAINST THE EYES AND BULLETS AGAINST BODIES, WE LIVE WAR EVERY DAY HERE

THE COPS ARE NOT WORKERS' KIDS, THEY ARE THE DOGS OF THE BOSSES.


some photos:

http://athens.indymedia.org/front.php3?lang=el&article_id=982178

http://athens.indymedia.org/front.php3?lang=el&article_id=982061
 
how hard do you try to be this scummy?l

The first thing I should mention is you seem to have misquoted my post.

Can you answer my question as to why the anarchists don't stand in elections to gain the power/system of government they feel their country needs?
 
After all the country does have elections but i suspect these rioting idiots just dislike that their countrymen voted a conservative into power.
Clearly they made a mistake that must be corrected by burning down banks.


http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2007/09/greek-election-results.html
The BBC has a prettily coloured chart to show the way the parties have taken their seats. New Democracy has 152, the Socialist Pasok 102 and the three smaller parties have gained support. The two Communist parties, KKE and Syriza will have 22 and 14 seats respectively with the right-wing nationalist Laos holding 10 seats. This is the first time a far-right party has entered parliament since the ending of military rule ended in 1974.

Don't see much support for anarchism there, do you?
As I said before the rioters are just a bunch of unelectable cretins out to grab power for themselves.
 
WTF? what has KKE and Syriza got to do with anarchism ??? What are anarchists, stalinists (KKE) or left wing reformists?

Anarchists to "stand up for elections" :rolleyes: :eek:

lol mate your knowledge of politics is pretty fucked up :p

And NO I am not going to get in your trick and derail this thread with a load of bollocks just because you like to post here inflamatory stupid posts. If you want to find out why "anarchists dont stand up for elections" or any other of your pathetic questions on this topic, well read a bit about anarchism, there is a hudge number of books out there but also links on the web, and if you actually understand anything come back and ask again ....

This is the last time I respond to any of your comments on here, NONE of them have been on topic at least anyway, you are only calling me a cunt etc on a number of occassions, you are even such a cretin to call a little cunt and a flasher etc a DEAD PERSON. You know it is easy to say whatever for someone who is dead, as he cannot respond back and defend himself, but it is completely immoral to say the least.
 
This message is hidden because derf is on your ignore list.

:hmm:





I find this ^^^ function useful Dimitris.

Cheers for the updates mate, hope you are keeping safe and stuff :)
 
WTF? what has KKE and Syriza got to do with anarchism ??? What are anarchists, stalinists (KKE) or left wing reformists?

Anarchists to "stand up for elections" :rolleyes: :eek:

lol mate your knowledge of politics is pretty fucked up :p you are only calling me a cunt etc on a number of occassions, you are even such a cretin to call a little cunt and a flasher etc a DEAD PERSON. You know it is easy to say whatever for someone who is dead, as he cannot respond back and defend himself, but it is completely immoral to say the least.

So the kid was a flasher. It's a fact admitted by all so no need to get all shirty about it. That is unless you have another term suitable for someone who waves his cock about in public.

The point of the poll results was to dem the lack of real support for all extreme groups. I neglected to highlight the far right party who made a showing in the results.
As for anarchists and elections. It's hardy a shock that they don't believe in them. After all they would get fuck all support anyway so 'direct action' (burning, looting and generally smashing things up) is their only hope.

Now I assume that you will agree most people don't want an anarchist state so why do you want to impose your minority ideals on the rest of the world.
(The fact that they voted in an election for any party gives that away.)

In violence you even break the principles of anarchism that was started as a peaceful movement with non violence at it's core.

Go to some remote uninhabited island somewhere and enjoy your own version of what is good but don't fuck up the lives of normal people that just want to get on with things in a manner they are happy with.
You see that's the key to life. It really has sod all to do with politics but lots to do with being happy. If you take that away from someone you violate their most basic right.
Who really gives a shit if the state is a bit bent as long as they can take care of their families and lead a safe and peaceful life?
 
I did not mention this incident on that day, as it was not really relevant with Alexis murder, but of course the police reaction and the actions of the mayor of Athens are relevant in a way, as this event again shows how this regime and this system in Greece works. BTW the mayor of Athens, mr Kaklamanis, is also supported by New Democracy, the right wing government.

Teacher Dude's report (28th January) of the resistance to the cutting down on the orders of Athens mayor Nikitis Kaklamanis of 45 trees to make way for a car park:

http://www.nowpublic.com/environment/athens-residents-clash-riot-police-over-park

The tvxs footage is very interesting too:

http://www.tvxs.gr/v4034

This is the park that they want to destroy:

parko_kiprou_kai_patisiwn.bmp


It is an area of about 2500 square meters, in the center of Athens, and it is one of the few green areas remaining in all city center. The current mayor has given the park area to a company that will make an underground car park. On the top they initially wanted to make a cafeteria, but after a big number of objections over the last couple of years, only last week they changed their initial plans and now say that they will have grass there instead (over the car park). Even with grass, the rate of biomass per cement in the area gets decreased even further. The trees that they cut down are nearly 100 years old, and of course cannot be replaced.

The Forestry Department has officially denied the application of the mayor to cut down the trees as you can see here

This did not stop him though, so the city workers on 5 o clock in the morning went there and started cutting down the trees. The reaction of the citizens of the area was quick, a number of people came down the street in order to protect the park, and you can see what happened on the video that you posted. Clashes against the police took place all day near the park and on the surrounding streets, with the police attacking 7 times throughout the day, in order to empty the park area.

The park, the former park in order to be more accurate, is full of people since that day, guarding it on a 24 hours basis. The concert at a specific park that was postponed yesterday (as I mentioned on my yesterday's post here) was about to take place exactly there.

On the link that you posted you can also read the following

http://www.nowpublic.com/environment/athens-residents-clash-riot-police-over-park said:
Yesterday evening protesters planted 45 sapling to replace the pine trees cut down during the day. Work resumed early this morning however, stopped after two hours amidst protests. Unconfirmed reports talk of the presence of members of Greece's ultra-right Chrysi Aygi party taking part in clashes with protesters early this morning, resulting in three residents including local council member, Kostas Lagos pressing charges after being assaulted.

I can confirm that this DID happen, next morning. To be more accurate I can confirm that a group of thugs was there, some of them skinheads, who attacked the gathered citizens. Of course they did not show any "Chrysi Aygi membership cards" :)p) so officially we cannot claim that they were, but we know anyway.

Edited to add:

Today an event was organised and took place at the former park. There people of all ages gathered, listened to music and planted new trees, some small but also some big ones. A bicycle demo also took place.

A video can be seen here: http://www.tvxs.gr/v4421
 
Also something different.... It is not related to Alexandros but it is one more uprising of greeks, mostly because of the current problems with the economic crisis...

The greek farmers are taking action during the last days. More than 3000 tractors, in all over Greece, are blocking the National Motorway at various junctions, but also other main roads of Greece. At the area of Tempi, a bit north of Larisa, about 1500 tractors have blocked the Athens - Thessaloniki national motorway, and the only way to go is from other small roads and routes that exist in the area. On other occasions, the railway has also been blocked, and the farmers in Crete are also occupying the local airport!

Farmers blocking the streets is not something new in Greece, the difference now with the events of the 90s, is that it seems that the farmers are not that much controlled any more from the "traditional" syndicalists and the various farmer syndicalist groups that exist.

The current economic crisis has created big problems to the farmers as the prices but also the demand of various agricultural products have dropped significantly. Wheat is now not being sold at all, and its price is around 0.18 cent per Kg, instead of 0.50 that was last year this time, maize price is about 0.09 cent, and there is basically no demand at all, cotton is also experiencing similar problems with its price in the range of 0.25 cent per Kg... Onions are having similar problems, with a price of 0.15 cent per Kg, and a cost of production of 0.20 cent per Kg minimum. There is also no demand at all for olive oil, and its price has dropped around 2 euro per litre ...

An addition to all the above is the increasing production costs, especially the ones of 2008. Fertilizer prices increased by 120%, you all know about diesel prices and how high they were last year, the government also decided to cut cheap diesel for farmers (they were getting it in half price up to now) and is giving them a small compentation instead, which is really nothing... EU subsidies do exist, they help a bit but not really solve the problem, as the expenses are so hudge that this money is just not enough...

On top of all, the Agricultural Bank of Greece, is not giving that many loans for farming any more, in fear of not being paid back by the farmers ...

Therefore they demand:

* No interest loan for all farmers, up to 500 euro per hectare
* A minimum price for all agricultural products to be introduced
* Access to cheap diesel as it used to happen
* Governmental control of the fertilizer companies and the big multi nationals, because of the hudge increases on fertilizer and agrochemical prizes
* Increase of VAT return fund

An update of the farmers movement here in Greece:

The most roadblocks still existed up to the weekend. Generally in whole Greece, more than 36 roadblocks existed with the farmers blocking the national motorway but also other junctions. Some are still blocking the borders with Bulgaria as we speak.

Since Friday, and during the weekend, the most farmers decided to leave the road blocks. The government has introduced a 500 million euro compensation scheme, that will give to all farmers of Greece. The way that this money will be given out though, and how much money each farmer will get it is still a problem, as there are different crops in different areas and the needs are different. Therefore, a lot of farmers especially of the north but also in Crete, are not satisfied with this compensation scheme and are continuing their movement. Especially in Crete the main problem is that the most farmers are cultivating in greenhouses and a compensation per hectare will give them nothing, as the cultivated area is smaller but more intensive. From the road blocks in central Greece the last farmers departed today, but the block at the borders with Bulgaria still stands.

The Crete farmers, decided to demonstrate today in Athens, outside the ministry of Agriculture with their tractors. The government denied this and called that demo illegal. The Crete farmers though did get on the ship yesterday and this morning about 1000 farmers with tractors and other vehicles flooded the Pireaus port. RIOT police (MAT) was there blocking the way of the farmers in order not to let them to get out of the port. Trouble started when some of the farmers tried to break the police block with their tractors, and the police responded with chemicals, stud grenades and beating against the farmers. The farmers responded with potatoes, oranges and other fruit and veg against the police, but also with their flags. Some of them managed to break the police lines and got outside the port blocking the road but they were pushed back by police. The police has blocked the road completely outside the port resulting to a traffic chaos at the whole area. At least 4 farmers are arrested, and some others are injured and were transfered to the hospital. A 68 year old man, farmer, fainted because of the chemicals and is still in Hospital.

Some MPs from opposition parties who where also there got hit, one MP of the socialist democrat party PASOK, is also in hospital injured on her leg.

Some policemen have also minor injuries and got transport to the 401 Military Hospital.

The government told the farmers to transfer them with buses outside the Ministry of Agriculture and let them gather and demonstrate there, but without their tractors. The farmers denied, they stay at the port, they demand their collegues to be released and to demonstrate WITH their tractors in Athens.

Back in Crete, the farmers remaining there are furious. Demos in Iraklion and Chania, have been organized for today, and the municipality building in Iraklion is now occupied by farmers. Other farmers in Chania have also occupied the Economic Department Building there. A farmer's assembly will take place in Crete, and it seems that more farmers with tractors are going to depart from Crete tonight, in order to reinforce their collegues in Pireaus port tomorrow morning.

The farmers at the road block at the borders with Bulgaria, when they heard the news, they blocked again the border passing completely (they were letting some trucks to pass before) in solidarity to their collegues that got hit in Athens.

A small video with the clashes at Pireaus port can be seen here :
http://www.zougla.gr/news.php?id=22494

A LIVE camera that shows what is happening at the port now can be seen here:
http://www.zougla.gr/news.php?id=18054

I checked about 10 mins ago, the farmers were there quiet, having cretan traditional music on speakers.

An another live camera that shows the area outside the Ministry of Agriculture can be seen here:
http://www.zougla.gr/news.php?id=18452

The situation there is quiet, police exists as well as plain clothes police that patrols the area.

Representatives of the government and the Ministry of Agriculture are now going to the port in order to speak with the farmers.

I will update you with any news.

Eddited to add that a solidarity demo for the farmers has been arranged today at 17:00 at Pireaus, starting from the tube station outside the port.

A solidarity concert with cretan traditionall music and cretan food is also organized for tonight in the port outside the ship that goes to Crete.
 
NOW. Riots outside the Athens Town Hall. There was a demo today about the park in Pattision str that was destroyed by the Mayor.

LIVE cam here : http://www.zougla.gr/news.php?id=18305

Edited in order to update you a bit more:

Today the Town Council is meeting in order to discuss about the park and the whole situation. Meanwhile the citizens of Kyspeli, the area of Athens where the park is, were demonstrating outside the Town Hall. Everything started when some demonstrators left from the demo and tried to get in the Town Hall from the back door. The Police immediatelly attacked the demo using chemicals and grenades. There was a clash against the police at the back road of the Town Hall (where the back door is) and the demonstrators then went on the main road where the rest of the demo was. One person got injured on his head and was transfered to a hospital by other demonstrators.

The police regrouped and attacked the main part of the demo, pushing them backwards, and some to the square outside the Town Hall. People of all ages even kids were on the demo when the police attacked. At least 3 people got injured by the attack, one because a grenade exploded on his chest. The police then pulled back and regrouped, and are now on the square. Demonstrators are still on the main road and some on the square as well.

Inside the Town Hall the city council was underway. The vice mayor talked about "ecofascism" and noted that the placards that the demonstrators were holding are also from paper therefore trees have been destroyed in order to be made.... Now council members of the opposition are taking the stand.
 
After some telephone conversations that I had, I will give you a better update of what exactly happened at the Town Hall, because I was judging only on what I was seeing on the live cam.

According to the law, Town Hall council meetings should always be open to people. Therefore the decision of the citizens of Kypseli was to demonstrate outside the Town Hall and some of them who represent the citizens and are members of the park citizens assembly that has been introduced, to enter the Town Hall in order to attend the city council.

When the demo reached outside the Town Hall, they learned that on the council are only allowed people who have the appropriate permition, but no public. The citizen representatives managed to get hold of a permition and wanted to enter the Town Hall. The front door of the Town Hall was blocked though, and RIOT police was inside !!. They therefore decided to go and enter from the back door. When reaching there, the back door was also closed by the police and locked. The representatives together with other demonstrators managed to break the door lock and enter the Town Hall ground floor. There INSIDE the building the police started hitting them and sprayed them with foam from the fire extinguishers that existed there. They pushed the people back at the entrance of the Town Hall and there they threw grenades ON the gathered people. As a result, one person's clothes got fire and two more were injured because of the explotion. The injured are now in hospital and are passing from surgery.

The police then attacked the people outside the back of the Town Hall, and all the rest that I described you on the previous post. What I did not know before is what happened inside the Town Hall and who wanted to enter the building.

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Also some news about the farmers.

Here is a photo from earlier in the morning
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You can clearly see a cop hitting this farmer with the BACK of his club.

In Crete all farmers are furious, but not only. For tomorrow a general strike in Crete has been announced, schools, shops and public services will not work, demonstrating against the police brutality of the cretan farmers at Pireaus port. More farmers from Crete have decided to get on the ship and go to Athens disobeying the authorities who warn them that the demo in Athens is illegal and they should not attend. The ministry of marine affairs has asked from the ship companies not to travel from Crete to Athens tonight. One company ANEK lines has officially decided not to do the trip but we still dont know what Minoan Lines has decided. If both companies decide not to travel to Athens, it therefore means that all ship communications from Crete to Athens will stop.

The gathered farmers at the municipality building at Iraklio in Crete though demand that the ship should travel to Athens otherwise they will BURN THE BUILDING. This is not just a crazy threat but it could possibly happen as it has happened again on a similar occassion on 1991 when the farmers completely burned the building. Some of the farmers that were on that occupation on 1991 are again there today ...

They also demand:

* The 2 arrested farmers to be released
* The farmers in Athens to demonstrate WITH their tractors in Athens outside the Ministry of Agriculture
* The farmer representatives who are now at the port of Pireaus, to have a meeting with the minister of Agriculture and the minister of Economic Affairs

THEY ASK FOR ALL WORKERS FARMERS AND PEOPLE TO SHOW THEIR SUPPORT AND SOLIDARITY TO THEIR STRUGGLE.
 
on a very different tone from today's demos and clashes with the police

I've just come back from an assembly of artists and people in general with artistic inclinations at the occupied Opera in Athens (the blog for this occupation : http://apeleftheromenilyriki.blogspot.com/ ) .
The gathering was called in order for people in the arts (professionals, or not) to start organizing the next step from the Uprising of December, what we can contribute from now on to the movement that we do not want to let die.
The first step is to find a permanent space for artistic expression (in all fields) that is "extrovert", meaning it is in connection and in communication with what is happening in our city. There was talk of this space to be also a place where free lessons to be given to immigrants, young people, or other parts of our community. It was the second assembly so things are still in the beginning, but the feeling was very good and everyone seemed very eager to participate and contribute. There is going to be a thorough search for different spaces that we intend to occupy and the plan is that it should be something on a long term basis. There was also talk about contributing with some event at the "occupation" of the destroyed park in Patissiou and Kiprou street for either this Friday or during the weekend.
This kind of assembly will be on a regular basis every week at the Polytechnic, since the occupation of the Opera house we do not know for how long it will hold.
People will stay in touch by e-mails, phones or through the blog of the artists (and those who do not want to be labelled as such- there was a long discussion about this... ) about any actions or changes of the venue.

It was a very good gathering -at least 300 people- and more than that, there was a very positive feeling about this effort to contribute from our fields to the movement that started in December.
The occupied building of the opera house is in perfect condition-no damages- and the dancers are still able to rehearse for the upcoming shows.

* from someone at the assembly I heard that during the classes with the police today (for the park) 2 people got injured (broken hand and leg, but it is just hearsay)

So Obviously we are still in the beginning
and most definitely
NOTHING IS OVER !!
 
Update from the town hall :

On this video you can see what I described you above : http://www.tvxs.gr/v4459

First the gathering of the people on the square opposite the Town Hall, then some of them going on the back and finally breaking the door that the police locked. You then see the police attacking the gathered people there, you can see the noize grenades they threw and the one injured man on his chest. The camera man is outside the Town Hall very close to the door but we cannot see what happened INSIDE the Town Hall, with the police emptying fire extinguishers on the people.

The gathered people are then going back on the street where the square is, and there you see the second attack mainly in order to arrest a man that was shouting at them a bit earlier..

The gathering continued until rather late, although after all this a big number of demonstrators left.

Inside the Town Hall, at the city council, the opposition clearly stated that the whole situation is not legal, the trees were cut without permition, the people are not let to get in the council although they have the right to. All the council members from the opposition left the council disaprooving the Mayor's methods, stating that the Mayor should either change his politics or resign.

The City council ended with the Mayor saying that the developments will go ahead, that he believes that only a minority of the people of Athens disaprooves the cut down of the trees and that he is going to run for Mayor and on the next elections.

The 3 injured got to the hospital, finally 1 went to surgery for an operation on his leg. There were fears that the surgeon had to cut his leg because of the damage on it but it was finally prevented as he managed to operate on it. One of the injured who is a journalist for the TV channel ALTER has problems with his ear, as one grenade exploded next to him. As far as I know, the other man that was injured on his chest (the one that you see on the video as well) is OK and is out of the hospital.

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Also an update about the farmers.

The 2 arrested farmers are now released and they are free of any charges. The farmers at the port had a meeting with the vice ministers of Agriculture and of Economic Affairs. The only thing that the ministers told them was that they could decrease the ELGA tax for the greenhouse producers from 4% that is now, down to 0.5%. This was not really approved by the farmers as the ELGA tax is not that big anyway so the reduction is nearly nothing, and because the ELGA tax is the money that are gathered in order compensations to be given to farmers if they have problems with their crops because of adverse weather conditions. A decrease of the ELGA tax now, could possibly mean that if a problem exists next year (with hailstorm for example) then ELGA will not have the appropriate funds in order to compensate the farmers.

The vice minister of Economic Affairs also told them that if they want only 10 farmers with their tractors can go to demonstrate outside the Ministry of Agricultural Affairs.

Finally the farmers on their assembly rejected everything and decided to stay at the port, still demanding to demonstrate in Athens and meet the Minister of Agriculture, as well as the minister of Economic Affairs. They say that the ministry is telling them nothing about the income loss that they have from their potatoes, vegetable and grape production that they did not manage to sell. They also demand RIOT police to leave from the port and take responsibility to guard their people so no violent incidents to happen.

Solidarity demos took place in Crete at Chania, Iraklio and Rethymno and tomorrow nearly everything in Crete will stop as the whole island is on strike. At the port as we speak, about 300 people from left movements are there, in solidarity with the farmers. Earlier cretan musicians that are staying in Athens went to the port and played traditional cretan music for the gathered farmers.

All ship communications with Crete have been cut off, as all the companies were not allowed to depart from Crete to Pireaus, so the farmers in Crete that wanted to come to Athens as well are not able to.

The General Workers Syndicate in Athens, has issued an announcement in solidarity with the farmers of Crete.

On this link you can see 10 photos from this morning at the port : http://www.cosmo.gr/News/Hellas/229384.html Just click on the thubnails the photos appear on a pop-up and you can click on "next" from there.
 
Update of the cretan farmer movement.

Finally more farmers from Crete came to Athens today, as a ship traveled. About 100 farmers with their tractors arrived from Crete at the port. The ship after unloading the passengers left immediately as the captain got afraid that the gathered farmers (more than 1000) would take over the ship.

At about 9:30 this morning clashes with the police started again. Police was throwing chemicals to the farmers who responded with potatoes, vegetables and beer bottles. Finally when these new clashes finished the farmers decided not to demonstrate in Athens, in fear that they would get beaten up again, and asked for the ministry politicians to come to the port and discuss.

On about 11:00 on the morning though, clashes with the police started again as the police tried to surround the gathered farmers. The cops started spraying again repeatedly, trying to push back the farmers. On the same time, the president of the socialdemocrat party PASOK, Mr G Papandreou, together with other officialls appears at the port in between the chemicals and the beatings, in order to talk with the farmers.... The clashes soon stop and Papandreou blamed the government for this treatment to the farmers, and said that he is on their side.

On about 14:00 the farmers after an assembly that they did, they decided and asked from the cops to leave from the port. As they said, they demanded from the police to leave and they reassured the police that they would then organize themselves and get on the ship back to Crete. Finally after a lot of negotiations on about 14:40 the cops are starting to leave from the port. Meanwhile politicians from the communist and other left parties went to the port in order to discuss with the farmers.

http://www.zougla.gr/news.php?id=22709

Here you can see a video of todays clashes.
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There was a new attack today against a police department.

On 4:15 this morning, 3 or 4 men appeared outside the police department of Koridallos (suburb of Athens) and started shooting against the walls of the department and the one cop that was there as a guard. The cop quickly managed to hide and avoid the bullets who all entered on the wall of the police department. The gunmen also threw an assault grenade at the police department, which never exploded. They then run away from the area.

Later one man called a specific newspaper and said that the group "Revolutionary Struggle" claims responsibility for the attack. If this phone call is genuine this is the same group as the one that injured the cop at Exarchia on January but also fired against a police bus on December.

This is all we really know up to now, the journalists are coming up again with hundreds of theories and senarios, and various information from "confidential sources" therefore for now I am stating you the fact as it is and I am not going to comment any further on this.

A few info for you about this group here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Struggle
 
Another shooting from the police this time outside the US ambassador's house

translating some info from zougla.gr site : http://www.zougla.gr/news.php?id=22868

...just after 12.00 noon, shots were heard outside the house of the American ambassador Daniel Speckhard at Mavili square... at the time the house was full of people since the ambassador was having a "working-lunch"

The 38-year-old police officer who was working as a guard at the ambassador's house shot twice with his 32 calibre(?) official gun against the unfortunate special guard ,(name of the guard),a private guard working for a security company who just happened to be walking on the pavement (outside the ambassador's house).
The private guard who was also working as security for the ambassador's house fell bleeding on the ground. Doctors and nurses from a private clinic nearby came to the site immediately and provided first aid.(unlike Alexis' case when they refused to help from a different private clinic, and when the ambulance took at least 10 minutes to reach the murder site) After a few minutes an ambulance transfered the unfortunate man to the Marine Hospital where he underwent surgical cleansing of the wound.
His condition is stable and in the next few hours he will go into for surgery to remove the bullet.

Now the very "interesting" bit about this event.

..."The police officer on duty outside the ambassador's house (the shooter) had for quite some time problems with mental health issues ...and was taking medication... his problems were so serious... that his parents were forced to keep him company while he was on duty...Also in the past he had threatened some of his co-workers... and there were reports that he was threatening other officers with his gun...

I am not going to translate everything from the site, because it is not a very unbiased site, but the information about the event and the police officer is very likely correct.
My comment : Is the reform of the Greek police enough ? Somehow I think it is very unlikely, this kind of incidents are too often and go back a long time. Who is going to reform the Police -even if they attempt such a thing- this government ?.... The previous and/or the next one in line for the seat? ... It's just impossible to expect anything from either of them when they made the police the way it's been for years.

Anyway I thought this incident was relevant to the thread and the state of the police in Greece that shoots people every month or so ...

a link about this from CNN : http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/02/04/greece.embassy.shooting/index.html
 
There was a new attack today against a police department.

On 4:15 this morning, 3 or 4 men appeared outside the police department of Koridallos (suburb of Athens) and started shooting against the walls of the department and the one cop that was there as a guard. The cop quickly managed to hide and avoid the bullets who all entered on the wall of the police department. The gunmen also threw an assault grenade at the police department, which never exploded. They then run away from the area.

So attempted murder is fine is it?

I do hope the cops manage to shoot and kill these daft fuckers before they manage to murder a cop or just some poor sod who happens to be walking past at the time.
Yes, I do mean it. Silly bastards firing weapons in a street. They deserve a bullet. :mad:
 
So attempted murder is fine is it?

I do hope the cops manage to shoot and kill these daft fuckers before they manage to murder a cop or just some poor sod who happens to be walking past at the time.
Yes, I do mean it. Silly bastards firing weapons in a street. They deserve a bullet. :mad:

I did not see you commenting this though :

translating some info from zougla.gr site : http://www.zougla.gr/news.php?id=22868

...just after 12.00 noon, shots were heard outside the house of the American ambassador Daniel Speckhard at Mavili square... at the time the house was full of people since the ambassador was having a "working-lunch"

The 38-year-old police officer who was working as a guard at the ambassador's house shot twice with his 32 calibre(?) official gun against the unfortunate special guard ,(name of the guard),a private guard working for a security company who just happened to be walking on the pavement (outside the ambassador's house).
The private guard who was also working as security for the ambassador's house fell bleeding on the ground. Doctors and nurses from a private clinic nearby came to the site immediately and provided first aid.(unlike Alexis' case when they refused to help from a different private clinic, and when the ambulance took at least 10 minutes to reach the murder site) After a few minutes an ambulance transfered the unfortunate man to the Marine Hospital where he underwent surgical cleansing of the wound.
His condition is stable and in the next few hours he will go into for surgery to remove the bullet.

Now the very "interesting" bit about this event.

..."The police officer on duty outside the ambassador's house (the shooter) had for quite some time problems with mental health issues ...and was taking medication... his problems were so serious... that his parents were forced to keep him company while he was on duty...Also in the past he had threatened some of his co-workers... and there were reports that he was threatening other officers with his gun...

I am not going to translate everything from the site, because it is not a very unbiased site, but the information about the event and the police officer is very likely correct.
My comment : Is the reform of the Greek police enough ? Somehow I think it is very unlikely, this kind of incidents are too often and go back a long time. Who is going to reform the Police -even if they attempt such a thing- this government ?.... The previous and/or the next one on line for the seat? ... It's just impossible to expect anything from either of them when they made the police the way it's been for years.

Anyway I thought this incident was relevant to the thread and the state of the police in Greece that shoots people every month or so ...

a link about this from CNN : http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/02/04/greece.embassy.shooting/index.html

Does the following sentence apply for him as well ??

Yes, I do mean it. Silly bastards firing weapons in a street. They deserve a bullet. :mad:
 
Sadly my home connection is too slow to read the link so I'll have to do so when I have chance at the new internet cafe.

I'll comment on that when I have read more. Until then I have a question for you.
Do you agree with shooting at the cops and trying to kill them?
 
I have tried not to comment a lot on this shooting, as I did not on the two previous occassions, as the information that comes out are mostly from police sources and there are a lot of investigations going on, but I will honestly try to answer to you derf.

After the shooting of Alexis Grigoropoulos by the police, we witnessed a big public uprising of the greek youth, students and workers against the police and the state. Depending on the person, someone expresses his anger in various ways. Therefore there were people who were silently protesting in front of police lines, with candles and giving flowers to the cops, other who were throwing red paint on the cops, others who were throwing stones and others who were throwing petrol bombs. It seems that there are also some, that prefer other ways of action, and get their guns and shoot against random policemen, in a similar way lets say as the cop randomly killed Alexis.

On both communiques that these groups issued (finally the second attack is not from Revolutionary Struggle but an another group called Revolutionary Secta) they say that they are armed rebelion groups and with their actions they want to stimulate the people to start an armed movement against the state.

I do not disagree with armed struggle. I believe that if we really want to smash this state, armed struggle will be necessary at a point. But not now and not in this manner. Armed struggle will actually achieve something when the people will get on the streets with their guns in order to fight against this state. Then actions against the police, the army and the state will be actions that are backed up by a big public movement demanding a change. Now the only thing that these actions really achieve is to multiply police aggression, and we have witnessed that during the last weeks. I do not really believe that an armed group, hitting randomly cops will actually manage to get public acceptance and support. Attacking against a single policeman, who may have done nothing wrong, cannot really be taken as a symbolic attack against the police in general.

There are other actions that these groups could do and get much more public acceptance than these attacks, but really I will not go on talking about that on a public forum...
 
I do not disagree with armed struggle. I believe that if we really want to smash this state, armed struggle will be necessary at a point.

There are other actions that these groups could do and get much more public acceptance than these attacks, but really I will not go on talking about that on a public forum...

Interesting post.
At least you agree that not all police are fascist bastards just because the wear a uniform. I have a great dislike of all dehumanising terms regardless of the group they are directed at.

I'll agree with you that shooting Alexis may have been wrong but I want to see the outcome of a trial first. I have no objections to street protests as long as they are non violent. As for equating shooting random cops and shooting Alexis, lets find out more about why he was shot first.
I understand he was in an area known for attacks on the police and was being very provocative. Maybe the cop had genuine reason to be afraid and maybe it wasn't a direct shot as witnesses claim but evidence disputes.

When it comes to armed struggle I have to disagree 100%.
Your country now has free and fair elections so if the majority want to get rid of a government it can be done.
In an armed conflict you will always get civillian casualties and the misery generally assosiated with war on any level. That does no one any favours as we saw in Gaza.
If you agree with armed stuggle how do you tell the victims it's all for them?
In an armed conflict how do you gauge public opinion?
It may be true that thousands turned out on dems but what percentage of the population is that. If there were 50,000 involved that's only about 0.5% of the population. Hardly a "a big public movement demanding a change" and not a true reflection of how many would actually support a war.

The next is about what you would replace society with. I have been doing a little reading on anarchy and believe that it's basic principles are in error.
It all seems to be based around the good of people in general.
I don't believe it's a workable model as there is always someone who will exploit a revolution for their own ends as we have seen in all revolutions in the past. Unless you can give me any example of a people's revolution that actually produced a society where they were happier or better off in a social sense than before.
It strikes me that all the revolutions we have seen involved mass bloodshed in the course of the revolution, an enemy to blame that must be purged and general povery coupled with misery for the population held down by fear of the state.
Why do you think that your revolution would be any different?
 
A short update about our Greek Uprising

A short update about some things happening in Athens and Greece , Yes we are still alive and still kicking !!

1)Assembly , Athens , Tuesday 10th of February
12:00 noon
called from Anarchists/ Anti-authoritarians/ organized by A/a inside and outside schools & universities
Location : Propilea

"The struggle for Social Liberation Continues.
The Insurrection is Alive. Nothing stays as it was before...
Solidarity, one of our weapons !
Immediate Release and dropping of the all charges of the arrested during the insurrection..."

2)Assembly ,Athens, Tue 10/2/09, 18.00 pm
called by the initiative of students of the architect department and working architects
Location : Gini Building, Polytechnic (Patision)

3)Open Assembly
at Zografou (suburb of Athens close to the main University's site)
Tue 10/2/09, 19.00 pm
from the former occupiers of the anti-info cafe's assembly
at the University grounds (Oulof Palme street)
Discussion about future actions

4)Open Assembly
Athens, Tue, 10/2/09, 19.00 pm, at Strefis Hill
called by the free lyricists (former occupiers of the Lyric Opera Theatre occupation that lasted 9 days !!)
The former occupation of the Lyric Opera Theatre calls at the first "stray" open assembly for detailed report on what's happened and the "composition" of the 4th act...

some photos and videos from the events during the occupation of the Lyric Opera Theatre from here : http://apeleftheromenilyriki.blogspot.com/ (more photos and videos after the middle of the page) and from here : http://katalipsiesiea.blogspot.com/

5)Open Assembly of workers & students in the media
EMME building Kalamiotou st, Tue, 10/02/09, 20.00pm
called by the assembly of the workers and students in the media

6)Open Assembly
Athens- Nosostros, Tue, 10/2/09, 20.00 pm
called by AK (Anti-authoritarian Movement of Athens)

7)Event about the free school Paideia in Merida of Spain
Athens, Tue, 10/2/09, 21.00 pm

Translated articles, screenings

8)Screening about the struggle for Parnitha
Athens, Tue, 10/2/09, 21.00 pm
called by the open assembly of Strefi's hill
Location : The (former) Park at Kiprou & Patission st

These are just for tomorrow and just for Athens
In other parts of Greece there are events continuing the spirit of December. One example is the "React Festival" organized by students who have been occupying their uni and demonstrated against the murder of Alexis and everything else that happened in all kinds of ways since December the 6th. One of their pages (in Greek) is this : http://www.myspace.com/react_festival
They are organizing a 3 day art festival (13,14,15 of Feb)in Ermoupolis of
Siros
This is just a very short update about what's happening still in Greece, and it shows that WE ARE JUST IN THE BEGINNING... THE SPIRIT OF DECEMBER IS VERY MUCH ALIVE AND ALWAYS KICKING...
 
videos from street happenings


This is in front of the destroyed park in Patissiou & Kiprou str




This one is from Patissiou street again, the group of dancers were from the Occupied Lyric Opera Theatre (that lasted 9 days!) and were taking part in the events for saving the park. At the end of the video part of the demo is coming to join them.



And more ballet dancing outside the Occupied Lyric Opera Theatre in Akadimias street, one of the busiest streets in Athens-not that day ;)
 
A commemorative plaque at the murder site

http://new.enet.gr/?i=news.el.article&id=18314 (photo)

A commemorative plaque was fixed on a wall by his mother at the place where Alexandros Grigoropoulos was murdered.
It says :

"Here, on the 6th of December 2008 for no reason died the childlike smile of the innocent 15-year-old Alexandros Grigoropoulos by the bullets of unrepentant murderers."

These few words together with a photograph of Alexis his mother wanted to put up on a wall at Messologiou street, the site at which the murder that took place there shook Greece -and other places- in December.

At the same time the judicial board was refusing requests for bail by the lawyer of the special guards ... who will remain at the prison of Domokos(close to Lamia)
(translation from Eleutherotypia-Greek Newspaper)
 
So the kid was a flasher. It's a fact admitted by all so no need to get all shirty about it. That is unless you have another term suitable for someone who waves his cock about in public.

The point of the poll results was to dem the lack of real support for all extreme groups. I neglected to highlight the far right party who made a showing in the results.
As for anarchists and elections. It's hardy a shock that they don't believe in them. After all they would get fuck all support anyway so 'direct action' (burning, looting and generally smashing things up) is their only hope.

Now I assume that you will agree most people don't want an anarchist state so why do you want to impose your minority ideals on the rest of the world.
(The fact that they voted in an election for any party gives that away.)

In violence you even break the principles of anarchism that was started as a peaceful movement with non violence at it's core.

Go to some remote uninhabited island somewhere and enjoy your own version of what is good but don't fuck up the lives of normal people that just want to get on with things in a manner they are happy with.
You see that's the key to life. It really has sod all to do with politics but lots to do with being happy. If you take that away from someone you violate their most basic right.
Who really gives a shit if the state is a bit bent as long as they can take care of their families and lead a safe and peaceful life?

From all the reports i have read about the killing of Alexis, it was the Policeman who waved his cock about, not the young boy.
 
CONSTANTINA IS NOT ALONE

19th of February demo at 6 pm starting from Propylaia (center of Athens) heading towards the Parliament.

19 March - Demand for a GENERAL STRIKE

The physical and ethical perpetrators of this attack to be revealed and punished

Slave selling companies must close now

No rented workers

The anti workers attack should stop


On the 22nd of December, Constantina Kuneba, secretary of the Athens Assembly of Cleaning workers (PEKOP) was attacked by thugs with acid. She is still in hospital in serious condition with serious damages on her face and permanent problems on her organs (she was also forced to drink acid), also with one blind eye.

Constantina is a mother of a teenager, worker - syndicalist and immigrant. This attempt to murder her is the revenge for her struggle to defend the worker rights of her collegues. Together with PEKOP they revealed the brutality of the employment medieval years that we are living: Illegal payment cuts on workers, no break - no timeschedule work, sacks that get named as "withdrawals" so no compentation given, no social insurance, threats and terrorism ... All these with the tolerance of the Employment Centers, who find these companies "legal" when investigating, and the formal syndicalist bodies who do nothing.

The Workers Assembly Initiative for Solidarity to Constantina Kuneba, together with PEKOP and other worker collectives, have managed to draw public attention to this matter. They have organized a number of movements in order these inhuman work conditions to stop. They have pushed the Employment Centers to do investigations correctly, to listen to the workers and not just fill in paperwork, with results as the one in Pireaus on 21st of January, when the work conditions of the cleaning staff at the HSAP building got investigated and a number of workers' rights breaches got noted. The cleaning staff there are employed by the OIKOMET company, the same that Constantina was working for. The illegal actions that got noted on that investigation, proove that the government was lying when they were saying that the company was checked and no problems were reported... All the hospitals and public services, should present to PEKOP the contracts that they sign with the cleaning companies, in order all the inhuman working conditions of the cleaning staf to be uncovered.

The workers Movement should struggle against this modern slavery. All syndicalist bodies, workers assemblies, workers of all Greece should all try to make 19th of March a General Strike Day.
 
Hi Dimitri,

Just a question - this story has dropped of the news over here, so I was just wondering what the overall feeling is in Greece and whether anger/tensions countrywide are still as they were when this all started?

Any thoughts on future events?
 
I was in Athens last week, on Akadimias where I understand a lot of the rioting took place. It all seemed calm, although there was quite a lot of police kitted out in riot gear keping watch in certain areas.
 
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